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Angry_Ed posted:It says a lot when the least lovely person in the cabinet is Secretary of Energy Rick Perry. rick perry tried to give nuclear secrets to SA VA is going to be the frontrunner considering how federally irrelevant it is; the only people the position can hurt are veterans. every other cabinet position has a hideous amount of power
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imagine being so loving dumb it takes you 60 years to figure out the party of the Southern Strategy is racist E: lol Trump called him "my African American" and only now is he bothered by it 3 years later
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KillHour posted:This is the opposite of true. The first generation of self driving cars are those that let you drive but take over in an emergency. We're already driving them - my car will steer me back into my lane and slam on the brakes if it thinks I'm going to hit something. People who are unable to drive safely are exactly the people that need to be using self driving cars. this isn't self driving though, this is just driver assist. helpful, but you're still in primary control of the vehicle. by SAE standards you've got a level 2 car on a scale from 0-5 https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a15079828/autonomous-self-driving-car-levels-car-levels/ first gen self driving cars will likely be level 3 or above, that is the target the industry is trying to hit in the next decade. but these vehicles still require active monitoring by a driver who is active and alert to what's going on. this will have some positive impact on fatalities related to speeding, since self driving cars probably won't regularly break the speed limit (unless you go into manual control, then it's not self-driving). but what about people who are busy phone posting on reddit or nodding off when the car suddenly throws an alert and switches to manual mode? there's a safety hump here where we are decades away from level 4 or 5 automation in general use, and level 3 automation is going to exacerbate bad driver tendencies in a way which is a detraction to road safety rather than a benefit
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Nail Rat posted:Okay if you want to be the first to ride in one while there's still a bunch of human drivers out there, go ahead, to me, that sounds risky. The swap to driverless cars is gonna be different than you think. Safety features like lane assist and automatic braking are going to continue to expand until your average driver only has the illusion of driving their own car, at which point why not let it take over. This is assuming things like not devolving into Mad Max conditions though.
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mango sentinel posted:The swap to driverless cars is gonna be different than you think. Safety features like lane assist and automatic braking are going to continue to expand until your average driver only has the illusion of driving their own car, at which point why not let it take over. This is assuming things like not devolving into Mad Max conditions though. Mad Max but all the people are dead and it's just self driving cars.
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KillHour posted:This is the opposite of true. The first generation of self driving cars are those that let you drive but take over in an emergency. We're already driving them - my car will steer me back into my lane and slam on the brakes if it thinks I'm going to hit something. People who are unable to drive safely are exactly the people that need to be using self driving cars. You also have people who shove a tennis ball in their steering wheel or whatever to trick the car into thinking they are ready/able to take over. As long as bad drivers exist they are a danger to everyone in the vicinity, and it doesnt matter what the car can or will do
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mango sentinel posted:The swap to driverless cars is gonna be different than you think. Safety features like lane assist and automatic braking are going to continue to expand until your average driver only has the illusion of driving their own car, at which point why not let it take over. This is assuming things like not devolving into Mad Max conditions though. Or, alternatively, all of the responsibility and none of the control. Your car was driver assisting itself onto that sidewalk, but you're the one going to jail.
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Sep 12, 2019 18:32
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Party Plane Jones posted:rick perry tried to give nuclear secrets to SA Goddamit Lowtax! 
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Party Plane Jones posted:rick perry tried to give nuclear secrets to SA Little known fact: Lowtax tried to accept them but Radium couldn't get attachments working in PMs.
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mango sentinel posted:The swap to driverless cars is gonna be different than you think. Safety features like lane assist and automatic braking are going to continue to expand the average age of a vehicle on the road in america is just shy of 12 year old https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/average-vehicle-age-increase-america/ assuming that the government mandated every car sold had automated safety features, it would take 12 years for roughly half of vehicles to have these features. adoption rates will be slow because people don't buy new cars mostly, they buy used cars and hang on to them. and this is assuming that the mandating of new features doesn't impact car sales or distort the used manual driver market
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motoh posted:Or, alternatively, all of the responsibility and none of the control. Your car was driver assisting itself onto that sidewalk, but you're the one going to jail. Assuming you aren't drunk, almost no one ever goes to jail for killing someone with their car.
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Hold me back, man! Otherwise I’m going to kick this punk’s rear end!
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eke out posted:he learned about negative interest rates and is literally and unironically convinced it's one weird trick to get paid to have debt and doesn't understand why every country doesn't immediately make their interest rates negative Pages back, but I am honestly surprised that Trump hasn't tried to do this already. Given the state of his mind and his understanding of economics, being able to print money has got to be his literal lifelong dream.
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Sep 12, 2019 18:36
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"Actually I wanted to invade even harder" 
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He wanted to nuke Venezuela didn't he
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I love how everyone he has ever hired was an excellent person until he is displeased with them and then they were schmucks who couldn't even pour water out of a boot. I know this is how he's always been and it's classic narcissistic behavior. I just can't get over it, as an actual human being with a soul and a conscience. BigBallChunkyTime fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Sep 12, 2019 |
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Our first poser president
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motoh posted:Or, alternatively, all of the responsibility and none of the control. Your car was driver assisting itself onto that sidewalk, but you're the one going to jail. That is what will actually happen. No company will sell driverless cars if they have the liability, obviously, because even the best software is terrible and error-prone (and because this is late-stage capitalism the software will not be the best, it will be outsourced for $6/hour) so the only way driverless cars happen is if each one of us is randomly on the hook for $2 million every time the car misidentifies a pedestrian as a plastic bag blowing across the road.
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I am sincerely surprised Trump and Maduro don't get along. They are like two peas in a pod looking at them from the outside.
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luxury handset posted:this isn't self driving though, this is just driver assist. helpful, but you're still in primary control of the vehicle. by SAE standards you've got a level 2 car on a scale from 0-5 I don’t get your line of thinking. Today we have awful drivers on the road. And by awful, I literally do mean every single person. From the guy that actually drives the speed limits to the person that says gently caress YOU YOU POS and speeds past when you turn on your blinker to signal a turn. If tomorrow we can have cars that can mostly drive themselves but need a human to pay attention just “in case” then we would have safer roads overall because once again every single human being is an awful driver. But we don’t need to wait for tomorrow. Those exist today. Tomorrow will be even better.
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VitalSigns posted:That is what will actually happen. I think it was Cadillac that said they were taking any responsibility for accidents caused by super cruise.
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Just gonna brag that John loving Bolton thought I was being a little bloodthirsty.
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Boris Galerkin posted:I don’t get your line of thinking. this is a really big, unsupported if. hoping that self driving cars fix the mess that we created by creating a built environment oriented around automobiles is basically the Wired Magazine version of a genie's wish every single human is not an awful driver. if you think this is true you'd be better off arguing that we ban cars entirely rather than praying robot jesus comes to save us from ourselves
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luxury handset posted:the average age of a vehicle on the road in america is just shy of 12 year old Consider for context we probably need to get every single gas and diesel vehicle off the road within the next 15-20 max. So there is that as we calculate fleet age. (Also there's good evidence that self driving EVs will be worse for the climate than regular EVs, since its often cheaper to drive it around empty and waste energy rather than park. Fun times!)
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Oh my god. We're living in some comedy dimension where Bolton wanted a war with Iran ~so badly~ that he kept trying to talk Trump out of invading six other countries at the same time, and Trump loving fired him over it.
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Boris Galerkin posted:I mean right now you have people texting on their phones while doing their makeup and/or shaving with a breakfast burrito in their hands. I’m talking specifically about being driven by an AI, here. If I was riding in a car and someone tried to do dumb poo poo I’d make them stop. If my AI chauffeur does something stupid I’d have to realize it’s making a mistake before it’s too late to slam the brakes. An AI isn’t going to make an obvious mistake like looking at their phone, it’s going to silently fail and try to kill me/someone on purpose. Maybe if I didn’t have to force quit some program every dang day on my job I’d be more trusting of software, but I’ll probably always prefer to just take the bus.
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Found it. http://gmauthority.com/blog/2017/10/gm-clarifies-the-liability-question-with-self-driving-cars/ Pigbuster posted:I’m talking specifically about being driven by an AI, here. If I was riding in a car and someone tried to do dumb poo poo I’d make them stop. If my AI chauffeur does something stupid I’d have to realize it’s making a mistake before it’s too late to slam the brakes. An AI isn’t going to make an obvious mistake like looking at their phone, it’s going to silently fail and try to kill me/someone on purpose. AI doesn't mean "thinks for itself." Your car isn't going to try to do anything any more than your Roomba tries to eat your shoelaces (stupid goddamn Roomba). KillHour fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Sep 12, 2019 |
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mango sentinel posted:The swap to driverless cars is gonna be different than you think. Safety features like lane assist and automatic braking are going to continue to expand until your average driver only has the illusion of driving their own car, at which point why not let it take over. This is assuming things like not devolving into Mad Max conditions though. 
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KillHour posted:Found it. quote:“In a Super Cruise situation, because the driver is still in the driver’s seat, and they are supposed to be driving, and the car is helping them, the driver is still liable,” GM’s head of innovation, Warwick Stirling, told Car Advice. That says the opposite. It says that with Super Cruise the driver is liable. In theory with a different system that didn't require the driver to be driving then they wouldn't be liable. Conveniently, that system doesn't exist.
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Dubar posted:You also have people who shove a tennis ball in their steering wheel or whatever to trick the car into thinking they are ready/able to take over. As long as bad drivers exist they are a danger to everyone in the vicinity, and it doesnt matter what the car can or will do As far as I know only one brand of car has such a lovely "is the driver paying attention?" system that it can be fooled by a lump of something heavy. It just happens to be the one most aggressively pushing self-driving as a magic traffic fatality cure-all, the one with the shittiest sensor system for actual driving control (but which has an impressive ability to find and hit fire trucks), AND the one most likely to be owned by techno-fetishists who want to show off how they are cheating the safety system. Other manufacturers on the other hand are implementing systems which will freak out and make your life miserable if you so much as glance away from the road for "just a few" seconds.
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RBA Starblade posted:He wanted to nuke Venezuela didn't he He saw the Jack Ryan trailer.
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VitalSigns posted:That says the opposite. You're right and I'm tired. It's weird that he seemingly contradicted himself in the next sentence though. Shifty Pony posted:As far as I know only one brand of car has such a lovely "is the driver paying attention?" system that it can be fooled by a lump of something heavy. It just happens to be the one most aggressively pushing self-driving as a magic traffic fatality cure-all, the one with the shittiest sensor system for actual driving control (but which has an impressive ability to find and hit fire trucks), AND the one most likely to be owned by techno-fetishists who want to show off how they are cheating the safety system. Do Teslas really just rely on pressure sensors? My Kia makes me actually turn the wheel a little bit every once in a while.
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I wonder how far I could get into a TED Talk about how the real revolution will be in passengerless cars before they cut my mic off
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Of course this comes out right as you had the GOP push the “Bolton wanted wars and action!” angle, whether or not they liked that or not
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Shifty Pony posted:As far as I know only one brand of car has such a lovely "is the driver paying attention?" system that it can be fooled by a lump of something heavy. It just happens to be the one most aggressively pushing self-driving as a magic traffic fatality cure-all, the one with the shittiest sensor system for actual driving control (but which has an impressive ability to find and hit fire trucks), AND the one most likely to be owned by techno-fetishists who want to show off how they are cheating the safety system. the point being that people are awful and no matter what safety features you put in, the first thing people will do is try to circumvent them. Self driving cars need to not only drive safely, but also actively prevent the person using them from sabotaging the safety mechanisms
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betaraywil posted:I wonder how far I could get into a TED Talk about how the real revolution will be in passengerless cars before they cut my mic off If it's a TEDx you could probably talk about the interesting undigested bits you pick out of your stool without having your mic cut off.
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The Super-Id posted:Mad Max but all the people are dead and it's just self driving cars. This has some serious short story potential. Maybe the cars are all politely trying to go to grocery stores, recharging stations, and places of business as well, not on the fury road.
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