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Neo Rasa posted:something something toyetic Toyetic is releasing yet another stormtrooper but this time the helmet is 0.005% smaller because it used the "background character" version of a helmet prop rather than one that's used in close-ups
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Never forget that Darth Vader's first words in Star Wars were "Are you an angel?"
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euphronius posted:Lucas is obviously joking and making fun of fans. quote:“Back in the day, I used to say ultimately what this means is we were just cars, vehicles for the Whills to travel around in….We’re vessels for them. And the conduit is the midichlorians. The midichlorians are the ones that communicate with the Whills. The Whills, in a general sense, they are the Force… All the way back to—with the Force and the Jedi and everything—the whole concept of how things happen was laid out completely from [the beginning] to the end. But I never got to finish. I never got to tell people about it.”
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Sep 4, 2019 20:31
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He is such a goddamn liar. There is no way that was ever the original intent.
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Maybe it it seems more like jokes or sarcasm. Some of that was in the first drafts from like 1973 or whatever
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Part of Lucas' opening crawl for Episode 7 is in the TFA art book, and mentions a "Coalition of Star Systems" that's challenging the New Republic's right to rule the galaxy, which sounds like an evolution of the Separatists from the prequels. Padme was on the verge of siding with them in Episode 3, so having a conflict that actually does have "heroes on both sides" would be an interesting way to go.
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Robot Style posted:Part of Lucas' opening crawl for Episode 7 is in the TFA art book, and mentions a "Coalition of Star Systems" that's challenging the New Republic's right to rule the galaxy, which sounds like an evolution of the Separatists from the prequels. Would evil be everywhere?
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Would evil be everywhere? no, sand
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Would evil be everywhere? Does the New Republic tolerate slavery?
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euphronius posted:Lucas is obviously joking and making fun of fans. Nah, I think he was legit. That's just the kind of out-of-the-blue twist you'd get in some pulp scifi. Compare with Lensman's "suddenly warfare is fought by psychics using the concept of love as a cudgel" or Dune's "suddenly the protagonist is a man-worm" or Childhood End's "suddenly humankind doesn't exist like that." Scifi going psychedelic in the third act ain't anything new.
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Schwarzwald posted:Does the New Republic tolerate slavery? Remember when Qui-Gon won a small child slave in a bet and took him from his mother the slave rather than just freeing them both straight up cause he's a loving Jedi?
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Remember when Return of the Jedi spent Act 1 on a desert, Act 2 in a forest, and suddenly they're in space blowing things up?
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I feel like a lot of people try and cover up Lucas having dumb ideas by saying 'he's just joking' Like don't get me wrong, he's done good things and is successful as all hell, but there have been plenty of times (ie. the Prequels) where it was obvious that he needed someone to tell him no to his dumb ideas.
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My earlier post about it being hard to continue a story that's finished was more about them going back to that Empire/Rebels well, rather than the fact it's impossible to tell a new star wars story. They had pretty much an open field and chose to do what the OT did again, but not as well. Maybe Lucas' mini universe idea would have been better, or if the war profiteers from TLJ were the actual villains of the story rather than just an aside that I'm betting will never come up again, we could have some good movies. But they went back to the old story and it's just not interesting, the empire lost last time, who cares about some cosplayers trying to carry on their legacy? This is why even though I don't like the ST, I think a lot of the hate is misdirected at Rian Johnson and TLJ, whereas I think the problem stems from TFA. That movie just locked them into doing the same old poo poo, Johnson seemed to want to break free but was constrained by the story prompt he received. Although he could have done a better job of actually "killing the past", rather than just talking about it and ending with a fascist group headed by a space wizard vs a plucky group of rebels again.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I feel like a lot of people try and cover up Lucas having dumb ideas by saying 'he's just joking' Hey George, maybe not fill this movie full of racist caricatures? Also, could we build some sets too?
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TFA had problems but I think it at least built somewhat of a foundation that could be used for the rest of the trilogy. The problem is that Rian Johnson clearly didn't want to do any of that so he did his own thing, but it still felt pretty restrained despite it feeling like he was trying to deconstruct the SW mythos. The solution to this would have been to have someone in charge of the SW films actually put together a roadmap of how this new trilogy was going to proceed from beginning to end so that it doesn't feel so jarring. I'm still not convinced that Episode 9 is going to be able to wrap up all of the plot stuff without making the rest of the movies into more of a mess. I get that they are doing a time jump, but a year doesn't feel like nearly long enough. It's also not a good sign when all of the leaks keep circling around 'Palpatine is responsible for everything' which is a giant copout.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Hey George, maybe not fill this movie full of racist caricatures? Also, could we build some sets too? D for effort
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garycoleisgod posted:This is why even though I don't like the ST, I think a lot of the hate is misdirected at Rian Johnson and TLJ, whereas I think the problem stems from TFA. That movie just locked them into doing the same old poo poo, Johnson seemed to want to break free but was constrained by the story prompt he received. Although he could have done a better job of actually "killing the past", rather than just talking about it and ending with a fascist group headed by a space wizard vs a plucky group of rebels again. I think TLJ has some nuts and bolts flaws holding it down, but the big reason it feels kind of unfulfilling is that it's fundamentally about Star Wars' inability to evolve as a franchise. Like, it's barely even subtext. Luke has studied the prequels and correctly identified that the galaxy is locked in a never-ending cycle, and he's never really refuted. At the end of it, all he can do is shrug and say, "well I guess we just have no other choice than to do this for forever."
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Hey George, maybe not fill this movie full of racist caricatures? Also, could we build some sets too? Also keep in mind that to goons in 2019 everything is a racist caricature and I am a racist for pointing this out.
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Since all the spoilers are saying that Snoke was a Palpatine's ghost possession, it will be hilarious how they try and explain how the TLJ novelization had Snoke POV passages where he is in fact not Sheev. Obviously the movies will ignore it but I'll love to see the scrambling by the Story Group as they struggle to explain it away as all in "Unified Canon" with a straight face.
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It still seems utterly insane to me that they knew from day 1 that the sequel films would be a trilogy, and they didn't bother to even plan a basic story arc outline for them. And I still don't know what the political set up of these films are. I knew the political setup to Star Wars in the first 20 seconds
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CityMidnightJunky posted:It still seems utterly insane to me that they knew from day 1 that the sequel films would be a trilogy, and they didn't bother to even plan a basic story arc outline for them.
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The sequels exist in the Fukuyamist dream of the End of History (which in Star Wars means fascists vs. liberal democrats forever).
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A better way to plan the sequel trilogy would have been to let John Williams write three movies worth of music and then write the script to match that.
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Neo Rasa posted:A New Hope is one of the tightest movies ever made. I dunno man, basically everything between the opening scene and Luke getting an exposition dump from Ben is extremely flabby.
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FlamingLiberal posted:TFA doesn't even bother to explain it so clearly it's not important No, it's extremely important. It's so important that you need to buy the new books, Marvel Star Wars comic series, and Disney+ network so that you can learn all of these things before watching the movie!
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CityMidnightJunky posted:It still seems utterly insane to me that they knew from day 1 that the sequel films would be a trilogy, and they didn't bother to even plan a basic story arc outline for them.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Never forget that Darth Vader's first words in Star Wars were "Are you an angel?" Actually they were "Mel tassa cho-passa". Also I noticed now that those two frames of Anakin flinching at Watto's raised arm were actually in the script.
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Jimbot posted:That random stormtrooper who fought Finn in TFA did more than Phasma. Why that wasn't Phasma is beyond me. Maybe it's all part of JJ's mystery box of cinema. sigher posted:Boba Fett hauls Solo's rear end away leaving his fate uncertain until the next film, it's pretty cool. Also gave us Operation Save Solo in ROTJ which is awesome. Not saying Boba Fett is a great character (because he really isn't a character), but he serves a purpose. You could remove Phasma from the sequels and the films would be no worse because she doesn't do anything. I still really am stunned at how Phasma turned out, like, why would you even bother designing such a character and still even having them in the final script/movie? Just have that one storm trooper who fought Finn be the same guy that scolds him once in the first act and the one they have take down the shield at gunpoint.
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Phasma has to be one of the top 10 people in hollywood movie history who get the most screentime but who the audience knows nothing about and has been given no reason to care about them.
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the TRAITOR guy accomplished more in 3 minutes of screentime than Phasma did in 2 films' worth
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In the battle for most pointless terrible character of phasma vs maz kanata, I would have given it to phasma given the state of things after star wars 8. But apparently maz is back in star wars 9 for some god forsaken reason, so the fight's not over yet
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The only thing dumber than bringing her back in TLJ is not bringing her back in TROS. May as well make her the Nolan scarecrow guy of star wars edit: https://ew.com/tv/2019/09/05/inside-the-mandalorian-star-wars/ Not sure why I find it so funny to see a relatively pastoral scene with a spaceman chilling in it. I hope this means the titular Mandalorian is a nevernuder The Mandalorian unmasked: ‘We did things no Star Wars fan has ever seen’ the jokes write themselves Ingmar terdman fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Sep 5, 2019 |
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Ingmar terdman posted:The only thing dumber than bringing her back in TLJ is not bringing her back in TROS. May as well make her the Nolan scarecrow guy of star wars She's coming back as a force ghost
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Catching up, I love these guys so loving much. I should have known they'd love red eyed Creepio.
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Robot Style posted:Part of Lucas' opening crawl for Episode 7 is in the TFA art book, and mentions a "Coalition of Star Systems" that's challenging the New Republic's right to rule the galaxy, which sounds like an evolution of the Separatists from the prequels. Wasn't that always the hidden secret of the Rebellion, that it was just the surviving Confederacy plus whichever human elites got shut out of Palpatine's power grab?
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Nitrousoxide posted:Phasma has to be one of the top 10 people in hollywood movie history who get the most screentime but who the audience knows nothing about and has been given no reason to care about them. They know she was in GoT and that's about the only back story she's gonna get.
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Mameluke posted:Wasn't that always the hidden secret of the Rebellion, that it was just the surviving Confederacy plus whichever human elites got shut out of Palpatine's power grab? It’s never made super clear to me but I like the idea that the Rebellion is made up of the surviving Seperatist factions, some of that is reflected in the ship designs
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