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Duke Chin posted:Didn't know poo poo about this one so I went and looked it up and  Source: Fury #1, Vol. 1
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I think the battle of Ramree Island in WWII takes the cake for dying from, “being surrounded”.
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:It's probably possible to find an example where leadership was more wrong, but I'll leave that to others. Custer is my go-to.
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soy posted:probably no daesh commander ever: hmm this is a great totally exposed island with limited exfil routes, totally surrounded by high ground, lets setup our fob here! OTOH these are the guys who took in Abu Hajar
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Godholio posted:Custer is my go-to. Custer's death didn't lead to the end of American expansion into the West, though.
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:Custer's death didn't lead to the end of American expansion into the West, though. Very true.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:
Apparently the main source of FFL recruits after 1945 was Eastern Europeans fleeing Soviet occupation, not Germans, and in "Hell In A Very Small Place" Bernard Fall notes: quote:On March 12, 1954 - the day before the battle began in earnest - there were a total of 2,969 Foreign Legionnaires in the fortress, out of a garrison of 10,814. Of the almost 4,300 parachuted reinforcements, a total of 962 belonged to the Foreign Legion. Even if one wrongly assumes (there were important Spanish and Eastern European elements among the Legionnaires at Dien Bien Phu) that 50% of the Legionnaires were German, then only 1,900 men out of more than 15,000 who participated in the battle could have been of German origin. He also notes that the average age of a Legionnaire in Indochina in 1954 was around 23 years, which means our hypothetical Dieters would have been 14 or so during the fall of Berlin. The myth mostly comes from A) Communist propaganda and B) Nazi fanboys jacking off over the book "Devil's Guard" by Robert Lewis Elford which is entirely fiction and inspired SEALs to commit war crimes in Afghanistan. IIRC historians with access to the Legion's records apparently found that 100 or so ex-SS members had joined the Legion shortly after the war which was followed by a purge in 1947 when the French government noticed. Which is more than the US Army did. What actually happened with the Germans was they either fled through Spain, or went home and then got jobs in the new governments and armies, on both sides of the Iron Curtain. Now there was another group called BILOM, but that was comprised of French prisoners (general collaborators, ex-Vichy/Milice or SS Charlemagne volunteers) who had sentences under 15 years and were offered partial pardons for military service, but this wasn't part of the Legion and was essentially just a regular penal unit. From what I remember it was broken up in 1949-1950 due to both political concerns and a lack of volunteers, and most of them were either demobilized, sent back to prison, or ended up in other colonial units.
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roughly half of all applicants to the foreign legion after '45 were Germans, and the legion had several battalions at Dien Bien Phu
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I do love that the French determined that airborne training is essentially worthless and that any half-decent soldier can figure it out on the fly as a direct result of trying to keep the "fortress" alive.
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:I do love that the French determined that airborne training is essentially worthless and that any half-decent soldier can figure it out on the fly as a direct result of trying to keep the "fortress" alive. Look parachuting is as simple as stepping off a streetcar.
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Sep 12, 2019 22:51
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Ken burns taught me that the French Arty Commander lamented that he had too many guns in the beginning, then went on to kill himself in shame/horror at the beating they got.
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Elendil004 posted:Look parachuting is as simple as stepping off a streetcar. Need a gif of this dude's face in the lower left https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8PcUR9TU88&t=113s
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I like that story of the concentration camp victim who learns that the guard who killed his parents is serving with the Legion in 'nam. He deserts the IDF and joins the legion, gets posted to indochina, then hunts the guard down and mag dumps him with a sten gun.
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Dilettante. posted:I like that story of the concentration camp victim who learns that the guard who killed his parents is serving with the Legion in 'nam. He deserts the IDF and joins the legion, gets posted to indochina, then hunts the guard down and mag dumps him with a sten gun. Whaaaaat? Never heard that one before. Any links or something for it?
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That Works posted:Whaaaaat? Never heard that one before. Any links or something for it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliahu_Itzkovitz
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Oh, to have seen the look on Stănescu's face.
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Elendil004 posted:Look parachuting is as simple as stepping off a streetcar. Every man is capable of parachuting once
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Milo and POTUS posted:Every man is capable of parachuting once https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeaeqIpopvI
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Dilettante. posted:I like that story of the concentration camp victim who learns that the guard who killed his parents is serving with the Legion in 'nam. He deserts the IDF and joins the legion, gets posted to indochina, then hunts the guard down and mag dumps him with a sten gun. First he went home and stabbed the guys son with a butcher knife. Then he tracked him down in the FFL and shot him with a MAT-49. Smiling Jack fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Sep 13, 2019 |
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And when he tells the IDF why he deserted they were like oh...yeah that makes sense. Guess we still have to punish you for deserting and all, but we’ll make it the lowest thing we can think of.
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It seems as noble a candidate for a good wrist slap as I can think. Also: God, what a loving movie premise
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I can't find the line exactly but the streetcar joke is a line from one of the commanders in Dien Bien Phu pushing back against French command demanding all paratroopers go through jump training. He said something like "parachuting can be done by any reasonably agile man who had jumped off a streetcar"
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From Hell In A Very Small Placequote:To the end, Sauvagnac insisted on properly established DZ's to be used only by properly qualified paratroopers with the requisite amount of training jumps. On the other hand, Langlais insisted that basically a parachute was just a handy way of getting out of an aircraft in mid-air and could be used by any reasonably agile man who had jumped off a streetcar. Langlais turned out to be right.
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I've read that part of the training for recruits in the KNIL was jumping out of a truck every day. The first week the truck would drive at walking pace, but after a month or so it would drive at full speed over a rocky road 
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Molentik posted:I've read that part of the training for recruits in the KNIL was jumping out of a truck every day. The first week the truck would drive at walking pace, but after a month or so it would drive at full speed over a rocky road I mean poo poo, if you can do that without breaking your legs then I think you’re pretty much ready to static line. Except for all the stuff about not getting dragged behind the aircraft by your neck/being decapitated etc but who’s counting?
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Blind Rasputin posted:I think the battle of Ramree Island in WWII takes the cake for dying from, “being surrounded”. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cannae
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Molentik posted:I've read that part of the training for recruits in the KNIL was jumping out of a truck every day. The first week the truck would drive at walking pace, but after a month or so it would drive at full speed over a rocky road Also how David Stirling trained the initial SAS recruits in WW2.
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Sep 14, 2019 06:24
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poo poo. Turns out I had more stuff from my grandfather than I thought. How am I going to digitize this big map of Germany with hands drawn stuff on it?
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A large, smooth and uniformly colored surface + decent lighting from above and a decent-resolution digital camera seems like it would do the trick.
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Sep 15, 2019 18:38
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Do you have a university with a map library near you?
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It would be a lot of work, but you could also take 9 photos in a grid pattern, then put those photos through photomerge in Photoshop or something similar. It might end up slightly warped if all the photos aren't perfectly straight-on though.
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Re: grandfather chat. The guy in middle in the back row is my grandfather on my mother's side back when he was a sergeant in the Finnish army. Picture taken sometime during the Continuation War (1941-1944). He would have been around ~25 years old here. He later broke his back while serving in the coastal defense units somewhere around the Gulf of Finland and spent most of WW2 learning to walk again. I wish I could have met the guy but he passed away from a heart attack while out hunting rabbits a few years before I was born.
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I remember reading a story about a tiny island that had a small amount of japanese forces on it there were cutoff from their navy and were basically just used as target practice by US navy pilots where their first 'combat mission' would be to drop a bomb on them.
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Elendil004 posted:poo poo. Turns out I had more stuff from my grandfather than I thought. How am I going to digitize this big map of Germany with hands drawn stuff on it? Get a tripod and point the camera straight down. Move the map in quadrants to take a photo without warp. Photoshop/Lightroom can stitch it together in seconds. You’ll want to shoot with a camera lens that’s about 40-50mm. Wider than that and distortion will affect the center and edges.
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holocaust bloopers posted:Get a tripod and point the camera straight down. Move the map in quadrants to take a photo without warp. Photoshop/Lightroom can stitch it together in seconds. I've got a nifty 50 so that'll work.
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So I'm indexing/reading orderly books/unit diaries from the Revolutionary War right now for Continental Army units. Honestly, the only thing missing from these to make it sound like something out of the modern army is reports of soldiers spending their earnings on cars with 22% APR. Found one entry today where the officer of the day had to remind troops stationed around Boston to stop running around being drunk assholes and running around naked when off duty because it's making everyone look bad as well as pissing off the neighbors.
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