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Bloodnose posted:it's possible that symbols have different meanings in different contexts. laughably unlikely
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Sep 5, 2019 19:56
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Typo posted:So you are saying it's ok for protesters to accept colonialists and nazis into their ranks instead of deplatforming them? No, I just think mass movements are more complicated and multifactored than "it's all X". The French yellow vests were the same way with lovely right wing people and left wing people both taking to the streets. Maybe the Hong Kong protesters could do more to surpress the right wing elements, but I don't think the existance of a right wing means that everyone is right wing.
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Sep 5, 2019 19:58
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How can you idiots be on the internet like *right now* and think that Pepe is exclusively an alt-right thing jfc
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Sep 5, 2019 20:00
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sincx posted:Uh, you should know that swastikas existed for millennia before the Nazis, where as Pepe has been an alt-right symbol years before the HK protests started. Don't make excuses for cops. Don't make excuses for the minority of protestors that are alt-right shitheads asking for colonialism to come back. Do you think pepe was created by the alt-right?
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Sep 5, 2019 20:02
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BrokenGameboy posted:No, I just think mass movements are more complicated and multifactored than "it's all X". The French yellow vests were the same way with lovely right wing people and left wing people both taking to the streets. Maybe the Hong Kong protesters could do more to surpress the right wing elements, but I don't think the existance of a right wing means that everyone is right wing. It doesn't matter if the protesters are individually "right" or "left", the class content of their protests supports the interest of core imperialist bourgeois in annihilating the only force capable of saving the planet from their own greed and their desire for white supremacism. It doesn't matter if only 10% of the protesters are CIA agents and 90% are only "bad-influenced" by propaganda CIA put out to incite anti-Socialist thoughts and actions or vice-versa, it is accurate to describe the protesters as a whole as "rightist CIA elements".
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Sep 5, 2019 20:03
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:28 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Sep 5, 2019 20:03
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sincx posted:People aren't stupid Clearly some are
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Sep 5, 2019 20:04
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sincx posted:From what I've seen Pepe is closely linked to the carrying of colonial HK or American flags. People aren't stupid and HKers have uncensored access to the internet. They know who uses Pepe. yeah see last page where you can see the nazis ukrainian flag right above the pepe flags
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Sep 5, 2019 20:05
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It’s you. You are the dumb one
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Sep 5, 2019 20:05
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sincx posted:So it wasn't created by the alt-right, but the alt-right took it over as their own and made it famous. How have you been on this website since 2012 and think this? Its been "famous" all over the internet for ten years now.
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Sep 5, 2019 20:08
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:28 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Sep 5, 2019 20:10
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Typo posted:It doesn't matter if the protesters are individually "right" or "left", the class content of their protests supports the interest of core imperialist bourgeois in annihilating the only force capable of saving the planet from their own greed and their desire for white supremacism. It doesn't matter if only 10% of the protesters are CIA agents and 90% are only "bad-influenced" by propaganda CIA put out to incite anti-Socialist thoughts and actions or vice-versa, it is accurate to describe the protesters as a whole as "rightist CIA elements". I’ll be damned if I said I didn’t laugh at this every time lmao.
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Sep 5, 2019 20:10
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"pepe have different meanings in different places" - a liberal 2019
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Sep 5, 2019 20:11
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typo is correct
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Sep 5, 2019 20:11
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I know my some of posts have the form of "shitposting", but the class content of my posts are solidly proletarian
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Sep 5, 2019 20:13
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sincx posted:It's been an alt-right hate symbol since 2016 at the very latest. quote:The majority of uses of Pepe the Frog have been, and continue to be, non-bigoted. However, it was inevitable that, as the meme proliferated in on-line venues such as 4chan, 8chan, and Reddit, which have many users who delight in creating racist memes and imagery, a subset of Pepe memes would come into existence that centered on racist, anti-Semitic or other bigoted themes. Thats the source for those articles you linked.
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Sep 5, 2019 20:14
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There was a brief period when it’s association with the alt-right was much more routinely highlighted in major media outlets, because alt-right tended to be internet shut-in fuckwits and it was when most people who don’t have any grasp of western internet culture first encountered it, but it’s *never* been fully co-opted by the alt-right and has been a general internet symbol used in a huge variety of contexts for a long time and if you don’t understand that then I don’t know how you can possibly expect anyone to take anything you say about the youth of a highly technically adept and online society like HK seriously.
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Sep 5, 2019 20:14
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sincx posted:It's been an alt-right hate symbol since 2016 at the very latest. You see at least Typo’s gimmick can be funny; yours is just sad
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Sep 5, 2019 20:17
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Really, just go into red leftist chekist communist mainland Chinese Douyu for a couple seconds and you'll see Pepe. Anyone who has spent any time on the Chinese internet will know this. This is a place even Homex and tino and anyone else who can read Chinese will back me, the CIA black hand, up, that frog has no far right associations in the Chinese context. And claiming it does just shows how you have no familiarity with China beyond reading headlines.
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Sep 5, 2019 20:17
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:28 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Sep 5, 2019 20:17
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Typo posted:"pepe have different meanings in different places" - a liberal 2019 If me, a Chinese who used "Banana Men" on another Chinese got a few days ban, than white liberals who defend "Pepe" should also get bans. Its only fair.
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Sep 5, 2019 20:18
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(Me, jeering at Constable Ontlametse Bernstein Menyatsoe) “I stand against police brutality and the criminal extrajudicial execution of Alwyn Wolfaardt, Nicolaas Fourie and Jacobus Stephanus Uys! All cops are bad!”
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Sep 5, 2019 20:19
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Bloodnose posted:Really, just go into red leftist chekist communist mainland Chinese Douyu for a couple seconds and you'll see Pepe. Anyone who has spent any time on the Chinese internet will know this. This is a place even Homex and tino and anyone else who can read Chinese will back me, the CIA black hand, up, that frog has no far right associations in the Chinese context. obviously pepe when used in a socialist context is different than used in a "rightist-CIA element" context
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Sep 5, 2019 20:19
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Fascism appropriates things, yes. For example, when they used the OK hand gesture as a dog whistle - - I don't know if they still do. But that doesn't mean that all usages of the gesture were bad,and that nobody should ever use it. Now if like you said pepe is being used mostly if not exclusively by the Hong Kong right, then I conceed.
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Sep 5, 2019 20:21
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:(Me, jeering at Constable Ontlametse Bernstein Menyatsoe) “I stand against police brutality and the criminal extrajudicial execution of Alwyn Wolfaardt, Nicolaas Fourie and Jacobus Stephanus Uys! All cops are bad!” "chekists applying tough methods to root out bad elements and unmask counter-revolutionaries to protect against white guardists is bad" - a liberal 2019
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Sep 5, 2019 20:22
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:28 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Sep 5, 2019 20:26
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What’s the thread think about American Factory? I got too high and came away thinking it was a state capitalist’s warning that labor alone – especially the kind of contract-focused trade unionism the UAW was after in the film – is no match for advanced capitalism.
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Sep 5, 2019 21:02
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I've had enough Obama for several life times no thanks
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Sep 5, 2019 21:15
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whatever7 posted:Pepe is the new Peppa Pig. I have bad news about Pepe.  Anyway bloodnose casually throwing out wechat is pretty funny, like we wouldn't already know it's choked to the gills with Chinese fascists.
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Sep 5, 2019 21:46
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Anyway bloodnose casually throwing out wechat is pretty funny, like we wouldn't already know it's choked to the gills with Chinese fascists. It's very frustrating to try to talk to people who don't know anything about China that they don't read on CNN or whatever the tankie version of CNN is, but everyone in China uses WeChat. For everything.
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Sep 5, 2019 22:13
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Bloodnose posted:It's very frustrating to try to talk to people who don't know anything about China that they don't read on CNN or whatever the tankie version of CNN is, but everyone in China uses WeChat. For everything. then again... Pener Kropoopkin posted:Anyway bloodnose casually throwing out Twitter is pretty funny, like we wouldn't already know it's choked to the gills with American fascists.
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Sep 5, 2019 22:16
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hobbesmaster posted:then again... Everybody uses facebook too, and that's just an outlet for your annoying uncle to inflict MAGA memes on the whole family.
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Sep 5, 2019 22:17
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Frijolero posted:I've had enough Obama for several life times no thanks I think Obama is just the money guy, one of the co-directors also made the Seeing Red documentary back in the 80s but idk
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Sep 5, 2019 22:18
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Everybody uses facebook too, and that's just an outlet for your annoying uncle to inflict MAGA memes on the whole family. Comparing WeChat to any other social networking system is comparing apples to an entire economy. WeChat has chat and news feed functions, but it's also a wealth management platform, a universally accepted payment platform, a services marketplace, a tax bureau, a licensing office, a travel agent, and a million other things I could go on and on. It's an absolutely universal tool to everyday life in China. Everyone uses it.
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Sep 5, 2019 22:23
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Bloodnose posted:Comparing WeChat to any other social networking system is comparing apples to an entire economy. WeChat has chat and news feed functions, but it's also a wealth management platform, a universally accepted payment platform, a services marketplace, a tax bureau, a licensing office, a travel agent, and a million other things I could go on and on. It's an absolutely universal tool to everyday life in China. Everyone uses it. WeChat is basically if you roll like 75% of the app on your western phone into one
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Sep 5, 2019 22:30
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Bloodnose posted:Comparing WeChat to any other social networking system is comparing apples to an entire economy. WeChat has chat and news feed functions, but it's also a wealth management platform, a universally accepted payment platform, a services marketplace, a tax bureau, a licensing office, a travel agent, and a million other things I could go on and on. It's an absolutely universal tool to everyday life in China. Everyone uses it. That also doesn't mean Chinese people online, especially not Chinese people connected to the Anglosphere like Hong Kongers, wouldn't know anything about the reactionary context of Pepe.
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Sep 5, 2019 22:31
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:That also doesn't mean Chinese people online, especially not Chinese people connected to the Anglosphere like Hong Kongers, wouldn't know anything about the reactionary context of Pepe. I would wager most of the anglosphere in China that knows about English usage of Pepe is probably from twitch or esports.
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Sep 5, 2019 22:33
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My children will one day ask me "Pa pa, where were you when democracy beat tyranny in Hong Kong" and I will say "Son, I was on the toilet, pooping and farting."
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Sep 5, 2019 22:33
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:That also doesn't mean Chinese people online, especially not Chinese people connected to the Anglosphere like Hong Kongers, wouldn't know anything about the reactionary context of Pepe. in fact it's significantly more innocent when pepe is used by mainlanders since much of the "bad" content on the internet is inaccessible thus the pepe is more innocuous
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Sep 5, 2019 22:35
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:That also doesn't mean Chinese people online, especially not Chinese people connected to the Anglosphere like Hong Kongers, wouldn't know anything about the reactionary context of Pepe. It does actually.
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Sep 5, 2019 22:35
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