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EngineerJoe: Aug 8, 2004; -=whore=-

They also have demonstrator models for that very reason.

# ? Sep 2, 2019 22:52

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# ? Jun 7, 2024 12:09

Wistful of Dollars: Aug 25, 2009

Maxime Bernier calls teen climate activist ‘mentally unstable’

Because of course he did.

# ? Sep 3, 2019 14:55

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

Bigoted man who believes climate change is a myth: "Someone else has brain problems"

# ? Sep 3, 2019 15:12

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

This is a fascinating battle between two propaganda narratives. The event at the centre of this is the labour day parade in Hamilton, where Trudeau was confronted by protesters. First let's see how a typical liberal sympathetic paper describes the event. Pay close attention to the details:

quote:

Hecklers halt Justin Trudeau as Federal party leaders woo Hamilton on Labour Day
Trudeau, Singh march in annual parade; Scheer at Ticats game

07:20 AM by Carmela Fragomeni The Hamilton Spectator

Hamilton was courted by all three federal party leaders on Labour Day as they gear up for the national election scheduled for this fall.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh both marched in the annual Labour Day Parade on Monday, while Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer attended the Labour Day Classic football game for a time at Tim Hortons Field.

With the election so close (it's scheduled for Oct. 21, but has yet to be officially called) the presence of such prominent suitors demonstrates the importance of Hamilton's four electoral ridings � two of which are currently Liberal and two are NDP.

Trudeau was to start the march alongside Seniors Minister Filomena Tassi, Liberal MP for Hamilton West-Ancaster-Dundas, and the Laborers' International Union of North America (LIUNA) that invited him to participate.

But they were blocked by a small group of protesters led by Marxists and anarchists shouting slogans and obscenities at the prime minister.

The 10 to 20 protesters were opposed to all recent leaders, shouting "Harper, Trudeau, Scheer. Same s--t, different year."

They forcefully stood in the path of LIUNA supporters, and after an impasse of about 45 minutes, Trudeau appeared to leave the parade. But he joined the union group again about a block later.

The protesters caught up with Trudeau again at Bayfront Park where the parade ended and he continued greeting people. The protesters doggedly followed him until he left.

Prior to that, Trudeau got a warm reception during a walkabout on Stuart Street before the parade � despite some people holding placards displaying various grievances against him.

Many in the crowd of mostly union workers and their children � as well as spectators along the parade route �were delighted the prime minister stopped to shake their hands and have his picture taken with them.

A number of selfies and group shots were taken with Trudeau, and at least one person asked for and got his autograph.

Anthony Primerano, with LIUNA., said while everyone has the right to protest, he believes Labour Day was the wrong day to do it because "it is a day to celebrate labour's achievements in this country.

"It's wonderful the PM was here."

At the labour picnic at Bayfront Park after the parade, Hamilton Centre NDP federal candidate Matthew Green, however, said in an interview that "Justin Trudeau is no friend of labour," given his record on steelworkers' pension cuts.

Earlier, NDP leader Singh was warmly greeted when he addressed the crowd at the park.

He spoke about several issues the Liberals have neglected or failed at, and vowed to correct them.

Both Singh and Trudeau were clearly in election mode.

Tassi said she was happy the PM chose to come to Hamilton on a day celebrating labour "and the hard work men and women across the country engage in."

"My guess is he had invitations from across the country and he chose to come to Hamilton. That is really special to Hamiltonians ..."

Earlier, The Spectator obtained an email from Hamilton and District Labour Council president Anthony Marco to area labour leaders saying that since "these are public streets," they couldn't stop the PM from participating in the parade, but "there was no possible way" he would be allowed to speak at the picnic afterward.

After the parade, Janet Creet, with Unifor Local 707 representing Ford workers, said this is the first year in the seven that she has marched in the parade that there's been an issue with protesters.

She was glad to see Trudeau, saying: "It's nice to see him take part in issues pertaining to the labour class."

Anarchist Woody Boychuk however, said he felt the protest was "a roaring success" because "we were able to throw out the leader. There's a lot of broken promises he hasn't lived up to."

But on the street, Hamilton resident Paula Greenly and her nephew Cody Greenly, visiting from Halifax, were excitedly talking about Trudeau's presence.

"Why would he come to Hamilton?" said Cody. "I was shocked to see him here. I just never thought he'd come down to a Labour Day Parade. It was pretty awesome."

His aunt Paula wasn't happy with the protesters.

"Sometimes, he (Trudeau) doesn't do good for Canada, but it still isn't appropriate for protesters to swear like that, especially when there are children around.

"Some people might not appreciate him being here, but that's their opinion. It's not everyone's."

Interesting details here:

-it was a very small group of protesters / hecklers (don't call them activists!)
-selected quotes convey the message that real locals and people from actual unions were very happy to have Trudeau there, only NDP partisans, anarchists and marxists were opposed
-the people happy to see Trudeau were all there with family members
-heavy emphasis on how exciting for Hamilton it is that Trudeau would visit
-LIUNA wanted Trudeau there
-Even when it appeared that Trudeau had left he actually returned a block later and finished the parade

Practically every adjective chosen, every quote provided and every anecdote describes works to create a picture of a nice family event in which a rather vague and clearly anti-establishment group of anarchists and Marxists who will protest just about anything showed up and screaming obscenities, something that normally never happens and which likely indicates they were outsiders and not real members of the local community.

Now look at how the same event is reported on in noted right-wing rag the Post Millenial:

quote:

Canadian News

BREAKING: Trudeau flees Labour Day parade march after path blocked by indigenous protestors
Cosmin Dzsurdzsa, 11 hours ago 2 min read

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was whisked away from a Labour Day parade in Hamilton earlier this afternoon after encountering a group of indigenous protestors.

Trudeau was marching alongside the Liuna Local 837 union section of the march.

�It looks like Trudeau is trying to evade accountability on his promise to Grassy Narrows, a key test of his commitment to build a new relationship with First Nations and the environment,� said activist group Free Grassy Narrows when contacted by The Post Millennial.

Sorry I missed this, it sounds like fun. Trudeau tried to march in the Hamilton Labour Day Parade. Protesters stopped him. #TrudeauMustGo pic.twitter.com/23CcmR7vYb

� Sly Woof (@SlysPet) September 2, 2019
The protestors blocked the path of the parade in which Trudeau was marching preventing it from proceeding any further.

According to sources, they took issue with Trudeau�s presence in the parade.

Among those present were Indigenous rights activists holding signs that read �Justice for Grassy Narrows.� Grassy Narrows is an Indigenous community that has no access to clean drinking water.

�We want to remind Trudeau not to forget his promise to people suffering from mercury poisoning in Grassy Narrows. Act now to help Grassy Narrows while it is in your power,� said Free Grassy Narrows.

�The Trudeau government has failed to deliver on his promise to Grassy Narrows. People suffering from mercury poisoning have seen no improvement in their lives and Trudeau refuses to even visit them. Time is running out for Trudeau to show that he really cares.�

Other signs included a banner that read �No mercury!�

https://twitter.com/FreeGrassy/status/1168543395658289152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

While Trudeau was mingling with a crowd of supporters, a large number of protestors turned out to boo the prime minister and chant �Hey hey! Ho ho! Justin Trudeau�s got to go!�

Several protestors present were from the Socialist Fightback Club, a left-wing student movement.

The march continued after the prime minister had left.

Interesting differences:

-Suddenly the protesters were indignenous. There's no mention of anarchists or socialists!
-They're not just protesters they're activists!
-Said activists get quoted extensively and the content of their banners is also accurately described
-No mention of swear words, a much more neutral chant is quoted
-In this version Trudeau doesn't choose to leave the parade, he is "whisked away", and he doesn't come back at the end. Very weak!
-in this version it is a "large number of protesters" rather than 10-20 Marxists and anarchists
-other than being indigenous, the politics of the protest is de-emphasized to make it more sympathetic to the Post Millenial's audience. This is particularly funny if you know anything about Fightback, calling them a "left-wing student movement" rather understates the fact they carry Hammer and Sickle banners

Neither of these accounts is actually written to inform the reader about what happened but that makes both versions of this story a lot more interesting because you can see exactly what issues each side wants to highlight. On the liberal side you get the emphasis on how these people are an anti-social fringe disrupting a nice family oriented and pro-labour event with a bunch of swearing and showboating. There is a conspicuous effort to completely erase the fact this protest was specifically raising Indigenous issues. By contrast the Post Millenial goes out of its way to hide the militant left presence and to play up the idea that the protesters were talking about Grassy Narrows.

# ? Sep 3, 2019 17:13

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

The weirdly mercurial intersectionality of indigenous protests and Conservative supporters*.

*This is not to suggest that Grassy Narrows are in any way Conservative supporters, just that Conservatives suddenly find themselves overwhelmed by the plight of indigenous groups when it happens to demonstrate how awful the Liberals are.

infernal machines fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Sep 3, 2019

# ? Sep 3, 2019 17:18

RBC: Nov 23, 2007; IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888

Helsing posted:

This is a fascinating battle between two propaganda narratives. The event at the centre of this is the labour day parade in Hamilton, where Trudeau was confronted by protesters. First let's see how a typical liberal sympathetic paper describes the event. Pay close attention to the details:

Interesting details here:

-it was a very small group of protesters / hecklers (don't call them activists!)
-selected quotes convey the message that real locals and people from actual unions were very happy to have Trudeau there, only NDP partisans, anarchists and marxists were opposed
-the people happy to see Trudeau were all there with family members
-heavy emphasis on how exciting for Hamilton it is that Trudeau would visit
-LIUNA wanted Trudeau there
-Even when it appeared that Trudeau had left he actually returned a block later and finished the parade

Practically every adjective chosen, every quote provided and every anecdote describes works to create a picture of a nice family event in which a rather vague and clearly anti-establishment group of anarchists and Marxists who will protest just about anything showed up and screaming obscenities, something that normally never happens and which likely indicates they were outsiders and not real members of the local community.

Now look at how the same event is reported on in noted right-wing rag the Post Millenial:

Interesting differences:

-Suddenly the protesters were indignenous. There's no mention of anarchists or socialists!
-They're not just protesters they're activists!
-Said activists get quoted extensively and the content of their banners is also accurately described
-No mention of swear words, a much more neutral chant is quoted
-In this version Trudeau doesn't choose to leave the parade, he is "whisked away", and he doesn't come back at the end. Very weak!
-in this version it is a "large number of protesters" rather than 10-20 Marxists and anarchists
-other than being indigenous, the politics of the protest is de-emphasized to make it more sympathetic to the Post Millenial's audience. This is particularly funny if you know anything about Fightback, calling them a "left-wing student movement" rather understates the fact they carry Hammer and Sickle banners

Neither of these accounts is actually written to inform the reader about what happened but that makes both versions of this story a lot more interesting because you can see exactly what issues each side wants to highlight. On the liberal side you get the emphasis on how these people are an anti-social fringe disrupting a nice family oriented and pro-labour event with a bunch of swearing and showboating. There is a conspicuous effort to completely erase the fact this protest was specifically raising Indigenous issues. By contrast the Post Millenial goes out of its way to hide the militant left presence and to play up the idea that the protesters were talking about Grassy Narrows.

Just to be clear what happened was there was a well organized group of various socialists and unions including IWW, CUPW, ATU, that took issue with Trudeau marching in the labour parade and blockaded his rear end because he absolutely does not respect the right to strike and has no business marching in that parade. Hamilton Labour Council even said the fucker wasn't invited. Liuna invited him and nobody else wanted him there.

# ? Sep 3, 2019 17:27

Capital Letdown: Oct 5, 2006; i still cant fix red text avs someone tell me the bbcode for that im an admin and dont know this lmao

RBC posted:

Just to be clear what happened was there was a well organized group of various socialists and unions including IWW, CUPW, ATU, that took issue with Trudeau marching in the labour parade and blockaded his rear end because he absolutely does not respect the right to strike and has no business marching in that parade. Hamilton Labour Council even said the fucker wasn't invited. Liuna invited him and nobody else wanted him there.

Yeah this was mostly my understanding of it - I was there with my Union but I missed most of this because I was doing some set up and stuff, and I was more towards the front of the parade.

For the most part the unions weren't super receptive of him - I saw a couple older members with big giant toilet paper rolls saying 'these are for all of Trudeau's bullshit!', and I saw the one woman go around and say that to at least 3 or 4 different groups of people, so she was super proud of that joke.

Jagmeet was definitely much more warmly received than Trudeau was though, I was around when he was speaking.

# ? Sep 3, 2019 17:50

Arivia: Mar 17, 2011

I get the feeling that LIUNA is by far the most corporate and centrist of all the unions here, especially since they have that event space they keep renting out and everything.

# ? Sep 3, 2019 18:05

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

Arivia posted:

I get the feeling that LIUNA is by far the most corporate and centrist of all the unions here, especially since they have that event space they keep renting out and everything.

Unions representing people in the construction industry have tended to be the most enthusiastic proponents of building alliances with the Liberals and have historically always been among the staunchest advocates of Gomperism / business unionism as opposed to social movement unionism.

Of course it's worth noting that the largest private sector union in Canada is UNIFOR and their leader is saying stuff like this:

quote:

When I was growing up, you had the Conservatives as the far-right party. You had the Liberals which were the small-c conservative party. And then you had the New Democrats. If you take a look at the Kathleen Wynne government or the Trudeau government, I think it�s clear these Liberals are much different than the Liberals of old. The Liberals have tacked more centre-left. I think Kathleen Wynne was one of the most progressive leaders we�ve ever had in this country.

# ? Sep 3, 2019 18:29

Arivia: Mar 17, 2011

That�s true but I was referring more to the local on the ground perspective I have from living in Hamilton.

# ? Sep 3, 2019 18:36

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Helsing posted:

I think Kathleen Wynne was one of the most progressive leaders we�ve ever had in this country.

Is this actually wrong though?

Not in a good way, either, just probably true.

# ? Sep 3, 2019 18:38

apatheticman: May 13, 2003; Wedge Regret

Let the austerity begin for Alberta.

https://twitter.com/AlbertaatNoon/status/1168939415013666816?s=20

https://twitter.com/mpotkins/status/1168938366760566790?s=203

https://twitter.com/SammyHudes/status/1168934189443497984?s=20

Let's not raise taxes, implement PST or anything....

# ? Sep 3, 2019 18:58

Syfe: Jun 12, 2006

apatheticman posted:

Let the austerity begin for Alberta.

https://twitter.com/AlbertaatNoon/status/1168939415013666816?s=20

https://twitter.com/mpotkins/status/1168938366760566790?s=203

https://twitter.com/SammyHudes/status/1168934189443497984?s=20

Let's not raise taxes, implement PST or anything....

Raising taxes would be UNFAIR, so in fairness lets just destroy what's there (for poor people) for austerity.

# ? Sep 3, 2019 19:05

BGrifter: Mar 16, 2007; Winner of Something Awful PS5 thread's Posting Excellence Award June 2022

Congratulations!

apatheticman posted:

Let's not raise taxes, implement PST or anything....

Don�t be silly, this is Alberta. They�ll slap service fees on walking down the street, sunlight, and sneezing before they raise taxes.

# ? Sep 3, 2019 19:06

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

It's all the poor people's fault. If we stopped giving away our tax dollars to the poor and the immigrants Alberta would be Great Again

# ? Sep 3, 2019 19:06

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

infernal machines posted:

Is this actually wrong though?

Not in a good way, either, just probably true.

Yeah, she's only behind all the other leaders who did not sell off hydro one.

# ? Sep 3, 2019 19:12

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

Helsing posted:

The NDP and most of the big public sector unions (plus the autworkers) had a large falling out during the Bob Rae years (90-95), causing a lot of labour unions to sit out the 1995 election. To most people's surpise Mike Harris won and enacted massive changes to the government and labour market, policies that hurt the unions badly. Because they were still unhappy with the NDP, and with the NDP not really in a position to form government, some of the major public sector unions and the CAW started spending money on their own media campaigns during the run up to the 1999 election. They advocated strategic voting and tried to identify about two dozen "winnable" ridings where voting for either an NDP or Liberal candidate could beat a vulnerable Conservative. Around this time the building trades unions, who had previously not been very involved in Ontario politics, launched their own initiative designed to pushback against the Conservatives. These initiatives enjoyed some limited success but Harris was re-elected.

By the time the 2003 election came around the CAW, teachers, nurses and now the Building Trades councils all came together to form the Working Families Coalition. It bundled millions of dollars from constituent unions and made huge media buys advocating voting against the conservatives, using the same pollster and advertising shop that the OLP uses. By the 2007 election they were raising and spending as much or more money than the NDP. They were big enough to be able to run advertisements during major events like the Academy Awards. In 2014 their attacks on Tim Hudak were upsetting the Conservatives so much that the Tories literally ran an attack ad during the election attacking not a political party but the Working Families Coalition itself (I can't think of another example of a third party advertiser being the subject of a major political party's attack ad during an election).

Working Families' role in Ontario elections has fluctuated a bit since then. Under huge pressure from the media the Ontario Liberals finally introduced some legislation on third party advertisers who were more or less completely unregulated a few years ago. The WFC also ramped down its operations a bit after Hudak but has continued to run big advertisement campaigns. It was thought that the new legislation might have removed them as a major force but they did end up running a few ads during the last election even though some of their major constituent unions seemed to have a falling out with the Liberals halfway through the campaign.

The Conservatives were pissed about all this but for a long time seemed to lack any kind of answer. Finally in early 2016 a former Sun News Network executive named Jeff Ballingall established Ontario Proud, seemingly as a sort of counter part for the WFC. Unlike the WFC which traditionally ran television and radio advertisements Ontario Proud focuses on social media and uses extensive microtargetting to deliver its messages. The text you received from them was likely part of an attempt to develop a more sophisticated database of information on the voting public. Probably this kind of thing was inevitable anyway because of how social media and political mobilization has been perfected in other jurisdictions but I think the immediate context of the WFC is important for understanding the emergence of Ontario Proud.

Also note that unions are reproducing the WFC strategy at the federal level now and that third party advertisers are probably going to be a lot more prominent going forward. The legal restrictions on their behavior are tightening but I doubt that will slow their growth much.

As an interesting side note, the major backers of the WFC were construction workers (despite the fact they always used teachers or nurses as their public face). A lot of the WFC's money came from the trades councils. So perhaps we shouldn't be surprised that Ontario Proud's largest source of funding turns out to be construction companies:

How incredibly appropriate that the two biggest third party advertisers of the last few decades in Ontario were effectively front groups for organized labour and capital in the construction industry.

this is a good post and it has gone in the Good Post Zone For Good Posts just under the OP so that the next time someone wants to know about Ontario/Canada Strong/Proud it is easy to find

# ? Sep 3, 2019 19:13

brucio: Nov 22, 2004

https://twitter.com/davidakin/status/1168947962124390405?s=19

You're killing it, Jagmeet

# ? Sep 3, 2019 19:14

littleorv: Jan 29, 2011

So if Jagmeet tanks this election will there be a leadership election afterwards? Might consider giving them $20 or whatever to vote in it.

# ? Sep 3, 2019 19:24

Pinterest Mom: Jun 9, 2009

littleorv posted:

So if Jagmeet tanks this election will there be a leadership election afterwards? Might consider giving them $20 or whatever to vote in it.

Maybe. I think he'll have the support to stay on it the party hits certain goals (something like win his seat, 5 seats in Qu�bec, maybe 20 overall), and it'll depend on who else survives. Svend will certainly organise to challenge him, but that's moot if he loses his seat, for example.

(I think it's :10bux:

in most of the country)

brucio posted:

https://twitter.com/davidakin/status/1168947962124390405?s=19

You're killing it, Jagmeet

The NBNDP has long been the most right-wing section in the country, "former NDP candidates" in that context doesn't mean much, and I wouldn't necessarily put the blame on Jagmeet here.

# ? Sep 3, 2019 19:51

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

Yeah I think this wikipedia page on Dominic Cardy is as good a starting point as any for learning about the NB NDP.

# ? Sep 3, 2019 20:06

brucio: Nov 22, 2004

I don't disagree, but it does give the Greens a narrative boost at the NDP's expense for the day.

# ? Sep 3, 2019 20:56

EvidenceBasedQuack: Aug 15, 2015; A rock has no detectable opinion about gravity

Also even the Greens recognize those NDP deserters want power over principles

To me that's a win for the NDP

In other news, I'm seconding whoever just said LiUNA was right-wing

https://twitter.com/liuna183/status/1004554977191161856?s=19

# ? Sep 3, 2019 21:20

RBC: Nov 23, 2007; IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888

EvidenceBasedQuack posted:

Also even the Greens recognize those NDP deserters want power over principles

To me that's a win for the NDP

In other news, I'm seconding whoever just said LiUNA was right-wing

https://twitter.com/liuna183/status/1004554977191161856?s=19

Wow that's complete garbage, I had no idea the executive was that bad. I know they are corrupt motherfuckers but I didn't realize they're also conservative assholes.

# ? Sep 3, 2019 23:12

Falstaff: Apr 27, 2008; I have a kind of alacrity in sinking.

Helsing posted:

Yeah I think this wikipedia page on Dominic Cardy is as good a starting point as any for learning about the NB NDP.

quote:

Cardy was acclaimed party leader on 2 March 2011 after the only other candidate for the position, Pierre Cyr, was disqualified from the party's 2011 leadership election.

I had a front seat to that. The way Cyr was disqualified still pisses me off, and the fact that Cardy would ultimately abandon the NDP to join the PCs is just about the least surprising thing about his career arc.

# ? Sep 3, 2019 23:59

JohnnyCanuck: May 28, 2004; Strong And/Or Free

Eric Grenier says the NDP could lose official party status

:thunk:

(Maclean's article about 338Canada, you have been warned)

JohnnyCanuck fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Sep 4, 2019

# ? Sep 4, 2019 01:29

pokeyman: Nov 26, 2006; That elephant ate my entire platoon.

As in �ric "I�m Technically Not Completely Wrong" Grenier?

�ric "Is That An Error Bar Or Are You Just Happy To See Me" Grenier?

# ? Sep 4, 2019 01:38

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Eric "Anything can happen and probably will" Grenier

# ? Sep 4, 2019 01:41

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Eric Grenier wasn't even mentioned in the article and that's not his site. He's only working on your taxpayer funded https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/poll-tracker/canada/

# ? Sep 4, 2019 01:48

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Postess with the Mostest posted:

Eric Grenier wasn't even mentioned in the article and that's not his site. He's only working on your taxpayer funded https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/poll-tracker/canada/

True, and Fournier points out:

quote:

However, I urge readers to be very cautious with this poll's regional data: although the poll in its entirety (probabilistic sample of ~900 respondents) is itself perfectly fine, none of the regional sub-samples is large enough to draw definitive conclusions

i.e. Projecting seat estimates based on this poll would be foolish.

otoh, I'm still going to make fun of Grenier, and also defund the CBC

# ? Sep 4, 2019 02:03

Starsfan: Sep 29, 2007; This is what happens when you disrespect Cam Neely

apatheticman posted:

Let the austerity begin for Alberta.

https://twitter.com/AlbertaatNoon/status/1168939415013666816?s=20

https://twitter.com/mpotkins/status/1168938366760566790?s=203

https://twitter.com/SammyHudes/status/1168934189443497984?s=20

Let's not raise taxes, implement PST or anything....

if only we could go back in time and not give that 4 billion dollar tax break to oil companies for 2019 which resulted in 0 net job creation. Oh well, they say that "all options are on the table" to solve this problem, so there's one obvious source of revenues we could use to help bring the budget in line.

�

actually now I'm getting word that the 4 billion dollar tax break for oil companies is not on the table. What a surprise.

**my favorite part of the MacKinnon report is where they claim there is no explanation for why Alberta has historically spent more per capita on capital projects than any other province consistently for the past 20+ years. The report concludes that the province is spending "just because they have extra money" during the boom times.

Surely the higher capital expenditures have nothing to do with the fact that the Province has been the fastest growing population in Canada by a wide margin for the last 20 years, and a disproportionate amount of that population growth has taken place in rural areas which have been (and still are) critically underserviced in infrastructure. Just a trash analysis.

Starsfan fucked around with this message at 02:45 on Sep 4, 2019

# ? Sep 4, 2019 02:16

incontinence 100: Dec 21, 2018; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Frankly I'm surprised politicians are acting like democracy is some kind of profitable game and not and important pillar of civil society.

# ? Sep 4, 2019 03:13

just another: Oct 16, 2009; these dead towns that make the maps wrong now

Helsing posted:

What's the best example of this in your opinion?

Wouldn't most of the big civil rights wins be examples of this (assuming he's talking about not banking on individual politicians)?

We didn't get gay marriage because politicians are heroic, we got it because organized political action made it so they didn't have to be.

# ? Sep 4, 2019 04:17

PittTheElder: Feb 13, 2012; Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Starsfan posted:

if only we could go back in time and not give that 4 billion dollar tax break to oil companies for 2019 which resulted in 0 net job creation. Oh well, they say that "all options are on the table" to solve this problem, so there's one obvious source of revenues we could use to help bring the budget in line.

…

actually now I'm getting word that the 4 billion dollar tax break for oil companies is not on the table. What a surprise.

**my favorite part of the MacKinnon report is where they claim there is no explanation for why Alberta has historically spent more per capita on capital projects than any other province consistently for the past 20+ years. The report concludes that the province is spending "just because they have extra money" during the boom times.

Surely the higher capital expenditures have nothing to do with the fact that the Province has been the fastest growing population in Canada by a wide margin for the last 20 years, and a disproportionate amount of that population growth has taken place in rural areas which have been (and still are) critically underserviced in infrastructure. Just a trash analysis.

There's also a huge demand for infrastructure construction services in the oil sector that I'm sure most drive labour costs up.

# ? Sep 4, 2019 05:48

Coxswain Balls: Jun 4, 2001

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/patrik-mathews-neo-nazi-group-recruitment-1.5268780

Uhhhhhhh

# ? Sep 4, 2019 05:56

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Oh, another nazi looking to disappear into the Manitoba muskeg.

Also lol @ the RCMP. Spent millions to set up a couple tweakers with a pressure cooker, but just up and lost a nazi with arms training.

# ? Sep 4, 2019 06:10

Legit Businessman: Sep 2, 2007

Legit Businessman fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Sep 9, 2022

# ? Sep 4, 2019 06:34

Cuntellectual: Aug 6, 2010

mila kunis posted:

How's that

I mean, who else do you vote for? :geno:

# ? Sep 4, 2019 06:44

Coxswain Balls: Jun 4, 2001

infernal machines posted:

Oh, another nazi looking to disappear into the Manitoba muskeg.

Also lol @ the RCMP. Spent millions to set up a couple tweakers with a pressure cooker, but just up and lost a nazi with arms training.

Our wetlands are a precious resource not only for their effect on cleaning and purifying our waters, but they also do a good job of filtering out harmful ideology.

(This is the same guy from a week or so ago who seems to be making a run for the US border to be among more of his own kind)

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Hand Knit: Oct 24, 2005; Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

JohnnyCanuck posted:

Eric Grenier says the NDP could lose official party status

(Maclean's article about 338Canada, you have been warned)

Prime Minister Singh here we come.

# ? Sep 4, 2019 15:25

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