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Ok just reading about the UK for the first time and what's up with that little tiny piece of the island they have next to them? Northern Ireland is a part of the UK? But just that little tiny part? Really weird setup, I think I'd be super mad about that if I were Irish. Did they just try to invade and that's as far as they got or something?
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Sep 5, 2019 21:43
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oliwan posted:Why is it so difficult for americans to understand the ceremonial role of the monarchy We keep being distracted by the fact that you still have an entirely unguillotined monarch in TYoOL 2019, complete with a set of equally unguillotined lords who apparently have actual loving power
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Sep 5, 2019 21:49
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:what the gently caress is with his hair, does he not own a comb or hairbrush? A good distinctive character design is one that a 5 year old can draw from memory. He’s a posh Tory dickhead so beards and face tattoos are out, as is blatantly dying your hair - That leaves either a terrible haircut or a hitler mustache. The mustache comes later.
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Sep 5, 2019 21:49
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:what the gently caress is with his hair, does he not own a comb or hairbrush? he messes it up on purpose because it makes the press treat him like an eccentric goofball
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Sep 5, 2019 21:49
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Pryor on Fire posted:Ok just reading about the UK for the first time and what's up with that little tiny piece of the island they have next to them? Northern Ireland is a part of the UK? But just that little tiny part? Ireland rented out their unused top half but then the british wouldnt leave and have squatters rights
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Sep 5, 2019 21:53
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sometimes it just boggles my mind how much stuff the attlee government just sort of did it might have been one of the most effective five years of any government ever, unless one counts genocide as a policy
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Sep 5, 2019 21:57
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loquacius posted:what's up UK thread, is it still Wednesday in here or what did I do this right 
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Sep 5, 2019 22:08
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Pryor on Fire posted:I'm still super confused as to why the queen got dragged into this and supposedly approved the decision to suspend parliament. Did that just never really get written about or we are just pretending it never happened or what was the deal there? Look, they are starting a new round (or “rogue”) of parliament, so they need to “prorogue” it. But the only one with any power ceremonially is the queen. So she must ceremonially give away her power to the parliament, so she must be involved. And where does the queen get her power? From her ancestors who are buried in a “cairn” or stone tomb under Buckingham palace, which represents the realm of the dead. But the living can only cross the bridge between the realms of the living and the dead in the darkest phase of the lunar cycle, a.k.a. the “New Moon.” To guarantee that she will have enough time to do this, she is given 4 weeks (28 days, one full lunar cycle) to do the ritual in the cairn, plus one more week to prepare the speech. This is why there are 5 weeks of proroguement. On the night of the new moon she consults with the spirits of her ancestors in the cairn, and “charges up” the Golden Mace with parliamentary authority from the collective ancestors of the crown. Then she delivers a speech and the mace is returned to the House of Commons, newly recharged with ancient authority, and a new session (or “rogue”) of parliament can begin. The queen is the only one who can wear the crown, and thus the only one who contact the dead monarchs on the New Moon, so it is essential that she is involved. It may be largely ceremonial, but failing to comply would be a violation of the Druidic code by which Parliament functions, and if they didn’t do this, the whole house of commons would be considered “tainted” and they would have to ceremonially sacrifice them and throw them into a bog. This would require an entire set of local elections to be done, and even more delays (to prepare them for sacrifice, etc.), it would really be a giant headache. British parliamentary procedure may seem a bit old-fashioned at times, but it’s not as complicated as it seems, and really quite logical, and when you think about it it’s ultimately not very different from the American system.
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Sep 5, 2019 22:08
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V. Illych L. posted:sometimes it just boggles my mind how much stuff the attlee government just sort of did It really does. It's also what a lot of people (me included) are realising from all these Brexit shenanigans - that when you strip away all the convention and non-binding-but-traditional procedure, a British government with a strong majority can do virtually anything it wants, because it can just rewrite any rules it wishes with a 50%+1 majority. Of course that's slightly terrifying to consider with the wrong sort of government, but it explains how the Attlee ministry was able to do so much radical stuff - it wanted to and not much could get in it's way. Nationalise the entire transport infrastructure of the nation? Yep. Create an all-encompassing cradle-to-grave welfare state? Done! Embark on a massive country-wide housebuilding programme? Consider it done! Introduce a 75% top tax rate? Try and stop us! Radically reform the education system? Already on it! Capital controls? What u gonna do about it? The only reason no other government has gone quite so change-crazy is because they either lacked the political power or the will to use it since the status quo suits them very nicely, thanks.
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Sep 5, 2019 22:10
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Twitter has been completely taken over by snark and sarcasm and generally lovely comments, this combined with the legendary British wittiness and snark and sarcasm is just the perfect storm of disinformation. It's literally impossible to learn anything about this event, all articles and commentary are completely indistinguishable from sarcasm. It's like a black hole of information sarcasm now, nothing escapes and no new info is created, only destroyed.
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Sep 5, 2019 22:14
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oliwan posted:Why is it so difficult for americans to understand the ceremonial role of the monarchy because its stupid as gently caress that you haven't beheaded them in the past 200 years
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Sep 5, 2019 22:15
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you almost got rid of them but then you had the stupid idea of inviting them back after you killed charles
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Sep 5, 2019 22:16
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Pryor on Fire posted:Ok just reading about the UK for the first time and what's up with that little tiny piece of the island they have next to them? Northern Ireland is a part of the UK? But just that little tiny part? The English invaded Ireland just to stop the Spanish from trying to establish a foothold. And got the whole island, as the irish were bog men tribal at the time. Then they spent centuries treating the Irish like poo poo, even more so when the Famine happened, until the Irish booted them out at the start of the 1900s. But they wanted to keep the rich parts of it, the shipping cities and trading centers in the north, where most of the english descended lived.
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Sep 5, 2019 22:18
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i mean my only slight hesitation about abolishing the royal family is that I can't decide whether they ought to be publicly guillotined or ignominiously shot to death in a cellar in deepest darkest Yorkshire, but I would 100% take a powerless figurehead monarch and a parliamentary system that explicitly recognises that you can do whatever you want if you can get people to vote for it over whatever the gently caress they've got going on in America
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Sep 5, 2019 22:23
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Pryor on Fire posted:I'm still super confused as to why the queen got dragged into this and supposedly approved the decision to suspend parliament. Did that just never really get written about or we are just pretending it never happened or what was the deal there? It's really simple. Like the president taking the census data and handing it over to Congress, the queen has some ceremonial duties in the running of the British democracy.
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Sep 5, 2019 22:23
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if you want some inane weird part of the US system where people have oversized power that is actually a simple ceremonial formality that nobody pays attention to look no further than the electoral college’s electors.
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Sep 5, 2019 22:26
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Brits continuing to ignore the evidence that your monarchy isn't quite as ceremonial as you all insist is the least unusual thing about 2019.
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Sep 5, 2019 22:28
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Family Values posted:Brits continuing to ignore the evidence that your monarchy isn't quite as ceremonial as you all insist is the least unusual thing about 2019. yeah, i can't believe they still let the queen have all the swans
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Sep 5, 2019 22:32
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if its just ceremonial replace them with homer's drinking bird and be done with it
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Sep 5, 2019 22:33
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we won't know until they test it what happens if they actually try ruling again and until then they have an unacceptable level of influence because of their massive inherited wealth and being able to write/say poo poo in private to politicians, but I'm not sure the American aristocracy is much better because they happen to be the descendants of people who were extremely cunty in the 19th and 20th centuries as opposed to people who were really cunty in centuries 10 to 20
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Sep 5, 2019 22:34
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The US has a magical ceremonial mace that grants congress authority as well, btw quote:In one of its first resolutions, the U.S. House of Representatives of the 1st Federal Congress (April 14, 1789) established the Office of the Sergeant at Arms. The resolution stated "a proper symbol of office shall be provided for the Sergeant at Arms, of such form and device as the Speaker shall direct." It’s really no different than the way the British Mace works, people just talk about it way less. All governments have silly ceremonial procedures that they have accumulated over time.
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Sep 5, 2019 22:35
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twoday posted:The US has a magical ceremonial mace that grants congress authority as well, btw It's "based on the Roman fasces," huh
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Sep 5, 2019 22:36
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redleader posted:yeah, i can't believe they still let the queen have all the swans Please, it's only the unmarked mute swans.
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Sep 5, 2019 22:36
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Raskolnikov38 posted:if its just ceremonial replace them with homer's drinking bird and be done with it agreed although we've already got a mace that is the queen, so we just need to get rid of the actual physical queen and her reptilian spawn and you probably don't even need to change any actual laws
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Sep 5, 2019 22:36
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you just noticed the fascist symbols
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Sep 5, 2019 22:36
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Civilized Fishbot posted:It's "based on the Roman fasces," huh While only based on it, there are two unambiguous literal fasces on the wall behind it which flank the speaker
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Sep 5, 2019 22:38
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Civilized Fishbot posted:It's "based on the Roman fasces," huh it didn’t really have the same connotations until Mussolini
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Sep 5, 2019 22:38
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im learning so much today (wednesday)
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Sep 5, 2019 22:39
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the US Senate needs a wool sack too. Make sure that the left side of it is good and mic'd up for making comments.
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Sep 5, 2019 22:41
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https://mobile.twitter.com/BigPaulieDoyle/status/1169529997935239168
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Sep 5, 2019 22:43
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Yeah lol, swans, oh and also veto power over new laws.
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Sep 5, 2019 22:44
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Sep 5, 2019 22:44
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twoday posted:While only based on it, there are two unambiguous literal fasces on the wall behind it which flank the speaker and a fourth fasces in the capitol building's huge ceiling painting of george washington's literally becoming a god. they're like hidden mickeys at disneyworld
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Sep 5, 2019 22:45
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Kaedric posted:did I do this right no you should have used "img" tags not "url"
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Sep 5, 2019 22:49
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hobbesmaster posted:it didn’t really have the same connotations until Mussolini Yeah, fasces were a pretty common symbol in trade unionism before Mussolini
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Sep 5, 2019 22:56
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Pryor on Fire posted:Ok just reading about the UK for the first time and what's up with that little tiny piece of the island they have next to them? Northern Ireland is a part of the UK? But just that little tiny part? If you're new to Brexit I'd recommend going through the beginner levels before trying to tackle the advanced missions like Northern Ireland.
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Sep 5, 2019 22:59
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Hey, not sure if my save can be salvaged or what. I seem to have fallen into some sort of glitch. Brexit keeps approaching, but every time I try to do something to stop it, it just fails automatically and starts me over again. Weirdly, last time it happened, it also added 6 months to the timer. So now I'm just stuck in this endless loop where I can't make any progress. I really don't want to give up this save but I have no idea what to do.
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Sep 5, 2019 23:03
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projecthalaxy posted:the US Senate needs a wool sack too. Make sure that the left side of it is good and mic'd up for making comments. good to see there are some wool sack fans in this thread
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Sep 5, 2019 23:05
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The Narrator posted:Hey, not sure if my save can be salvaged or what. I seem to have fallen into some sort of glitch. Brexit keeps approaching, but every time I try to do something to stop it, it just fails automatically and starts me over again. Weirdly, last time it happened, it also added 6 months to the timer. So now I'm just stuck in this endless loop where I can't make any progress. I really don't want to give up this save but I have no idea what to do. that's what supposed to happen when you're going for the "good ending", I won't spoil anything for you but it's absolutely worth wait. keep at it.
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Sep 5, 2019 23:08
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Civilized Fishbot posted:It's "based on the Roman fasces," huh The Lincoln Memorial has fasces carved right into the front of it. It wasn't an uncommon symbol before you-know-who.
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