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Huxley posted:I think it's just not very pushed. Very much a card where you can see the levers and each one is in the "this is not meant to be actually good" position. It’s a counterspell that draws you an evasive card, it’s not the absolute best ever but it is also a solid card. It also cycles into a 2/1 flier when counterspells are mediocre.
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Tibalt posted:Yeah but having an acceptable creature that can be a narrow counter spell (and later a creature) might be better than the sum of its parts. Could be. I keep evaluating them in terms of casting both sides sequentially or over back-to-back turns, but until we see them in play and the rest of how Standard turns out, there's no way of knowing how valuable it will be. Like anything, it wouldn't be hard to make a busted card out of the mechanic, but right now they've all looked like, "unplayable spell into unplayable creature," and honestly maybe slapping a built-in 2-for-1 makes that good enough (or making either side of the card remotely OK turns out to be absurd).
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Sep 10, 2019 17:11
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The showcase cards have such goddamn sweet art that it's a shame I won't ever see them since I don't play paper Also if I would play paper I wouldn't see them anyway since I sure as hell wouldn't pay for the deluxe boosters
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Sep 10, 2019 17:13
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It's a solid limited card, easy two-for-one early and still an evasive creature later. There's a bit of tension if you draw it late in whether you just want to play the creature and start poking in, or hang on to try and get value from the counter.
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But really not a fan of this development that the showcase cards get some of the sweetest MTG art seen in ages and regular versions have super lovely CGI instead
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It just feels like they're being really careful, because of all the ones we've seen there's been only one side of the split that would be a constructed playable on its own, and even that wouldn't be a guaranteed windmill 4-of. Maybe careful is exactly right, or maybe they've got something up their sleeves.
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Kurtofan posted:
This card is great in limited. drat this card is great in low to the ground aggro decks. I hate this poo poo - efficient body with two keywords that just outright wins limited games if the opponent whiffs on removal.
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ALLAN LASSUS posted:But really not a fan of this development that the showcase cards get some of the sweetest MTG art seen in ages and regular versions have super lovely CGI instead They really really want the premium booster experiment to work out, but hopefully people won't bite and they'll decide to use good art on the cards people actually do buy instead.
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Huxley posted:It just feels like they're being really careful, because of all the ones we've seen there's been only one side of the split that would be a constructed playable on its own, and even that wouldn't be a guaranteed windmill 4-of. If one side of the split is constructed playable on it's own, then the card is really good because it's constructed playable with even more good stuff tacked on. Like, having a powerful constructed-playable spell and then letting you also play a middling creature afterwards as a bonus doesn't make the spell worse, it makes it better.
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that faerie is incredibly good, y’all on some poo poo if you don’t see that. I had to read it twice to make sure it didn’t say counter target noncreature spell that cost 3 or less. Spells that give you a card’s worth of value and then become a not-totally-embarrassing creature are always better than they look.Huxley posted:It just feels like they're being really careful, because of all the ones we've seen there's been only one side of the split that would be a constructed playable on its own, and even that wouldn't be a guaranteed windmill 4-of. not to pick on you but this is exactly the opposite of the right way to evaluate split cards. If one half is constructed playable then the card is strictly better than a constructed playable card, which usually means it’s bonkers. Choice is super valuable. Nobody would play just Fire or just Ice (welllllll maybe on that latter as a one-of) but Fire//Ice is an all-timer. This goes double for Adventures because you get BOTH halves. DAD LOST MY IPOD fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Sep 10, 2019 |
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I'm actually really pleased with how many of the adventures seem totally playable and feel like the goon tendency to rush to call cards bad during preview season is really running rampant
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Sep 10, 2019 17:36
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Goons are historically atrocious at card eval
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Sep 10, 2019 17:39
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Holy poo poo dude can you please relax with these pushed knights
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Sampatrick posted:Holy poo poo dude can you please relax with these pushed knights I'm looking forward to 5C Good Knights.
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Sampatrick posted:Holy poo poo dude can you please relax with these pushed knights no
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Modern knights can be a thing!
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ilmucche posted:Modern knights can be a thing! Especially since most good knights are also humans.
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Sep 10, 2019 17:48
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Will the knight that can cast knights from the grave finally have his day (no)
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TheKingofSprings posted:Will the knight that can cast knights from the grave finally have his day (no) Knights Smallpox inc
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TheKingofSprings posted:Will the knight that can cast knights from the grave finally have his day (no) Leave Haakon alone, he's doing his best.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:not to pick on you but this is exactly the opposite of the right way to evaluate split cards. If one half is constructed playable then the card is strictly better than a constructed playable card, which usually means it’s bonkers. Choice is super valuable. Nobody would play just Fire or just Ice (welllllll maybe on that latter as a one-of) but Fire//Ice is an all-timer. This goes double for Adventures because you get BOTH halves. Yeah, what I need to stop doing is evaluating them like split cards. These are all really bad split cards. But these aren't Thrash/Threat. They're Thrash that draws you a Threat.
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Count Bleck posted:Leave Haakon alone, he's doing his best. Speaking of which, hope anybody who wanted him got some copies by now. Pretty sure he’s at or near $20 a pop now.
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they're aftermath cards that you can't even self mill, loving worthless
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Good thing Thalia is a Soldier and not a Knight. Edit: There are enough sweepers in Standard to keep Knights from being bonkers, I think, but they really aren't holding back from just giving it lots of ways up be a threat. Mat Cauthon fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Sep 10, 2019 |
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Sep 10, 2019 18:07
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Thrash-that-draws-you-Threat/Threat
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Feels like the troll card should be more like the Hunted cycle from original Ravnica: you get a big creature, but your opponent gets a set of creatures that can kill yours. Him having a toll effect is weird too, in the story he doesn't get anything but an asskicking.
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Huxley posted:Yeah, what I need to stop doing is evaluating them like split cards. These are all really bad split cards. they’re better even than that, because 1) you don’t have to cast the adventure side first and 2) half of the card being a creature is very good because it means all of your answers, card draw spells etc. do double duty as threats. A 2/1 flyer puts a clock on the enemy. The only ones that I think are truly bad are the ones where one half is barely a card (and the remaining one doesn’t stand on its own), and the ones where the rate is truly appalling. Faerie Godmother is probably not playable because neither Worse Desperate Lunge nor Flying Men are actually cards.
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Oooo feather like. A red for recursive haste and the option to do something like steal your bronto/sac and blow up your wilderec, etc
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Vaah posted:Oooo feather like. A red for recursive haste and the option to do something like steal your bronto/sac and blow up your wilderec, etc It also can get a blocker or two out of the way with Arcanist without doing any extra work.
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Vaah posted:Oooo feather like. A red for recursive haste and the option to do something like steal your bronto/sac and blow up your wilderec, etc Simply due to mana cost, this feels like the best hijack effect I've seen in a while.
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That threaten effect is ridiculous. Like, I don't think people realize how good that card is going to be in any sort of constructed format that out sac outlets.
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If your opponent has a mana dork, this is technically fixing. I'm uh, unsure that helps.
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That troll is going in a Grismold deck somewhere.
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Claim the firstborn is going to be hilarious in any commander deck with a sac outlet because it'll constantly merc 3 CMC commanders.
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Outside of a weird tempo deck like Simic Flash or UWU SEPHARA ^__^, this doesn't seem very good at all. Like yes it's effectively a split card but both sides are bad. There's 20 split cards in standard right now and how much many of them are actually played? 3? And even then you're asking for someone to play narrow countermagic in a world dominated by T3feri, where the payoff is a Welkin Tern.
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Lone Goat posted:Outside of a weird tempo deck like Simic Flash or UWU SEPHARA ^__^, this doesn't seem very good at all. It's a good card for draft, probably slightly better then that in sealed. It's costed to more likely then not be for standard.
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