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Yeah ok I'll qualify that with "most 'OGT' people" then. I've seen mostly positive reactions I guess, which is what I meant.
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Is it just me, or is there really bad clipping around 7:00-8:00 in Invincible?
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angrygodofjebus posted:Yeah ok I'll qualify that with "most 'OGT' people" then. I've seen mostly positive reactions I guess, which is what I meant. I think it's overall not good, and I was a giant Tool fanboy going back to eighth grade. But my musical taste is radically different from what it was when I was younger, so I probably don't count.
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7empest should be 7 minutes long I mean duh
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TOOT BOOT posted:I have the same kind of ambivalent feeling towards this as I do Eat The Elephant. It's very jarring to jump forward 15 years with a band. Eat the Elephant was a trainwreck of utterly forgettable music that only proved that Howerdel is out of good ideas and the previous albums were obviously a collaborative effort with musicians far more qualified than he. They should just do a studio version of their Diary of a Lovesong Mashup and call it a day.
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I don't know if it was the other musicians, apparently Howerdel already had almost all of Mer de Noms written before they even put the band together. Songs he'd spent his whole youth making, which is kind of hard to replicate later (though Thirteenth Step was really good).
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I think Descending is the most important song on the album that no one will pay attention to. The message ends 7 minutes in and then it's nothing but a glorious rise after that. 10 minutes 30 is when people should be playing it on the best speakers they have at a volume that gets the cops called on them. It's by far my favourite track on this album and I really hope they do a video for it.
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Sep 2, 2019 08:22
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ICHIBAHN posted:Yeah Maynard is mostly Mia on this album I wish they'd do their next album in the opposite direction, starting with Maynard lyrics and basic vocals and then having the other three build up from that. Maybe that would also prevent endless years of tinkering on Adam's part, too?
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Lester Shy posted:Is it just me, or is there really bad clipping around 7:00-8:00 in Invincible? It's DR7 & peaks at positive so it does seem likely
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Sep 2, 2019 17:57
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Island Nation posted:It's DR7 & peaks at positive so it does seem likely there seems to be significantly less clipping in the 24/96 hi-res version of the album.
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Sep 2, 2019 18:18
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This album is like someone took a bunch of sound clips from lateralus and then spliced them together. I listened to it on a drive yesterday and it was like long songs for the sake of long songs. I don't know. Nothing hit me like lateralus, jambi, schism. I dunno boys.
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Yeah, you only have to go back and listen to an older tool song to be like "this is the coherency I enjoy" A fantasy part of my brain has them releasing a far more straightforward hard rock/metal album in a couple years. It would also be fun.
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A straightforward rock record full of five minute songs would be refreshing as hell.
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That would be great but I think we've probably pushed our luck even getting this album
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CODChimera posted:That would be great but I think we've probably pushed our luck even getting this album Well we got it, so now we can look to the next one! They've said there will be a next one, which is more than they said directly after 10,000 days so I don't think there's harm in hoping. I would like to see either an album of 5-6 minute songs or see them lean into weirder instruments a la GSYBE if they want to do long rear end songs. I appreciate this album but if you're going to play a 15 minute song, drum/bass/guitar/vocals isn't necessarily the way to go. They did branch out a bit with instruments in this one, but not as much as say Radiohead or NIN to mention their typical fanbase contemporaries.
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Origami Dali posted:A straightforward rock record full of five minute songs would be refreshing as hell. gently caress yeah. They’ve explored this hole long enough. There’s enough talent in this band to make some very very good SONGS I mean a sign of maturity is growing up. Can we have “The Division Bell” of Tool
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Nail Rat posted:Well we got it, so now we can look to the next one! i thought the deal with the long delay was they were tied up by a series of lawsuits after getting screwed over by an insurance company
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Album is good but clipping is bad  7empest should be 7 minutes long, I mean duh. Culling Voices is the worst song imo. Pneuma, Invincible, Descending and 7empest more than make up for it though. Chocolate chip trip and mockingbeat are my favorite inner songs. I pretty actively dislike the French one. drat I wish I’d never read about the clipping cause now I can’t not hear it. Lackmaster fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Sep 3, 2019 |
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Nutsak posted:I think Descending is the most important song on the album that no one will pay attention to. The message ends 7 minutes in and then it's nothing but a glorious rise after that. 10 minutes 30 is when people should be playing it on the best speakers they have at a volume that gets the cops called on them. It's by far my favourite track on this album and I really hope they do a video for it. Totally agreed on the ending of Descending, the live audio of it has been around since the start of the year and it's finally amazing to hear the final version.
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vandalism posted:...long songs for the sake of long songs.... Nothing hit me like lateralus, jambi, schism. I dunno boys. Fair enough, but I will say that Pneuma absolutely kicked me right in the drat face straight away. I love that song. (But if you were to say it could be like two minutes shorter I wouldn't argue.)
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I would totally go in for an album of songs that were 5-6min max.
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Nutsak posted:I think Descending is the most important song on the album that no one will pay attention to. The message ends 7 minutes in and then it's nothing but a glorious rise after that. 10 minutes 30 is when people should be playing it on the best speakers they have at a volume that gets the cops called on them. It's by far my favourite track on this album and I really hope they do a video for it. But gently caress the vocals at the start jesus
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Gave the album two listens and where the gently caress is the "oomph"? I know it's been ages since the last Tool album but each album had some rocking songs where this album just has the same ponderous 8 minutes song done over and over again. Now I am not against Tool doing ponderous 8 minutes songs, but they usually save that for 2 or 3 songs per album, but this one it is done for about 8 (with the other two songs being "filler"). I just wanted a song that hits hard, goes fast and you can crank it up to. Also Invincible is just embarrassing and should have been about 4 minutes shorter (which I could say about most of the songs but for some reason Invincible just stuck out as the worst offender of terribleness).
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Sep 3, 2019 17:51
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they're old now and just want to make chill music
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The end of fear innoculum is the most egrigious "song could have ended by now" moment in the album. It straight up could just end with the "Deceiver Chased away A long time Coming" bit and moved on but then theres a heavy bit which isn't actually heavy and a half assed talkbox solo and a DUN NUN NUN NUN NUN NUN stab bit of which there are already a comical amount on the album.
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Lester Shy posted:Is it just me, or is there really bad clipping around 7:00-8:00 in Invincible? There is clipping in quite a few places, it exists on most of the standard released stuff, but is not present on the 24Bit/96khz release.
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BigHandsVince posted:There is clipping in quite a few places, it exists on most of the standard released stuff, but is not present on the 24Bit/96khz release. I wish this was true. One file is the 24/96 version from HDTracks, the other is the CD release. 
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Yeah, that's unacceptable. I was listening to 7empest on a good quality stereo and it's like every drum fill is full of static. Just wait for the vinyl, if they actually take the time to master it.
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The vinyl releases could be interesting because, ugh, how do you sequence this? You could sequence the full version (and you may as well make it the full version) in order on two LPs but you'll have sides of 22, 18, 24, and 22 minutes. That's not unheard of but I certainly hope it's not a picture disc. Even with 3LP you're ending up with at least one 22 minute side unless you're going to put Fear Inoculum and Pneuma on their own sides, and if you go that route and cut out the extra interludes, you will end up with a 3 LP where each side is one song except side E with Culling Voices and Chocolate Chip Trip. Edit: on looking at it, you could do the full ten song tracklist in order without exceeding 20 per side with a 3 LP. That's probably what they'll do, to the tune of $80. Nail Rat fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Sep 5, 2019 |
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While my nearest FYE was nice enough to offer to burn us a copy for "only" $15.99, I can't find a CD anywhere. Did they only release the limited edition on CD or what? I could've sworn I read they were doing a limited/regular/digital and vinyl release.
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Chacmool posted:While my nearest FYE was nice enough to offer to burn us a copy for "only" $15.99, I can't find a CD anywhere. Did they only release the limited edition on CD or what? I could've sworn I read they were doing a limited/regular/digital and vinyl release. There's no regular CD release. There's going to be a vinyl version, supposedly several, but those will be later.
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my bony fealty posted:they're old now and just want to make chill music which is funny / inverse for me: The older I get and more-rapidly I settle into my middle-age (lol) the more I gravitate towards hyper/up tempo poo poo precisely not to nod off every few minutes. So far this album has been negating the effects of coffee.
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Chacmool posted:While my nearest FYE was nice enough to offer to burn us a copy for "only" $15.99, I can't find a CD anywhere. Did they only release the limited edition on CD or what? I could've sworn I read they were doing a limited/regular/digital and vinyl release. https://twitter.com/Tool/status/1169713108635381760 Of course the link they posted is hosed up, but it's here until midnight tonight: https://store.toolband.com/collections/all/products/tool-fear-inoculum-limited-edition-cd-package
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"small additional quantity" "limit 5 per order"
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God help me, I'm actually doing a fan edit of this loving album.
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Origami Dali posted:God help me, I'm actually doing a fan edit of this loving album. I was thinking of doing the same.
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Origami Dali posted:God help me, I'm actually doing a fan edit of this loving album. Can you try to edit some choruses into the drat thing? Or at least some memorable riffs aside from Adam Jones literally opening a song with King Crimson’s “Frame by Frame”?
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doppler posted:I wish this was true. One file is the 24/96 version from HDTracks, the other is the CD release. I tried to get that program to work, but it just crashes when I hit detailed analysis. I thought clipping was more than one consecutive sample at maximum? There doesn't appear to be any max samples in here.  Or does the clipping occur before when mixing? (it looks like there is some peaks that might have been higher, but have been rounded off to stay below 1). Trying to visualize what people are talking about because it sounds good on all my stuff.
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Origami Dali posted:God help me, I'm actually doing a fan edit of this loving album. Can you get rid of the spoken word bit in the title track?
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My ears aren't sensitive enough to notice lovely production stuff  Just wanted to say the more I listen to this album, the more and more I like it. But gently caress Invincible is just really goddamn good.
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