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Retromancer: Aug 21, 2007; Every time I see Goatse, I think of Maureen. That's the last thing I saw. Before I blacked out. The sight of that man's anus.

Playing politics with the troll in EDH seems fun.

# ? Sep 10, 2019 14:02

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# ? Jun 3, 2024 05:39

DAD LOST MY IPOD: Feb 3, 2012; Fats Dominar is on the case

JerryLee posted:

They can tap it down for longer than 3 turns, but of course at some point they have to start providing their own sacrifices (and you keep getting resources). Also, you can pressure their creature base to make it more difficult for them to sac.

On the other hand, not only does it die to removal, but if it dies to removal immediately, they get three free tokens.

Compare it to Risk Factor, which already doesn't seem to get played much anymore (granted, this is partly due to red currently benefiting from an embarrassment of riches when it comes to drawing/seeing extra cards). It's a sweeter deal for your opponent, all else held equal; each extra card they give you prevents 8 damage, as opposed to 1.33 damage for Risk Factor. It also comes out at a clunkier spot on the curve, and is more vulnerable to countermagic (and is vulnerable to creature removal at all). For these alone, I don't think it's great, but watch me be proved wrong again.

edit: then again I forgot the desecration demon comp, which is a pretty good point.

iirc desecration demon didn't see any play in INN/RTR standard and only started seeing play when Thoughtseize and Gary and Nykthos made a mono-B deck with lots of B symbols attractive. it was just a fat finisher for the deck; they probably would have been just as happy to play the GRN mythic surveil demon if it had existed then.

# ? Sep 10, 2019 14:30

Elyv: Jun 14, 2013

Desecration Demon seeing play is kind of weird historically but this guy does have haste

The problem with him is that once they kill him they can block your other creatures easily since the natural home of this card feels like either as black aggro top end or another random guy in black midrange

# ? Sep 10, 2019 14:36

AlternateNu: May 5, 2005; ドーナツダメ！

Just have a Plague Engineer out naming goats. :v:

What? Standard? Who gives a gently caress about standard?

# ? Sep 10, 2019 14:40

Elyv: Jun 14, 2013

I mean this card is unplayable in other formats so

# ? Sep 10, 2019 14:42

Cynic Jester: Apr 11, 2009; Let's put a simile on that face
A dazzling simile
Twinkling like the night sky

Just wait to play it until you can wrath them on the same turn. Ez.

# ? Sep 10, 2019 14:43

Devor: Nov 30, 2004; Lurking more.

Retromancer posted:

Playing politics with the troll in EDH seems fun.

Does the choice go around the table in order? So you target your player to the right for the goats, then as the last player could lie and say he'll sac a dude, then just decline and let you whack an opponent?

Also the goats ability targets, so if your one opponent has hexproof they don't get the goats.

# ? Sep 10, 2019 14:46

InterrupterJones: Nov 10, 2012; Me and the boys on the way to kill another demon god

Elyv posted:

I mean this card is unplayable in other formats so

Pretty much this. Modern doesn't want this, and Legacy (and Vintage sorta) still has Hogaak. This can only work in Standard Mono Black Control/Midrange, which is looking surprisingly good so far.

# ? Sep 10, 2019 14:49

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

Hansel and Gretel

Pair of Nosies 1G

Creature Human Peasant

1/3

Treats to Share G

Sorcery Adventure

Create a food token

and the little thumbling? not sure how this tale is called in english

Trail of Breadcrumbs 1G

Enchantment

When trail of breadcrumbs enters the battlefield, create a food token

Whenever you sacrifice a food token, you may pay 1. When you do, look at the top two cards of your library. You can reveal a permanent card among these and put it in your hand. Put the rest on the bottom of your library, in the order of your choice.

# ? Sep 10, 2019 14:52

Blooming Brilliant: Jul 12, 2010

Kurtofan posted:

have some goats

It's mandate you have to quote this when you play it.

# ? Sep 10, 2019 14:57

JerryLee: Feb 4, 2005; THE RESERVED LIST! THE RESERVED LIST! I CANNOT SHUT UP ABOUT THE RESERVED LIST!

H&G seems like not the worst 23rd limited card ever.

Enchantment seems good if you can afford to play a durdly food deck, which in practice means probably not good though I'll be happy to be proven wrong.

# ? Sep 10, 2019 14:58

Elyv: Jun 14, 2013

InterrupterJones posted:

Pretty much this. Modern doesn't want this, and Legacy (and Vintage sorta) still has Hogaak. This can only work in Standard Mono Black Control/Midrange, which is looking surprisingly good so far.

I don't think this card is a control finisher; control finishers care more about being resilient since your opponent can have a bunch of removal in their hand with no real target. There's also no reason it should be in monoblack, it only has two black symbols

# ? Sep 10, 2019 14:59

ilmucche: Mar 16, 2016; What did you say the strategy was?

Kurtofan posted:

have some goats

It's goatnapping time! Goatnap your own goat tokens lol

# ? Sep 10, 2019 15:04

Tainen: Jan 23, 2004

I think this is the first time we have seen the showcase version of this one

Tainen fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Sep 10, 2019

# ? Sep 10, 2019 15:33

No Wave: Sep 18, 2005; HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

that preserver card is kind of neat. It will go in irritating decks but it is cool and has self-own potential.

# ? Sep 10, 2019 15:38

Tainen: Jan 23, 2004

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Huxley: Oct 10, 2012; Grimey Drawer

Tainen posted:

What a beautiful, diaphanous ... wait how many toes are on that lady's foot?

# ? Sep 10, 2019 15:45

Elyv: Jun 14, 2013

Do the elves in this set ride giant foxes

# ? Sep 10, 2019 15:45

GoutPatrol: Oct 17, 2009; *Stupid Babby*

Tainen posted:

Getting Omar Rayyan was a good choice, nobody does "squiggly tree thing" like them. Now where the gently caress is Guay. I will accept saving her for last if she did all the basics in this set.

# ? Sep 10, 2019 15:48

TheMaestroso: Nov 4, 2014; I must know your secrets.

Huxley posted:

What a beautiful, diaphanous ... wait how many toes are on that lady's foot?

Five

# ? Sep 10, 2019 15:52

Oceanbound: Jan 19, 2008; Time to let the dead be dead.

GoutPatrol posted:

Getting Omar Rayyan was a good choice, nobody does "squiggly tree thing" like them. Now where the gently caress is Guay. I will accept saving her for last if she did all the basics in this set.

The lands are already in Arena, and no.

# ? Sep 10, 2019 16:10

GoutPatrol: Oct 17, 2009; *Stupid Babby*

Oceanbound posted:

The lands are already in Arena, and no.

I'm gonna grind WotC into the loving dust

# ? Sep 10, 2019 16:18

Count Bleck: Apr 5, 2010; DISPEL MAGIC!

I really don't get all the hoping and praying over Guay when we know full well she's never gonna do magic art again.

Unless WotC pays out the rear end and Guay is feeling like it. And I sincerely doubt that's in Hasbro's forecast.

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Tainen: Jan 23, 2004

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Count Bleck: Apr 5, 2010; DISPEL MAGIC!

Tainen posted:

Aw it's sad.

# ? Sep 10, 2019 16:24

GoutPatrol: Oct 17, 2009; *Stupid Babby*

Count Bleck posted:

I really don't get all the hoping and praying over Guay when we know full well she's never gonna do magic art again.

Unless WotC pays out the rear end and Guay is feeling like it. And I sincerely doubt that's in Hasbro's forecast.

Compromise: reprint cards that have used Guay art in the past so I can use them in standard.

Scryb Ranger & Spellstutter Sprite fit on theme and can be in Simic Flash.

# ? Sep 10, 2019 16:26

Tainen: Jan 23, 2004

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Arcturas: Mar 30, 2011

That sprite has awesome art and seems like a solid but expensive control spell.

# ? Sep 10, 2019 16:30

Framboise: Sep 21, 2014; To make yourself feel better, you make it so you'll never give in to your forevers and live for always.; Lipstick Apathy

Tainen posted:

NEAT

# ? Sep 10, 2019 16:32

GoutPatrol: Oct 17, 2009; *Stupid Babby*

Arcturas posted:

That sprite has awesome art and seems like a solid but expensive control spell.

A counter than can't be duress'd away, technically.

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Eej: Jun 17, 2007; HEAVYARMS

I'm gonna get blown out by that Troll Noble in a reanimator deck that dumps to GY and uses food to bring him back aren't I

# ? Sep 10, 2019 16:36

fadam: Apr 23, 2008

That merfolk has my spidey senses tingling. I bet it goes places.

# ? Sep 10, 2019 16:42

Mat Cauthon: Jan 2, 2006; The more tragic things get,
the more I feel like laughing.

Tainen posted:

Feels like the casting costs are backwards here.

# ? Sep 10, 2019 16:44

Huxley: Oct 10, 2012; Grimey Drawer

I think it's just not very pushed. Very much a card where you can see the levers and each one is in the "this is not meant to be actually good" position.

# ? Sep 10, 2019 16:46

The American Dream: Mar 1, 2007; Don't Forget My Balls

Tainen posted:

This is really really good in stompy. Having something to do with left over mana after drawing a 1 or 2 mana creature is a big help

# ? Sep 10, 2019 16:49

Star Man: Jun 1, 2008; There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow

GoutPatrol posted:

Now where the gently caress is Guay. I will accept saving her for last if she did all the basics in this set.

She has better thinga to do with her time and is enjoying a career as a gallery artist.

# ? Sep 10, 2019 16:50

Wurzag: Jun 3, 2007; Bad Moons, Bad Moons, wot ya gonna do?

So how do these adventure cards actually work then? If you can cascade into either mode does that mean you could flash it back from the graveyard with snapcaster or a similar effect? When/where are they creatures and when are they treated as instant or sorceries?

# ? Sep 10, 2019 16:56

Fingers McLongDong: Nov 30, 2005; not eromenos; Fun Shoe

Wurzag posted:

So how do these adventure cards actually work then? If you can cascade into either mode does that mean you could flash it back from the graveyard with snapcaster or a similar effect? When/where are they creatures and when are they treated as instant or sorceries?

They are creatures everywhere except on the stack if you choose to cast the adventure part.

# ? Sep 10, 2019 16:58

Tibalt: May 14, 2017; What, drawn, and talk of peace! I hate the word, As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee

Huxley posted:

I think it's just not very pushed. Very much a card where you can see the levers and each one is in the "this is not meant to be actually good" position.

Yeah but having an acceptable creature that can be a narrow counter spell (and later a creature) might be better than the sum of its parts.

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Tibalt: May 14, 2017; What, drawn, and talk of peace! I hate the word, As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee

Wurzag posted:

So how do these adventure cards actually work then? If you can cascade into either mode does that mean you could flash it back from the graveyard with snapcaster or a similar effect? When/where are they creatures and when are they treated as instant or sorceries?

They are creatures when not on the stack. On the stack, you decide whether you're casting the spell or the creature, it's how I understand it.

So no to Snapcaster but I think if you could cast a creature spell from your graveyard, you could cast the adventure?

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