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Speaking of etymology, why the gently caress was there an Iberia and an Albania in the Caucasus?
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Sep 6, 2019 00:58
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One of the legendary explanations for the creation of Iberia is that when Alexander the Great was invading the Caucuses he was unable to defeat the tribes of Gog and Magog and so built a giant iron gate at one of the passes in the mountains and left a contingent behind to guard the gate, established some cities, and went further on towards Persia and Bactria. When he died, Iberia was a kingdom which formed from those who guarded the gate, a land which was described in the middle ages as being perpetually shrouded in fog. Not sure where the name comes from, and I don’t think that anything I just told you is historically accurate. Albania was another land nearby, named after the Greek version of the name of the people who lived there, possibly related to the Alans.
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Sep 6, 2019 01:25
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Fuzzy McDoom posted:It's just a rebranded version of BC\AD for the secular crowd, while also having a vaguely universalist claim to dates, sort of like a global metric system for history that just so happens to be exactly like the entrenched western european christian calendar Real hurthling! posted:those names are modern academic parlance for ad and bc which was the cusp of what the council of nicea in the 300s ad decided was jesus' birth year. Alright, makes sense to me.
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Sep 6, 2019 01:35
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albania shares a indo european root with alps to mean mountainous
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Sep 6, 2019 01:37
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Real hurthling! posted:albania shares a indo european root with alps to mean mountainous THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU SHARE A ROOT WITH THE ALPS
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Sep 6, 2019 01:41
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Real hurthling! posted:albania shares a indo european root with alps to mean mountainous Is this the same as the Gaelic word for Scotland, Alba?
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Sep 6, 2019 01:50
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Whorelord posted:Is this the same as the Gaelic word for Scotland, Alba? idk. check wiktionary
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Sep 6, 2019 01:55
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i checked wiktionary says its from proto gaelic for white, see also alba, latin for white from the same IE root. heres the page for that root edit: oops they didnt make the page yet just a link. Real hurthling! has issued a correction as of 02:00 on Sep 6, 2019 |
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Sep 6, 2019 01:57
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twoday posted:One of the legendary explanations for the creation of Iberia is that when Alexander the Great was invading the Caucuses he was unable to defeat the tribes of Gog and Magog and so built a giant iron gate at one of the passes in the mountains and left a contingent behind to guard the gate, established some cities, and went further on towards Persia and Bactria. When he died, Iberia was a kingdom which formed from those who guarded the gate, a land which was described in the middle ages as being perpetually shrouded in fog. Not sure where the name comes from, and I don’t think that anything I just told you is historically accurate. When I went to Georgia I bought a book of Georgian legends and folk tales and they're generally just a bunch of horrific fever dreams. In one, a bunch of evil spirits who eat people captures a dude and takes him to their lair in the mountains and force him and a bunch of others capture snakes to make medicine from their blood, while fattening up a female captive. Having fattened up a woman enough, the evil spirits hang her form the ceiling and flay her, collecting the blood in a tub below. Seeing this, our hero decides to kill himself by drinking some of the snake blood medicine, which instead causes him to lose his mind. When he comes to his senses, he notices he has a swelling under his arm. After he cuts it open, a bunch of insects fall out of the wound and he now has the ability to understand the language of everything that exists, even inanimate objects. He escapes, but knowing the language of everything that exists is incredibly annoying, because trees, wheat and shriek in pain as if they're people. As a result he finds it impossible to farm or chop firewood, and so falls into poverty until his wife forces him to get off his arse and actually do something. He later gets conscripted into the army and falls out of a tower and dies, the end. There's also a Hunting Goddess who's so arbitrary and cruel that she makes the Greek Gods look reasonable. Whorelord has issued a correction as of 02:12 on Sep 6, 2019 |
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Sep 6, 2019 02:09
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I love crazy local myths and folklore Here's the "history" of the founding of the Kingdom of Minangkabau in modern Indonesia quote:In the beginning there was only the Light of Mohammad, through which God created the universe. From the Light came angels and Adam, and from Adam descended Alexander the Great, whose wife was a nymph from Paradise. Upon his death, the three sons of Alexander the Great, Diraja, Alif, and Depang, set sail around the world, taking with them their late father's crown. Some say the princes argued rightful ownership; some say their ship ran aground. But the crown was lost in the sea. A follower of Diraja, a trickster and master gold-smith, fashioned a replica of the crown and urged Diraja to tell his brothers he had found the original. Diraja did so, claiming the crown as his own. At this, the brothers parted. Prince Depang sailed off to the Land of Sunrise, becoming Emperor of Japan; Prince Alif traveled to the Land of Sunset, where he proclaimed himself Sultan of Turkey. Prince Diraja found the Land between Sunrise and Sunset, finding himself at the top of a mountain. It was there that the Minangkabau world began, with Maharajah Diraja as its first king. pre-colonial Malaysia seems to have had a very. . . fuzzy understanding of western history. There's a bunch of stories like this There's even a movie where a Roman prince marries a Chinese princess in Malaysia for some reason. Looks kind of awesome tbh:  The Malay Chronicles: Bloodlines Squalid has issued a correction as of 02:50 on Sep 6, 2019 |
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Sep 6, 2019 02:47
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Squalid posted:I love crazy local myths and folklore makes more sense than the Aeneid
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Sep 6, 2019 03:19
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aeneid book 6 owns really hard because it is incredibly stupid and asskissy the ghosts of future romans who arent born yet but already lived their lives and have the marks of glory or gloominess of untimely death etc do a conga line in front of the hero so he can stop to ask questions about why augustus is so awesome and cool. in other books its a metaphor to augustus but in book 6 its literally the eternal spirit of the unborn augustus and his family showing up and the hero weeping because a greatnephew who will live in 3000 years got plague at age 19 and his ghost looked sad. vergil died on a sea voyage as a guest of augustus while finishing the poem. i wonder if the emperor was like "well its already propaganda, no one will notice if we change some poo poo just to make it more clear"
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Sep 6, 2019 03:38
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aeneid was pretty boring but at least Virgil didn't write a self-insert and have all his favorite authors come in for a huuuge party to say how smart and awesome he is, like Dante did. Ancient fan fiction isn't much better than the modern stuff
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Sep 6, 2019 03:46
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Alexander romances are pretty interesting. You really see how an It even made it so Iceland and became the saga of Alexander. * My mistake, it wasn't orally transmitted but I think it ended up as oral ballads in some places. Grevling has issued a correction as of 04:04 on Sep 6, 2019 |
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Sep 6, 2019 03:57
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i dont find it boring but i teach it so maybe its a defense mechanism to avoid suicide. vergils command of sound, metaphor, structure, rhythm, etc really is divine. theres parts where all at once all the words have repeating sounds in them that mirror the action, the elision of syllables in the performance necessary to keep the meter creates hidden and highly appropriate greek words out of the Latin, the jumbled sentence structure puts words into positions where they form visual relationships with one another by virtue of their placement, and the content of the lines is a really satisfying metaphor evoking base human experience like dream states, eyes playing tricks, colors/smells, etc like the kind of stuff that takes 40 mins per paragraph to unpack and discuss.
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Sep 6, 2019 04:04
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The Aeneid rocks. Aeneas mercilessly killing his rival as he begs for mercy and then the story just abruptly ending is great.
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Sep 6, 2019 04:16
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i can't read latin so I missed all the sweet wordplay I guess so maybe i'm just not classy(cal) enough to appreciate it. Thinking back about it though I literally cannot remember anything in the story at all except for Dido killing herself and probably only that because it gets repeated in pop culture references. Uh they leave Troy. . . sexy time with Dido. . and then they're stuck on Sicily? uh. . . and then they escape (from what?) to Italy. . . and the gods scheme. . . something something marriage and end with the revenge killing Really could have used more cyclopes imo thatfatkid posted:The Aeneid rocks. Aeneas mercilessly killing his rival as he begs for mercy and then the story just abruptly ending is great. yeah that's the one part I can remember.the story needed more action
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Sep 6, 2019 04:22
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Whorelord posted:Is this the same as the Gaelic word for Scotland, Alba? Alba is the gaelic word for all of britain, referring to the white cliffs of dover iirc edit: referring to their whiteness rather than their cliffness Peanut President has issued a correction as of 04:30 on Sep 6, 2019 |
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Sep 6, 2019 04:27
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ikanreed posted:If it wasn't for the Normans you'd all be speaking German Too late since the mishmash english language still has germanic influence due to anglo-saxon.
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Sep 6, 2019 04:36
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What the gently caress is the deal with Albania anyway? They speak some bonkers rear end hill language that nobody understands but they’re right there between rome and greece and were part of rome for 1000 years
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Sep 6, 2019 07:30
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Flavius Aetass posted:How does everyone feel about the term "Dark Ages" and the associated connotations?
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Sep 6, 2019 08:34
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Real hurthling! posted:i checked wiktionary says its from proto gaelic for white, see also alba, latin for white from the same IE root. I found a page that explains the toponyms of all three Albanias: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania_(placename)
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Sep 6, 2019 10:43
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etalian posted:Too late since the mishmash english language still has germanic influence due to anglo-saxon. I know I just wanted to fit the form of ww2 nationalism
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Sep 6, 2019 14:12
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as someone on the forums once said, English is 5 languages sitting on each other's shoulders and wearing a giant raincoat, pretending to be a single real language
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Sep 6, 2019 14:20
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https://twitter.com/DocCrom/status/1169642164688687105?s=20
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Sep 6, 2019 14:20
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for all we know nero and caligula were cool as hell and the aristocrats hated them because of how cool they were, and made up a bunch of slanderous bullshit
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Sep 6, 2019 15:14
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I sincerely doubt that anyone with that kind of literal neckbeard could have been "cool as hell"
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Sep 6, 2019 15:15
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Rad ancient neckbeard. It's like a lil Roman mane 
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Sep 6, 2019 15:19
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twoday posted:I sincerely doubt that anyone with that kind of literal neckbeard could have been "cool as hell" he actually looked like chad and they altered the statues afterward to ruin his legacy
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Sep 6, 2019 15:20
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Marcus, take a chisel to that jawline, file away that bitching mustache! We can't let future generations know the truth!
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Sep 6, 2019 15:29
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emperor claudius' last words: concacavi me "i poo poo myself"
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Sep 6, 2019 15:30
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im down af to rehabilitate nero but that project probably needs to start with making his mom aggripina resemble a human and not a golem of ambition and sex abuse like current sources do
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Sep 6, 2019 15:34
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ikanreed posted:If it wasn't for the Normans you'd all be speaking German It would be closer to Dutch, which is worse
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Sep 6, 2019 15:36
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dat is een knurftnaarlingsslapjanusmening!
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Sep 6, 2019 16:04
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Real hurthling! posted:im down af to rehabilitate nero but that project probably needs to start with making his mom aggripina resemble a human and not a golem of ambition and sex abuse like current sources do Maybe we could not try to rehabilitate the guy who kicked his pregnant wife to death?
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Sep 6, 2019 16:09
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Alhazred posted:Maybe we could not try to rehabilitate the guy who kicked his pregnant wife to death? Oh man wait until you find out that the Romans did mass slavery and made people fight to death for their amusement
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Sep 6, 2019 16:22
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ikanreed posted:Oh man wait until you find out that the Romans did mass slavery and made people fight to death for their amusement there's plenty of cool dudes from roman history who never kicked a pregnant woman to death, like spartacus or the gracchi
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Sep 6, 2019 16:31
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zhuge liang posted:there's plenty of cool dudes from roman history who never kicked a pregnant woman to death, like spartacus or the gracchi I'm just saying all Roman leadership was bad
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Sep 6, 2019 16:45
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Alhazred posted:Maybe we could not try to rehabilitate the guy who kicked his pregnant wife to death? fake news by corrupt historians
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Sep 6, 2019 16:54
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Pretty much all ancient leaders were warmongers who killed thousands of innocent people. IMO it's tiresome to bring it up all the time unless someone is clearly inappropriately idolizing them as a source for modern morality.
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Sep 6, 2019 16:59
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