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Duck and Cover posted:Oh and emotional thing? Yeah get the gently caress off the road, you want adrenaline get some in a manor that doesn't endanger others. Being able to quickly get to the right spot to make a lane change is both more safe and also emotionally satisfying.
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Charles posted:Are there alternatives to powerwall that aren't vaporware or DIY? https://sonnenusa.com/en/sonnenbatterie/ Sunpower uses them as part of their system, so any sunpower dealer in your area can probably get one
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stirlo posted:Jalopnik cut a Taycan in half! Oh hey a Japolik article worth reading.... like RAELLY worth reading. Thanks for the link  Wow there's interesting ideas in there.
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Ulf posted:I don’t think so, but I feel the same about storage that I feel about solar: I’d rather my utility did it because they can do it way more cheaply and efficiently. Doing it closer to generation is a lot more efficient, no? The fewer metres of wire between the PV panels and my car's battery the better, I figure. They can probably get a better price on capacity, to be sure.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Oh hey a Japolik article worth reading.... like RAELLY worth reading. Thanks for the link
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ilkhan posted:No Jalopnik article is worth reading. Ususally I'm the first to agree. But that article is genuinely good poo poo to dig through so call it a unicorn, have a read and like me then go back to rightly hanging poo poo on Jalopnik.
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ilkhan posted:No, Jalopnik article is worth reading. Or you can just flick through all the fairly cool graphics in it! This one is definitely worth clicking, long and detailed.
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Ulf posted:I don’t think so, but I feel the same about storage that I feel about solar: I’d rather my utility did it because they can do it way more cheaply and efficiently. That said I do have rooftop solar because my utility is run by climate change denialists and don’t offer a means for funding renewables (it’s an REA co-op for those that know what that means). Sure, if the power company stopped having decades old underground power cables fail.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Oh hey a Japolik article worth reading.... like RAELLY worth reading. Thanks for the link David Tracy writes very good stuff.
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MomJeans420 posted:This map is for 2014, but it shows what subsidy should be given to EVs in relation to their total pollution cost to the local area: That reminds me of the map which showed how many miles per gallon you'd have to get for a gas car to be the less polluting option. I don't remember when it was actually made, but I do remember it being a bit more pro-EV than that map, at least when one considers what the average American actually drives. And in other news, Tesla filed a patent for a new wiper which uses a linear motor to move the length of the windshield: https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=US251287101&tab=NATIONALBIBLIO&_cid=P20-K086T1-57866-1 Given the high price tags on those kinds of motors, that would probably be limited to the new Roadster. At least it's more feasible than that cold gas thruster Elon Musk was bragging about.
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Cockmaster posted:That reminds me of the map which showed how many miles per gallon you'd have to get for a gas car to be the less polluting option. I don't remember when it was actually made, but I do remember it being a bit more pro-EV than that map, at least when one considers what the average American actually drives. You're probably thinking about this map:  (from here: https://blog.ucsusa.org/dave-reichmuth/new-data-show-electric-vehicles-continue-to-get-cleaner)
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MaxxBot posted:Being able to quickly get to the right spot to make a lane change is both more safe and also emotionally satisfying. Sure, but as your car becomes more and more powerful the situations where that extra acceleration is important becomes less and less. No one needs Tesla acceleration. Any safety gained is probably (I don't have statistics this is just my guess) negated by people who know they have tons of acceleration being more aggressive when they drive.
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I wish more people would agree with you about all these people recklessly accelerating in their overpowered Teslas, it's insanity! Personally I have only driven, three-cylinder Geo Metros, for fear I might heedlessly use anything more than the bare minimum of horspeowers to reach the posted speed limit, and accelerate at a reckless clip. In fact, I believe the government should issue all of us vehicles, tailored to our personal needs, with no more than 100 horsepowers, and electronic speed limiting at 60mph, that would show all the hooligans in this forum, with their fast accelerations and environmentally irresponsible "tire burns".
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Duck and Cover posted:Sure, but as your car becomes more and more powerful the situations where that extra acceleration is important becomes less and less. No one needs Tesla acceleration. Any safety gained is probably (I don't have statistics this is just my guess) negated by people who know they have tons of acceleration being more aggressive when they drive. The rapid acceleration isn't a deliberate design goal, it's an inherent property of the drive train. Electric motors have full torque at 0 RPM, while IC engines are efficient in a fairly narrow band. That's why IC cars have multi-speed transmissions, while ECs generally don't. I guess Tesla and others could have added current limiters to reduce the acceleration, but that's just more parts to break without any tangible benefit.
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Duck and Cover posted:. No one needs Tesla acceleration. You sound like an angry boomer whining about dem bad LIEberals, their climate change and vaccines
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Elviscat posted:I wish more people would agree with you about all these people recklessly accelerating in their overpowered Teslas, it's insanity! Personally I have only driven, three-cylinder Geo Metros, for fear I might heedlessly use anything more than the bare minimum of horspeowers to reach the posted speed limit, and accelerate at a reckless clip. In fact, I believe the government should issue all of us vehicles, tailored to our personal needs, with no more than 100 horsepowers, and electronic speed limiting at 60mph, that would show all the hooligans in this forum, with their fast accelerations and environmentally irresponsible "tire burns". Yeah and when the government funded public transportation network is fully built out they should take away the geo metros, too.
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Deteriorata posted:I guess Tesla and others could have added current limiters to reduce the acceleration, but that's just more parts to break without any tangible benefit. I feel like I remember the BMW i3 did this for awhile and might still. Some car YouTuber was saying it had some delay to simulate a gasoline engine. I do remember reading an article that evs get into slightly more collisions (like <5% more) but I cannot seem to find it again so I have no idea if it was credible.
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Westy543 posted:I feel like I remember the BMW i3 did this for awhile and might still. Some car YouTuber was saying it had some delay to simulate a gasoline engine. IIRC, Tesla has a "chill mode" or something that limits the acceleration. It's not like the gas pedal is a huge pot, the motors are electronically controlled so they can easily map full throttle to like 10%.
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Deteriorata posted:The rapid acceleration isn't a deliberate design goal, Yeah it totally is, they could have easily used less powerful motors, like a Leaf or Kona EV. But come on that poo poo sells cars, and "Model S is faster than a Ferrari" buzz gave the car a huge boost over what would have otherwise been a bland car with a big screen. (I don't fault them for it at all, it was a great plan and hell yeah silent face ripping acceleration)
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Compared to an ICE car there is much less little incremental cost to delivering a higher-output electric motor.
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Westy543 posted:I feel like I remember the BMW i3 did this for awhile and might still. Some car YouTuber was saying it had some delay to simulate a gasoline engine. They ramp it up gradually it to limit wear on the drivetrain and also to limit the maximum current, IIRC. KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Compared to an ICE car there is much less little incremental cost to delivering a higher-output electric motor. Yeah, but the motor is only part of it. The battery needs to be able to spew out enough electrons, one cell can only supply so much so that's where the cost is. An ICE can draw thousands of hp from fuel pouring out of a plastic bucket.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Compared to an ICE car there is much less little incremental cost to delivering a higher-output electric motor. Also, if you don't want a multi-ratio transmission, you kinda get impressive acceleration as part of the design due to the motor requirements.
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Ola posted:They ramp it up gradually it to limit wear on the drivetrain and also to limit the maximum current, IIRC. a clean sheet ICE motor is... absurdly expensive to design
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VW is revealing the production ID3 in about six minutes. But it’s not homologated for the US.
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A shame! My S/O wanted something in the form factor of an e-golf with more range. We're going to get a Kona instead early next year, she doesn't super care for the Crozz (nor does she want to wait another year). Aren't the early Crozzes going to be made at the same factory for awhile until Chattanooga is up and running?
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drgitlin posted:VW is revealing the production ID3 in about six minutes. But it’s not homologated for the US. Is this streaming / being shown anywhere?
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Is this streaming / being shown anywhere? I imagine some of the US sites might have something up already if they weren’t here, since VW only made the photos available to us nine minutes ago and that’s a lot easier to post if you’re not in a crowd of 500 people. I’ll post something at Ars once I’m back at the hotel later this evening.
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Some photos here: https://insideevs.com/news/369758/vw-id3-electric-car-debuts-range-342-miles/  
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drgitlin posted:VW is revealing the production ID3 in about six minutes. But it’s not homologated for the US. Why is this? Do they just feel the market isn't ready?
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RZA Encryption posted:Why is this? Do they just feel the market isn't ready? Requirements for the EU are different enough from the US that it's a lot cheaper to only launch a car in one place, especially if that one place is where your company's based.
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Well that's about average level ugly for a VW.
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RZA Encryption posted:Why is this? Do they just feel the market isn't ready? Basically everywhere in the world except for the US and Canada use the UN World Forum for Harmonization of Vehicle Regulations standards (sometimes referred to as WP.29 or UNECE standards) for vehicle safety. The US instead has the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS) and Canada has the very similar Canadian Motor Vehicle Safety Standards. CMVSS is largely based on FMVSS and vehicles can usually be compatible with both with nothing more than software tweaks and different speedometer/odometers (which may also just be software these days). It also allows for the UN standards to be substituted in many cases, which is part of why Canada can get some new cars the US doesn't. It is not technically possible to produce a single vehicle that is compliant with both UN and FMVSS standards. A vehicle produced for the entire world market has at minimum three physical variants; US LHD, RoW LHD, and RHD. I guess technically the upcoming McLaren with the center driving position should only need two variants, if they even bother to homologate it for the US rather than just leaning on Show and Display.
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RZA Encryption posted:Why is this? Do they just feel the market isn't ready? I’ll have a proper answer tomorrow because I’ve got a meeting with the heads of VW and VW North America, but I am prepared to bet the answer will be “Americans won’t buy expensive hatchbacks” or something.
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RZA Encryption posted:Why is this? Do they just feel the market isn't ready? Sure, we're third in the world after China and Europe, but what EV owners we do have are pretty sold on a particular auto maker:  wolrah posted:It is not technically possible to produce a single vehicle that is compliant with both UN and FMVSS standards. Ulf fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Sep 9, 2019 |
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Converting the WLTP ID3 range to EPA still gets you ~290 miles for the long range on 77 kWh for an efficiency of ~270 wh/mile, not bad at all, compared to the model 3 and bolt's ~250 wh/mile. I think it looks pretty good in teal. They still tried to ~future~ it up but not in the EXTREME way the i3 did.
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Westy543 posted:Some photos here: https://insideevs.com/news/369758/vw-id3-electric-car-debuts-range-342-miles/ Would.
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Tell me those aren't loving capacitive touch buttons on the steering wheel. edit looks like they are. I feel that this is a terrible decision 
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:that interior is very GM For this thing €30k isn't bad, the base Model 3 is like 50 but probably corresponding to the mid-range model, too bad they're not saying how much it'll be. Either way, hopefully they're like 10k used a few years down the road. mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Sep 9, 2019 |
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