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Oxxidation posted:gregg's stuff is good but bea's entire arc is a much better fit for what the game is about That’s kind of why I consider Bea’s route to be the “canon”’ path through the game. Nothing is wrong with Mae and Gregg’s relationship but it’s established early on that she and Bea have kind of grown apart as of late. Seeing two former friends gradually reconnect over time just seems to make more narrative sense to me.
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Oxxidation posted:gregg's stuff is good but bea's entire arc is a much better fit for what the game is about This is why I honestly would've prefered if the game just didn't have that choice, even if it makes it feel less... video gamey. Because Bea's story, to me, just felt so much more fulfilling. Not that Gregg's story is bad, but it kind of feels like Greg and Angus would eventually end up in the same place regardless if Mae rocks the boat or not. Bea though, Mae has a direct influence on Bae's story (good and bad) and where she eventually ends up It's also bad, IMO, that you can miss Angus' backstory, which I absolutely did when I played
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Honestly the game should have had more Angus hangouts. Lori was also a really good character that should have played a somewhat bigger role in my opinion.
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Larryb posted:Honestly the game should have had more Angus hangouts. Lori was also a really good character that should have played a somewhat bigger role in my opinion. Hell, I missed Lori throughout the entire game except her very first appearance and the very last when I decided to explore those upper rooftops before the game ended.
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Endorph posted:being poor literally destroys your brain, it is longform torture that permanently destroys the capacities of people who are subjected to it. i cant blame people for that situation for being pliable to conspiracy theories. what the gently caress else do they have. it doesn't absolve them of anything but they aren't 'as bad' as the people pushing those things onto them, or the ones that keep them poor. Racism isn't a mental illness. Racism is hatred. It should be pointed out that adolf hitler grew up poor. But nobody morally wise will say that his crimes only occurred because of "mental illness" because it was that awful rear end in a top hat's OWN consistent decisions to try killing every Jewish person in Germany. poo poo like this inherently dehumanizes mentally ill people and cowardly absolves racists of their crimes. Yes, all rich people are awful, but the white ones are the worst, at least in the lovely country of america that kills thousands every loving day.
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I just wasn’t able to relate to the game that much, though I tried. From an economic standpoint, I ought to be able to: I grew up in a rurual-suburb town whose manufacturing left. But I guess the problem is my teenage and twenties years had “future incel loner” written all over it and it’s only for a number of reasons (including reading plenty of philosophically minded posts on these forums) that I didn’t turn into a fully blown chud. Like there’s angst in there, and there’s gay characters in there, but there’s no gayngst in there. I love those characters, but in my experience being gay in a small town is usually not that ideal. There’s a lot of awkward moments in there, but they’re not loner awkward moments. Mae seems to hate herself more than the people she interacts with. She’s a bust at parties, but at least she’s invited. I feel the game missed me by that much, but it’s probably that the authors wanted to be careful which punches they delivered when it comes to depicting Small Town America. When I was twenty-ish, I thought evangelicals were going to be what killed us all, not late-stage capitalism. That the fundie cult is actually an allegory for economic anxiety instead of just being about fundie cults is the most post-Bush presidency framing device that there is. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Sep 3, 2019 |
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Larryb posted:Honestly the game should have had more Angus hangouts. Lori was also a really good character that should have played a somewhat bigger role in my opinion. Agreed. Especially considering I feel like it is hinting that she is the next one the Black Goat is whispering too. While Bea is absolutely the route to take in this game to experience all the themes and ideas the game is presenting, Wounds is just a wonderful scene. The visuals are gorgeous, the music is great, and Gregg's storyline is a great foil to Mae in a lot of ways. I still need to go back and do another run through of the game with all the Weird Autumn stuff
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the entire time i was playing i thought bea and mae were going to be a couple by the end
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Crazy Ferret posted:Agreed. Especially considering I feel like it is hinting that she is the next one the Black Goat is whispering too. Out of curiosity, what makes you think this?
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kidcoelacanth posted:The best scene in the game, and by far the hardest to actually sit through, is Mae thoroughly sinking Bea's game at the college The most heartbreaking thing about it is that when you play both paths, it's revealed that Bea chickens out of even going to the party without Mae. Everything about Bea's character is so loving tragic. She just cannot catch a single break no matter how hard she tries, and keeps everything so tightly wrapped up inside. Macaluso posted:This is why I honestly would've prefered if the game just didn't have that choice, even if it makes it feel less... video gamey. Because Bea's story, to me, just felt so much more fulfilling. Not that Gregg's story is bad, but it kind of feels like Greg and Angus would eventually end up in the same place regardless if Mae rocks the boat or not. Bea though, Mae has a direct influence on Bae's story (good and bad) and where she eventually ends up So I actually just had a minor revelation about this: The reason why both paths are in the game, and why both are important, is because Greg represents Mae's wants, while Bea represents Mae's needs. Ultimately, what Mae wants to do is have life go back to the way it used to be: having fun hanging out with friends and fulfilling to dumb teenage impulses. Vandalism. Petty thefts. Knife fights. All of these are things that Mae used to do to have fun and feel free, and encourages and indulges Greg to backslide and do the same. But as Greg's storyline shows, you can't just go back to the way things used to be. As people grow up they have different wants, desires, and needs, and by encouraging her own and Greg's destructive tendencies, Mae risks ruining the lives of two of her best friends who, ultimately, want to grow up and move on. Living in the past simply isn't sustainable, and as a result Mae's attempts to revive her old friendship with Greg is similarly doomed to failure. Meanwhile, what Mae needs is to develop as a person, and that's what Bea offers. Compared to mindlessly wrecking stuff as a teenager, becoming an adult isn't fun. It's about accepting responsibility for yourself and caring for others, and that is what Bea's storyline is all about—Mae is discouraged from petty theft by being forced by Bea to consider the consequences of her actions, works a job, completes simple errands and (tries) to cook a balanced meal, and, though she inadvertently instigated the crisis (Though it's really on Bea for not being more explicit on what she was trying to do at the party; it's not Mae's fault she utterly failed to read the room), Mae is ultimately there for her friend when Bea needs her the most. Mae is able to grow just a little bit as a person when she hangs out with Bea, and that's ultimately why Bea's friendship is more satisfying. But Greg's storyline is just as important, as it shows the consequences of not growing, and the damage it can cause to the people Mae cares the most about. It's a very important contrast, and reflects the wider themes and overall plot of the game—Compare this, for instance, to how the cult would rather kill people in a futile effort to maintain the status quo, rather than confront the fact that their town is dying. gently caress this is a good game Acebuckeye13 fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Sep 3, 2019 |
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Larryb posted:Out of curiosity, what makes you think this? God its been ages since I played but if I remember right, She talks about the same kind of mood swings (doesn't she like hold her head and go all "Arghhhh" a few times) that Mae has. She talks about being followed but that can be explained as simply the cult taking a predatory interest. She has that wonderful bit about wanting to be a monster that feels in line with Mae's mindset. I swear she mentions her grandmother having similar visions but I might be confusing that character with someone else. This is built on fuzzy memory but I always thought of Lori has a younger Mae. Maybe a bit more put together, but I felt like the story was hinting that she was having a lot of the same "pressures" so to speak placed on her. Edit: That's some cool analysis Acebuckeye13. Seeing them as Wants versus Needs is interesting Crazy Ferret fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Sep 3, 2019 |
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This is a really good post, and I want to expand on one part of it.Acebuckeye13 posted:Compare this, for instance, to how the cult would rather kill people in a futile effort to maintain the status quo, rather than confront the fact that their town is dying. One of the things I liked about the story is just how many things Mae and the cult have in common, too the point that if Mae were in an even worse position, if she didn't have the support and love of her friends and family, and didn't develop empathy for her fellow outsiders she could very well have been convinced too join them. She even sort of realizes this at the end when she's the only one who kind of understood their motivation and she desperately tries too explain it in her own way. Basically both she and the cult thought the future was always going to be what they remember the past too be, a never ending rerun of "The good old days" where everything was fine and no one had any real problems. But of course that was never true, if you take the time to talk to people and explore you find out the town has a horrible history of violence and exploitation and things have only ever been truly good for a small handful of people. Same with Mae she remembers a lot of the good things with her and her friends, but the moment your search even a little you quickly realize that things were pretty lovely for all them. And like the cult, Mae is hurting people by constantly trying too force the world around her to conform too her sanitized memories of the past. The main difference is of course Mae grows past this, she comes to realize she needs to let go of Greg so both of them can move on and grow up, and she needs to try and change herself and meet Bea halfway if they are going too keep being friends. And it hurts like hell, but it's worth it because she comes out of this a better person. The cult never comes too this realization, they keep on hurting everyone around them in a desperate attempt too bring back a past that never was.
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Gregg is very important to me as a character because he and Angus' relationship are exactly the same as mine. Gregg and my man are even the same all the way down to the leather jacket and the crimes.
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Somfin posted:I think the most important moment in NitW is the bit where Mae has a massive fight with her mom where some horrible poo poo gets said and the game just continues from there. They don't resolve it at the end of the fight, they don't have some closure later where the issues brought up are fixed. It's not a sign that either character is secretly the bad guy. I had to stop playing for a little while after that scene to absorb what happened because I've had pretty much that exact fight with my parents before. I also did the whole drop out of college and go back to living at home while being a general fuckup so this game was an extremely good self reflection tool. Lori is super easy to miss entirely and I had to look up missable stuff in the game to discover that I could actually hang out with her at all.
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You can also hang out with Germ a few times as well (including a visit to his house), there’s also one hangout with Mae’s mom, a treasure hunting expedition with some random teacher guy, and a dog lady named Miss Rosa who appears sporadically by the pretzel stand and tells stories about Mae’s grandfather (she’s also heavily implied to be Mae’s paternal grandmother as well).
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There's a lot of extra stuff. My biggest recommendation to anyone playing this game for the first time is to explore everywhere and talk to everyone you can every day. Always talk to Bea and Gregg LAST, and if you think you have more to look at, always decline their offer to hang out. Otherwise you can miss a lot of great content.
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not much to add that other people haven't already said - NitW hit me extremely hard emotionally in a way that no other game has. I live on the other side of the world but the issues and relationships in the game still hit uncomfortably close to home, playing through it was equal parts depressing and cathartic and it was an experience I needed. It will always be one of the best games I've ever played.Master Twig posted:There's a lot of extra stuff. My biggest recommendation to anyone playing this game for the first time is to explore everywhere and talk to everyone you can every day. Always talk to Bea and Gregg LAST, and if you think you have more to look at, always decline their offer to hang out. Otherwise you can miss a lot of great content.
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Master Twig posted:There's a lot of extra stuff. My biggest recommendation to anyone playing this game for the first time is to explore everywhere and talk to everyone you can every day. Always talk to Bea and Gregg LAST, and if you think you have more to look at, always decline their offer to hang out. Otherwise you can miss a lot of great content. A lot of that was added by the Weird Autumn patch (as well as a few extra NPCs, at least two new songs and the ability to play the bass in Mae's room). But yeah, with the exception of the Angus one Bea and Gregg are the only hangouts that actually advance the plot (and for some reason it only lets you do two of the ghost hunting hangouts at the end despite the story mentioning all three) so as mentioned they should be the last people you visit if you want to see everything the game has to offer. Also the exploration factor is the entire point of the game. The two supplementary games released beforehand (which are also included with the Weird Autumn edition) are worth playing as well. Longest Night isn't much to speak of (it's mostly just a longer version of the constellation minigame with Mr. Chazokov) but Lost Constellation is basically a full fledged prequel in and of itself (it's not quite as long of course but it does feel more like a complete game). Both games are directly referenced in Night in the Woods proper. Larryb fucked around with this message at 12:49 on Sep 3, 2019 |
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Master Twig posted:There's a lot of extra stuff. My biggest recommendation to anyone playing this game for the first time is to explore everywhere and talk to everyone you can every day. Always talk to Bea and Gregg LAST, and if you think you have more to look at, always decline their offer to hang out. Otherwise you can miss a lot of great content. One of my few criticisms about the game is that it doesn't really explain this at all, and you can miss out on a lot because of it. I actually missed out on the Mom hangout because I didn't quite get yet that only hanging out with Greg or Bea advanced the plot, and didn't realize you can't go back once you've run though the town checking everything out-if you tell your mom you don't feel like hanging out at that exact moment, you can't do it at all. And that sucked, because I wanted to hang out, but I didn't want to miss anything, and then I missed something because I didn't want to miss anything!
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Sep 3, 2019 12:52
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Scott’s written a piece about his time working with Alec. https://medium.com/@bombsfall/alec-2618dc1e23e
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HMS Beagle posted:Scott’s written a piece about his time working with Alec. Christ this is brutal to read. I just feel so bad for Scott and everyone else Alec hurt.
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best/worst thing about that post for me was benson's bitter speculation that holowka hadn't actually "gotten better" and had instead just moved on from him so that he could begin poisoning someone else
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Macaluso posted:This is why I honestly would've prefered if the game just didn't have that choice, even if it makes it feel less... video gamey. same, this is my only criticism of the game really. you have to make multiple playthroughs to catch everything which is a big ask when folks already have game backlogs in the double digits
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kidcoelacanth posted:like an idiot, i keep looking at comment threads on twitter or whatever and it's honestly just the worst part of all of this. people are trash. If it's any consolation, most of the people being lovely on twitter are like this: 
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kidcoelacanth posted:like an idiot, i keep looking at comment threads on twitter or whatever and it's honestly just the worst part of all of this. people are trash. there was someone in qcs yesterday blowing his stack because threads were once again speaking aloud the name of the perfidious quinn
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TheNamedSavior posted:Racism isn't a mental illness. Racism is hatred. It should be pointed out that adolf hitler grew up poor. But nobody morally wise will say that his crimes only occurred because of "mental illness" because it was that awful rear end in a top hat's OWN consistent decisions to try killing every Jewish person in Germany. poo poo like this inherently dehumanizes mentally ill people and cowardly absolves racists of their crimes. Kazy posted:If it's any consolation, most of the people being lovely on twitter are like this:
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Why the gently caress do people read Twitter comments I don’t loving get it
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HMS Beagle posted:Scott’s written a piece about his time working with Alec. Holy poo poo, this hits way too close to home. I completely understand Scott and what he has been through, especially the part about being a fixer for Alec's life. I knew someone just like that, where I was constantly having to fix their poo poo, and getting incredibly stressed out when they would say anything at all about self harming, wanting to commit suicide, getting angry over every little thing, and I would have to be the one to calm them down. Multiple times I would wake up in the morning to messages of "hey, I am going to kill myself if you don't respond to this." and there was this one time that I traveled half way across the country to stay with a friend, and an unreasonable amount of time I unfairly spent time texting this abusive person trying to help them through their poo poo. I am glad I see my therapist today, because this is bringing back bad memories from over 3 years ago.
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I don't think Scott's account changes my own understanding of events but it certainly does dismantle any "baseless accusations, how could you cut ties with him against the word of internet strangers" arguments.
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HMS Beagle posted:Scott’s written a piece about his time working with Alec. I feel like this should be the final nail in the coffin but I'm sure a trove of assholes will still continue to blame Zoe Quinn for "making poo poo up." It sucks I feel like I can never loving enjoy this game ever again, the well is so poisoned now.
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I feel like I need to enjoy this game just to spite all of the assholes still blaming Zoe, Scott, and Bethany. They did absolutely nothing wrong, they are guilt free in all of this.
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HMS Beagle posted:Scott’s written a piece about his time working with Alec. It's a well-written piece. What a mess the whole situation is.
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HMS Beagle posted:Scott’s written a piece about his time working with Alec. Dang, this one hits a bit too close to home with some people I used to know. I'm glad he wrote it though, I think a lot of people might be reading this in the coming days and have it resonate with them a lot more than they expected it to. DLC Inc posted:I feel like this should be the final nail in the coffin but I'm sure a trove of assholes will still continue to blame Zoe Quinn for "making poo poo up." It sucks I feel like I can never loving enjoy this game ever again, the well is so poisoned now. The comments on it are a bit of a poo poo show already. Personally; I'm not going to be replaying either this or Aquaria any time soon. I love them both, but this has been some heavy stuff.
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DLC Inc posted:I feel like this should be the final nail in the coffin but I'm sure a trove of assholes will still continue to blame Zoe Quinn for "making poo poo up." The responses on medium to the piece prove you right. I'm not going to abandon my love of this game, rather knowing how much the Bensons had to bear adds to its resonance for me.
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