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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:I apologize for comment, I did not mean it in that way but I see how it came like that. I don't think you meant anything malicious. I reserve my expressions of horror for the people committing these crimes against humanity. Tax in honor of my 3 year old's favorite stuffed animal: 
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Sep 4, 2019 16:13
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Lightning Knight posted:This doesn’t surprise me, there’s an inherent parasocial aspect to this. there have been dozens on dozens of forums offshoots over the years and all of them die, sooner or later. the most successful ones are the ones which have some independent reason to exist, like file piracy. the least successful ones are when some posting clique gets ejected from the forums, tries to set up their own little forum, and it rapidly dies from infighting and lack of interest
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Sep 4, 2019 16:13
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Ripoff posted:As for the homemade bomb thing yeah, this is true. We’d suddenly see incels and former 8-channers getting a sudden interest in fertilizer and aluminum oxide. Thankfully though, bomb-making is hard and would be less successful, as evidenced by the Columbine shooters. We also have incredibly strict laws around purchasing bomb-making precursors, and wow, instances of bomb violence has dropped dramatically.
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Sep 4, 2019 16:14
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Also lol at anyone who thinks there would actually be mass violent resistance to a strong gun control law. The vast majority of the MORON LABEL crowd is upper middle class middle aged White dudes. They'd complain a lot and vote chud harder, and a bunch would probably just ignore the laws, but nobody is taking to the streets.
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Sep 4, 2019 16:16
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luxury handset posted:there have been dozens on dozens of forums offshoots over the years and all of them die, sooner or later. the most successful ones are the ones which have some independent reason to exist, like file piracy. the least successful ones are when some posting clique gets ejected from the forums, tries to set up their own little forum, and it rapidly dies from infighting and lack of interest Ya, I’ve been in this situation in the past and it is never sustainable long time.
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Sep 4, 2019 16:16
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Ginette Reno posted:I don't even like the just take away assault weapons poo poo. take it all away. i've said it before but if they didn't want to give up an inch we should take a mile. this is on them for not even compromising on things that are universally popular.
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Sep 4, 2019 16:16
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luxury handset posted:same Friend of mine had to explain it to her brainwormsed parents in terms of "how would you feel if your grandchildren were locked up" because somehow that hadn't occurred to them. Nobody on FNC/Brightbart/whatever said it.
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Sep 4, 2019 16:16
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Paradoxish posted:She's not super wrong, though. I’m always a little taken aback by how much pro-gun people are willing to admit that they would murder government officials rather than follow a law to give up these assault rifles, and how that’s just accepted as a not-crazy thing to say. Especially given their reactions when black people so much as sneeze around a police officer. It really paints a picture.
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Sep 4, 2019 16:17
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Democrazy posted:I’m always a little taken aback by how much pro-gun people are willing to admit that they would murder government officials rather than follow a law to give up these assault rifles, and how that’s just accepted as a not-crazy thing to say. Especially given their reactions when black people so much as sneeze around a police officer. It really paints a picture. They only consider the government legitimate if it does what they want
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Sep 4, 2019 16:18
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IIRC only governors can request disaster declarations from the Federal Government because it requires the consent of the state for federal involvement. So this adds another layer of stupid on this stupid poo poo sundae.
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Sep 4, 2019 16:20
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Democrazy posted:I’m always a little taken aback by how much pro-gun people are willing to admit that they would murder government officials rather than follow a law to give up these assault rifles, and how that’s just accepted as a not-crazy thing to say. Especially given their reactions when black people so much as sneeze around a police officer. It really paints a picture. Schrodinger’s Government Legitimacy, the government is legitimate when it supports their desires and it is not when it doesn’t.
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Sep 4, 2019 16:22
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https://twitter.com/ACLU/status/1169043264881778688 ACLU is doin work. I would wager this new transfer breaks some law or ordinance regarding funding because this administration is that stupid. Plus, any slowdown of the racist monument is a good thing imo and will generate a lot of steaming toilet takes from Donny
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Sep 4, 2019 16:23
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Sep 4, 2019 16:23
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luxury handset posted:same It's just a dumb take. I don't have kids or ever want kids but that is a blindingly obvious major issue. Like I guess it's better to do a study than not do a study but "taking a small child away from their parents and locking them in a cage apparently has negative consequences to their mental health" isn't really groundbreaking.
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Sep 4, 2019 16:24
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Democrazy posted:I’m always a little taken aback by how much pro-gun people are willing to admit that they would murder government officials rather than follow a law to give up these assault rifles, and how that’s just accepted as a not-crazy thing to say. Especially given their reactions when black people so much as sneeze around a police officer. It really paints a picture. People talk a good game in online echo chambers. Occasionally one crazy actually does it and gets iced by the pigs.
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Sep 4, 2019 16:26
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luxury handset posted:the least successful ones are when some posting clique gets ejected from the forums, tries to set up their own little forum, and it rapidly dies from infighting and lack of interest What was the one called with “Style Points” or whatever where they offered rewards for good posts? “Posting with Style” or something? That was a loving riot.
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Sep 4, 2019 16:28
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fool_of_sound posted:Solving spree killings shouldn't be the primary goal of gun legislation in any case. Why not? What should it be? Democrazy posted:I’m always a little taken aback by how much pro-gun people are willing to admit that they would murder government officials rather than follow a law to give up these assault rifles, and how that’s just accepted as a not-crazy thing to say. Especially given their reactions when black people so much as sneeze around a police officer. It really paints a picture. I think a major gun buy-back program is really the best idea. It's voluntary, realistic, has worked in the past, and a lot of the people who hoard guns can use an extra several hundred bucks. Let's see if they'd rather keep all 45 guns or make their mortgage. Then use the money to help fund mental health programs which is another big part of this problem.
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Sep 4, 2019 16:36
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fool_of_sound posted:What else is he going to do with them after kidnapping them via balloon? *ahem* it's called a Fulton Device
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Sep 4, 2019 16:36
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1glitch0 posted:Why not? What should it be? Because spree killings and mass shootings are actually a tiny percentage of overall gun violence. Most gun violence is occurring in the context of low level street crime or domestic abuse and is done using a handgun.
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Sep 4, 2019 16:37
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Lightning Knight posted:Because spree killings and mass shootings are actually a tiny percentage of overall gun violence. Most gun violence is occurring in the context of low level street crime or domestic abuse and is done using a handgun. Fair enough.
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Sep 4, 2019 16:39
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Lightning Knight posted:Because spree killings and mass shootings are actually a tiny percentage of overall gun violence. Most gun violence is occurring in the context of low level street crime or domestic abuse and is done using a handgun. Yeah, this is the biggest thing to keep in mind regarding gun legislation—even if every semi-automatic rifle was hoovered up into a black hole in the sky, it would barely cause a dent in overall gun violence.
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Sep 4, 2019 16:43
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1glitch0 posted:Fair enough. Mass casualty events get the big headlines, but the constant background death toll is done one at a time by handguns. Those would be my personal A+ #1 priority for a ban/confiscation.
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Sep 4, 2019 16:44
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Which brings us to the soul crushing realization that white people only care about mass shootings because it is something that may affect their white suburban children or family at gatherings, and they have no regard at all for violence that disproportionately affects women and POC at staggeringly higher rates because “I need a handgun to protect myself!!!”
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Sep 4, 2019 16:46
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1glitch0 posted:I think a major gun buy-back program is really the best idea. It's voluntary, realistic, has worked in the past, and a lot of the people who hoard guns can use an extra several hundred bucks. Let's see if they'd rather keep all 45 guns or make their mortgage. If they gave realistic values to them, absolutely. But I wouldn't turn in a rifle that cost me $600 for a $50 home depot gift card.
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Sep 4, 2019 16:47
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unfortunately scalia and co. have made it impossible to ban handguns because the right has spent decades spreading a lie about what the second amendment means.
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Sep 4, 2019 16:48
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Sep 4, 2019 16:48
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Sep 4, 2019 16:49
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AFewBricksShy posted:If they gave realistic values to them, absolutely. But I wouldn't turn in a rifle that cost me $600 for a $50 home depot gift card. It would have to be an appealing amount to be meaningfully different from a straight confiscation program. If you're going to force people to sell guns at a loss you may as well make it a total loss and save the government some money. Groovelord Neato posted:unfortunately scalia and co. have made it impossible to ban handguns because the right has spent decades spreading a lie about what the second amendment means. I think in these hypotheticals the Court has already been brought to heel somehow and won't interfere.
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Sep 4, 2019 16:50
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Rent-A-Cop posted:5.56 is also generally much safer for use indoors due to its tendency to fragment and tumble rather than plow through walls like buck or slugs. This is a myth. 5.56 will over penetrate multiple walls depending on construction and just because it may start to tumble doesn't mean it won't keep going though a wall. Plus there's the fact that the vast majority of platforms that chamber a 5.56 are carbines or rifles, which aren't great for moving around indoors and getting sights on target. Then there's dealing with recoil. All in cases where the maximum distance between you and your target is very likely to be a lot less than 20 feet, lights off, and you're sleepy. Ultimately, there is risk to choosing any firearm as a method of home defense.
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Sep 4, 2019 16:51
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Timmy Age 6 posted:Mass casualty events get the big headlines, but the constant background death toll is done one at a time by handguns. Those would be my personal A+ #1 priority for a ban/confiscation. My only argument, and I'm not saying something shouldn't be done about the general gun violence, is the mass shootings have had a severe impact on our culture. Which isn't saying that gang violence or domestic shootings shouldn't be curbed, but we wouldn't be having announcements in theaters about where to run if/when a shooting breaks out (or like when I went to see Michael Moore's latest movie and there was an announcement at the box office that towards the end of the film the screen would go black and alarms would sound but STAY CALM it's part of the movie, you aren't under attack!) or having elementary kids have to go through active shooting training. It rises the collective temperature of society in which small scale disputes don't.
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Sep 4, 2019 16:53
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Doctor Butts posted:This is a myth. 5.56 is generally going to penetrate fewer than a slug.
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Sep 4, 2019 16:55
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.223 has not a lot of recoil, your main thing about indoors usage for self defense with basically any gun is both blowing your eardrums out as well as having a light on the gun to make sure you’re not killing your kid sneaking in.Doctor Butts posted:This is a myth.
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1glitch0 posted:My only argument, and I'm not saying something shouldn't be done about the general gun violence, is the mass shootings have had a severe impact on our culture. are you trying to fix the culture of fear, or are you trying to fix the violence underscoring that culture of fear? seems like you're treating the symptoms here
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Sep 4, 2019 16:56
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luxury handset posted:are you trying to fix the culture of fear, or are you trying to fix the violence underscoring that culture of fear? seems like you're treating the symptoms here Mass shootings deserve about as much legislative attention as commercial airline crashes. Big and flashy, but utterly unlikely.
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Sep 4, 2019 16:58
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AFewBricksShy posted:If they gave realistic values to them, absolutely. But I wouldn't turn in a rifle that cost me $600 for a $50 home depot gift card. No, but say 300 bucks in cold hard cash for a rifle you paid 600 bucks for that has just sat in your closet for 5 years next to your other 10 rifles. And then you sell it back and the caravan hoards don't suddenly invade your house maybe you sell another one. It seems the best and most realistic option as opposed to having the national guard or local police knocking on doors demanding you hand over your guns. But yeah, I mean just give em market price for them if that would work. It'd still be a small price to pay.
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Sep 4, 2019 17:00
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Objurium posted:I think a lot of you really don't quite grasp how much the COME AND TAKE IT MOLON LABE DONT TREAD ON ME BROTHERRRRRRR poo poo is entrenched in the gun community. It's not just "the crazies", it is the culture.
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Sep 4, 2019 17:00
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Rent-A-Cop posted:This. Commerical airline crashes were a lot more common until they were legislated out of existence
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Sep 4, 2019 17:05
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1glitch0 posted:No, but say 300 bucks in cold hard cash for a rifle you paid 600 bucks for that has just sat in your closet for 5 years next to your other 10 rifles. And then you sell it back and the caravan hoards don't suddenly invade your house maybe you sell another one. It seems the best and most realistic option as opposed to having the national guard or local police knocking on doors demanding you hand over your guns. But yeah, I mean just give em market price for them if that would work. It'd still be a small price to pay. You will have Ruby ridges all across the country if you actually tried to bust down doors and confiscating guns. Nevermind the fact that theres so many guns thats it would be near impossible just from a logistical standpoint. A buyback for assault weapons would be the best option. But it would be really expensive. Realistically in the near future the best you can hope for is a new assault weapons ban coupled with a voluntary buyback, with the remaining guns grandfathered in.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Range supervision is a "Please lock the gate when you leave" sign. You could write liability into the law. Would have a double benefit of making their insurance really expensive too
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