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Halloween Jack posted:I find it difficult to see that scene as anything other than Serizawa transforming into a Godzilla. Thematically that's 100% what's happening. Serizawa is Godzilla now.
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Similarly to how in the last one, Bryan Cranston becomes Godzilla. Humans in kaiju movies are best read allegorically. And I don't mind the whizbang GI Joe setup because honestly that's pretty much what you'd need to have the same group of people able to track and follow Kaiju all over the world.
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I'm rewatching KoTM again and I do find it kinda funny how she explains how slaying dragons is a Western concept but we definitely gotta slay this dragon, Gidorah.
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Detective No. 27 posted:I'm rewatching KoTM again and I do find it kinda funny how she explains how slaying dragons is a Western concept but we definitely gotta slay this dragon, Gidorah. Even funnier in this context, Godzilla was always meant to be a more Western style dragon (for obvious, OBVIOUS reasons) while Ghidorah was VERY clearly based on Eastern Dragons
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Sep 7, 2019 03:49
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Legendary Godzilla kinda reminds me of those great pot bellied Polish style dragons.
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Funny enough those slavic dragons actually do defend people from storm monsters.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I don't mind the whizbang GI Joe setup because honestly that's pretty much what you'd need to have the same group of people able to track and follow Kaiju all over the world. They could just use normal cars and planes. Or multiple teams of people. It’s a big gaff, because transportation is important. With the previous film, I can say “school bus” and you know the setpiece I’m talking about. Airport. Train tunnel. HALO jump. Monorail. There’s a very heavy focus on distance, and the difficulty of crossing it. It’s the case on other films too. The best part of Godzilla 2000 was of course the Toyota deployed by the Godzilla Prediction Network.
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:Yeah KOTM is really a Showa era G film made in the USA with a big rear end budget. too bad it sucks
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I basically fell asleep during KotM Tried watching OG Godzilla and the first thirty minutes draaaaaaaagged Got through Shin Godzilla pretty well, all things considered
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:Yeah KOTM is really a Showa era G film made in the USA with a big rear end budget. KOTM is a Showa movie with all the fun and imaginary drained out of it. I don't know how it was possible to make a movie with 4 of the best giant monsters ever so loving boring.
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dentist toy box posted:KOTM is a Showa movie with all the fun and imaginary drained out of it. I don't know how it was possible to make a movie with 4 of the best giant monsters ever so loving boring. Easy: you make it 2.5 hours
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Sep 11, 2019 14:50
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I could not help but notice how every big fight repeats the cliche of a monster about to chomp down on a human, only to get blindsided by another monster at the last second.
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Sep 11, 2019 15:04
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Vinylshadow posted:I basically fell asleep during KotM OG Godzilla is very much an apocalyptic mood piece more than an actual kaiju film. It's really not like any of the stuff that came along afterwards.
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Halloween Jack posted:I could not help but notice how every big fight repeats the cliche of a monster about to chomp down on a human, only to get blindsided by another monster at the last second. The fights aren't even very good. There's nothing really memorable in any of them.
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Sep 11, 2019 15:35
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dentist toy box posted:The fights aren't even very good. There's nothing really memorable in any of them. Rodan doing that barrel roll and Ghidorah and Godzilla getting supercharged in their own cool ways are both memorable.
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Basebf555 posted:OG Godzilla is very much an apocalyptic mood piece more than an actual kaiju film. It's really not like any of the stuff that came along afterwards. That's why it's still the best G film. Shin is the only thing that kind of comes close. G v Hedorah has many moments of this as well.
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dentist toy box posted:KOTM is a Showa movie with all the fun and imaginary drained out of it. I don't know how it was possible to make a movie with 4 of the best giant monsters ever so loving boring. Have hack writers who are even worse than Max Borenstein take over the script
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Sep 12, 2019 00:37
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Imagine not liking KOTM. What a hideous existence
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I feel bad for the director. He seems like a really nice guy, he’s talented and I like his past work, and he obviously is a super fan who loves the material. It just seems like he picked the wrong elements to build on for this movie.
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dentist toy box posted:The fights aren't even very good. There's nothing really memorable in any of them. There's the triple Ghidorah bite, Godzilla stupidly aiming for the heads of Ghidorah and completely missing, Rodan swooping in on Mothra, Mothra loving with Ghidorah using string shot which leads into Godzilla appearing in the building reflection, Mothra shanking Rodan...
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Violator posted:I feel bad for the director. He seems like a really nice guy, he’s talented and I like his past work, and he obviously is a super fan who loves the material. It just seems like he picked the wrong elements to build on for this movie. He seems fine about it. And is clearly proud of his work. In short he don’t give a gently caress and made a sincere film as opposed to something made by a committee of screeching movie goers.
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Sep 12, 2019 02:18
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There's definite signs of focus testing. And the junk science isn't great. But I enjoyed the movie. Godzilla 2014 is ultimately a better movie though.
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Sep 12, 2019 02:23
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CelticPredator posted:He seems fine about it. And is clearly proud of his work. How would you define the term "sincere" in this context?
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CelticPredator posted:He seems fine about it. And is clearly proud of his work. CelticPredator posted:Imagine not liking KOTM. What a hideous existence
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The movie loving owns.
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The Golden Gael posted:There's the triple Ghidorah bite, Godzilla stupidly aiming for the heads of Ghidorah and completely missing, Rodan swooping in on Mothra, Mothra loving with Ghidorah using string shot which leads into Godzilla appearing in the building reflection, Mothra shanking Rodan... All of that was done on the most boring way possible. The mothra, Godzilla, building could have been an epic scene but instead it's this super quick blip that quickly moves on to something else with little consequence. The best scenes in the movie is the intro and it's aping a much better movie.
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CelticPredator posted:The movie loving owns.
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I should really rewatch kotm so I can separate my feelings for it from the "real imax for the first time in years" feeling.
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*watches ken watanabe verbally atomic bomb with his fortune cookie joke before literally atomic bombing godzilla* "if you do not like this, this high cinema, pinnacle of the art form, you are a wretch" wdarkk posted:I should really rewatch kotm so I can separate my feelings for it from the "real imax for the first time in years" feeling.
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KOTM is a movie that I really want to like but it keeps sabotaging itself at every turn.
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Captain Invictus posted:the monster scenes were absolutely made for the biggest screen possible so I'd say it'd suffer if it was on a small screen, but if you've got a gigantic tv it might do the trick The biggest screen I own is a 27" 4k computer monitor so I'm gonna have to mash my face against it.
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Captain Invictus posted:the monster scenes were absolutely made for the biggest screen possible so I'd say it'd suffer if it was on a small screen, but if you've got a gigantic tv it might do the trick The compositions actually work ‘best’ on a phone screen, because then your eyes don’t have to scan as much surface area to figure out what the hell the focal point is supposed to be.
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KOTM is not a good movie, but can be enjoyable depending on how much you appreciate the concept of fanservice and the actual fanservice that the film attempts to deliver.
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Considering that only three, or arguably four, of the Japanese Godzilla films could be considered capital C cinema and the rest are fun kids films a whole lot of you have some kind of elevated view of them. The Japanese G fans I’ve spoken to and their friends seem to really like KOTM and say it reminds them of the Showa movies Edit: actually 5. G vs MG was up there as well
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KOTM is even worse than a one-off bad movie, it actually dismantled some solid world-building done in G14 and Skull Island. Just an anecdote, however - I took my family members to this in theaters and they actually had a nice time! Makes me suspect the decent Cinemascore is accurate. I only speak as a fan who enjoys these movies despite harsh, objective criticism.
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I went into KOTM expecting silly fun and some cool action scenes and even by that standard it was disappointing. The human characters universally suck and drag down the film any they're on screen and they keep on hogging the screentime all the way through the actual showdown between Godzilla and Ghidorah. Like Ghidorah repeatedly failing to destroy single unarmed civilians even as he blows up entire buildings and streets around them, what a way to end a film! The actual cinematography of the fighting is a chaotic mess too and again suffers from having to constantly cut back to the humans before we can ever see a monster do more than one thing. It's just so much worse than Godzilla 2014 on every level it hurts.
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:Considering that only three, or arguably four, of the Japanese Godzilla films could be considered capital C cinema and the rest are fun kids films a whole lot of you have some kind of elevated view of them. The Japanese G fans I’ve spoken to and their friends seem to really like KOTM and say it reminds them of the Showa movies Yeah, most G movies are cheap schlock. I think I am more in love with the visuals and design than any story from these movies minus the decent movies and then god-tier G54, G14 and Shin.
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Mokelumne Trekka posted:KOTM is even worse than a one-off bad movie, it actually dismantled some solid world-building done in G14 and Skull Island. "World building" isn't real and there isn't a single franchise that doesn't discard/mutate both thematic and plot elements from one film to another.
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