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The news media is running hard as gently caress against Castro right now. Its turning a lot of people against him because he is getting poo poo on from a lot of different sources simultaneously, and the pundits are seemingly unanimously condemning him. Most of the fucks who know the pundits and media are poo poo about this sort of thing are probably not supporting Castro to begin with. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't benefit from what was a genuinely good performance as a result. I also wouldn't be surprised if the needle barely moved.
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Sep 13, 2019 19:37
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fool_of_sound posted:Castro??? Castro had an excellent night for everyone except dramamongering talking heads. And good news for Butt? Those are some SEISMIC SHIFTS! Like a tractor trailer passing a quarter mile away.
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Sep 13, 2019 19:37
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unwantedplatypus posted:https://youtu.be/ey3j1YpJzJQ So business as usual.
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Sep 13, 2019 19:38
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Mellow Seas posted:Those are some SEISMIC SHIFTS! Like a tractor trailer passing a quarter mile away. I guess it was sort of like a Luntz panel. Same group of people they polled before and after so in theory the methodology is supposed to catch opinion switches absent the noise of a total resample.
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Sep 13, 2019 19:44
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Lol at anyone who still says "well, on polling Nate is good." Dipshit is writing winners and losers based on decimal point shifts.
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Sep 13, 2019 19:50
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GlyphGryph posted:If she were President its worth remembering Warren will not "do" either bill, she will only support them
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Sep 13, 2019 19:51
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Guys, I have bad news. Bernie is a co-sponsor of the Behavioral Health Coverage Transparency Act. It would seem that Bernie is not fully committed to
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Sep 13, 2019 20:03
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fool_of_sound posted:Nah he's just pretending that mostly margin-of-error poo poo is meaningful. The only think those results actually show is Harris continuing to die and Warren and for some reason Butt making gains. Everything else is jitter. While that's true, I also am pretty drat suspicious of his polling samples as well.
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Sep 13, 2019 20:06
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Mahoning posted:Guys, I have bad news. A take as fresh as when Berke Negri waltzed in to make it. And just like then it remains the case that Bernie isn't running on the BHCTA, whereas it remains the only thing retaining the slightest semblance of a forwarded plan by the plans candidate.
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Sep 13, 2019 20:07
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Who the gently caress thought Buttigeig did good in that debate? He was hands down to blandest, most forgettable candidate up the. I thought Castro actually had a really good showing though so 
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Sep 13, 2019 20:11
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Great Metal Jesus posted:Who the gently caress thought Buttigeig did good in that debate? He was hands down to blandest, most forgettable candidate up the. I thought Castro actually had a really good showing though so  -obsessed privileged fuckwits who heard his "STOP BEING MEAN TO EACH OTHER! YOU'RE DOING TRUMP'S JOB FOR HIM!!! " nonsense and found it appealing.
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Sep 13, 2019 20:13
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Mahoning posted:Guys, I have bad news. This ignores the real point of the criticism, that BHCPTA is what Warren lists as her "plan" for mental healthcare. Sure, she could just be leading an incompetent campaign that can't focus on the simple details of the policies she promotes, but that's not a great alternative.
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Sep 13, 2019 20:13
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Majorian posted:While that's true, I also am pretty drat suspicious of his polling samples as well. Jesus, no kidding. This struck me. quote:The first wave of the poll was conducted from Sept. 5 to Sept. 11 among a general population sample of adults, with 4,320 respondents who say they are likely to vote in their state’s Democratic primary or caucus. For the likely Democratic primary voter subset of respondents, the poll has a margin of error of +/- 1.68 percentage points. What in the gently caress? Less than half of the sample size watched the debate. They're using this as a "who won the debate" metric?
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Sep 13, 2019 20:14
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That's what I expected which is why I mentioned the media coverage of Castro being so negative probably hurt him.
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Sep 13, 2019 20:16
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Mahoning posted:Jesus, no kidding. This struck me. Honestly that's probably overskewed towards people who bothered to watch it vs. people who are just getting talking points secondhand.
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Sep 13, 2019 20:21
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Blorange posted:Honestly that's probably overskewed towards people who bothered to watch it vs. people who are just getting talking points secondhand. I know I'm stating the obvious, but that just kind of underlines how misleading this is as a "Who Won The Third Democratic Debate?" piece of analysis.
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Sep 13, 2019 20:27
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fool_of_sound posted:I suspect it's because she thinks either A) there's no way anything eliminating private insurance passes so promising it is a bad idea, or B) because finance is clearly her priority she think she won't have any remaining political capital for a second fight with a major industry after her flagship stuff goes through. I think that's a poor and overly cautious attitude but I don't think it's coming from a position of 'she secretly hates healthcare'. I don't think anyone is saying that she hates healthcare - they're saying that she's not committed to pursuing and implementing Bernie's M4A or a comparable plan if she becomes president. If she supports it but doesn't think it'll pass and therefore doesn't intend to push for it, that's not very useful to the people who want real M4A and are making it a litmus test. Moreover, it puts her position on healthcare somewhere to the right of Harry Truman, who wasn't exactly a progressive superhero. Even Obama, despite his reputation for making concessions before the negotiation even starts, at least made a show of pushing for the public option and forced the Senate to be the ones to remove it. I personally don't think she's advocating for it very strongly, either - she's backing it when someone comes to her with questions about it, but if she's really throwing her support behind someone else's plan, then it sticks out that she's not really coming to that someone else's defense when that someone else is the one being attacked for their healthcare stance. Yeah, I know, that's a really weird thing to ask. But it's weird in the first place to have a presidential candidate whose position on one of the biggest campaign issues is just "I support this other candidate's plan" without any extra details or embellishments, so it's only natural that's going to lead some weird places. For example, remember the recent kerfluffle where Sanders' campaign has been feuding with fact checkers over how many medical bankruptcies there are? It's very relevant here because Harvard professor Elizabeth Warren was personally involved in the very research project that produced the numbers Sanders is basing the claim on. You'd expect that to be the kind of discussion she'd want to join in on in order to emphasize the need for M4A. Instead, she's completely ignored it, and her silence has been so conspicuous that the fact checkers are now pointing at her refusal to come to the study's defense as another sign pointing toward the numbers being wrong.
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https://beta.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/09/13/three-big-winners-houston-debate/?__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true This might be the worst post-debate article I've read. quote:Thursday’s Democratic debate lacked the sparks and conflicts that characterized the first two outings. It nonetheless produced three clear winners: former vice president Joe Biden, Sen. Kamala D. Harris (D-Calif.) and Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.).
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Sep 13, 2019 20:39
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Uterine Lineup posted:https://beta.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/09/13/three-big-winners-houston-debate/?__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true That is indeed pretty bad. I'm not going to click on it, but is it Chris?
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Sep 13, 2019 20:42
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Main Paineframe posted:I don't think anyone is saying that she hates healthcare - they're saying that she's not committed to pursuing and implementing Bernie's M4A or a comparable plan if she becomes president. Yeah I think it's this. Healthcare is not her priority, and in fact is several steps down her list, so she's not willing to make it part of her flagship legislation. I think that's a perfectly valid reason to choose to support Sanders over her.
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Sep 13, 2019 20:43
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Majorian posted:That is indeed pretty bad. I'm not going to click on it, but is it Chris? It's Henry Olsen doing the Republican Best Friend thing
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Sep 13, 2019 20:43
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fool_of_sound posted:It's Henry Olsen doing the Republican Best Friend thing Oh, well, I mean, people like him say they're not going to vote Trump, so clearly they can be wooed to vote Dem!
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Sep 13, 2019 20:44
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Oh, nobody has mentioned this, so maybe it’s just me, but didn’t Harris seem, like... relaxed last night? Too relaxed? Slightly impaired, even? I thought she sounded funny from her opening statement, like she was slowed to 80% speed or something. Just me?
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Sep 13, 2019 20:45
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Mellow Seas posted:Oh, nobody has mentioned this, so maybe it’s just me, but didn’t Harris seem, like... relaxed last night? Too relaxed? Slightly impaired, even? I thought she sounded funny from her opening statement, like she was slowed to 80% speed or something. Just me? A few people noted that. It was a bit strange.
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Sep 13, 2019 20:46
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Mellow Seas posted:Oh, nobody has mentioned this, so maybe it’s just me, but didn’t Harris seem, like... relaxed last night? Too relaxed? Slightly impaired, even? I thought she sounded funny from her opening statement, like she was slowed to 80% speed or something. Just me?  imagine having to solve for all that before you can even open your mouth
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Sep 13, 2019 20:46
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https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/1172597132412575744 Nah, Biden's totally fine
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Sep 13, 2019 20:47
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Mellow Seas posted:Oh, nobody has mentioned this, so maybe it’s just me, but didn’t Harris seem, like... relaxed last night? Too relaxed? Slightly impaired, even? I thought she sounded funny from her opening statement, like she was slowed to 80% speed or something. Just me? Yeah definitely not you. A lot of people here, on twitter, etc, thought she sounded sloshed. Most likely explanation is that she's trying to come off as folksy, relaxed, and relatable, and that's not at all how she actually is. So she came off as just loving weird.
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Sep 13, 2019 20:47
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Yang's actual first ever debate stunt was hot boxing Harris. He just won't own up until New Hampshire.
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Sep 13, 2019 20:55
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unwantedplatypus posted:https://youtu.be/ey3j1YpJzJQ This is just infuriating. I'm not a Castro supporter but that was just such a good moment in the debate. Like people aren't supposed to be angry when someone publicly tries to backtrack on their actual plan? Calling that poo poo out should happen MORE, not less. Especially when you have someone like Biden, who had more egregious senior moments last night.
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Sep 13, 2019 21:00
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Uterine Lineup posted:https://beta.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/09/13/three-big-winners-houston-debate/?__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true i cannot imagine the level of brain bugs required to think that klobuchar line wasn't embarrassing let alone a masterstroke. ahahah gently caress he works for ed whelan's group.
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Sep 13, 2019 21:00
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Jay-V posted:This is just infuriating. I'm not a Castro supporter but that was just such a good moment in the debate. Like people aren't supposed to be angry when someone publicly tries to backtrack on their actual plan? Calling that poo poo out should happen MORE, not less. Especially when you have someone like Biden, who had more egregious senior moments last night. Yeah, but this is the Democratic party, where politeness is more important than policy and the primary is a largely ceremonial exercise whose main purpose is to grant the DNC's chosen candidate a veneer of legitimacy. So, expect a lot more of this through next spring.
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Sep 13, 2019 21:12
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The Castro pile-on is so loving transparent and stupid (and will totally work). "Did you forget what you said two minutes ago?" is not an explicitly age related attack, it's only being read as such because everyone knows that Biden's brain is pudding. If anyone else contradicted themselves, he could use that line and it would just be like, catching someone in a shifting position. Ugh everything is so stupid.
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Sep 13, 2019 21:12
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Maybe she should have spent more time with North Dakota voters
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Sep 13, 2019 21:27
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I know bernie is going to win because look at this smooth rear end loving handshake This is a better metric to use than all of the post-debate analysis i have read. Please pay me lots of money now.
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Sep 13, 2019 21:32
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I know bernie is going to win because look at this smooth rear end loving handshake Well...poo poo...I mean that just says it all. So smooth and natural, fresh and clean.
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Sep 13, 2019 21:45
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I know bernie is going to win because look at this smooth rear end loving handshake The mainstream media would still have a chance of surviving if this were the level of analysis they put out.
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Sep 13, 2019 21:48
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Majorian posted:The mainstream media would still have a chance of surviving if this were the level of analysis they put out. I would respect Chris Cillizza a lot more if all he put out where foot fetish pieces. At you know his heart would be in it.
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Sep 13, 2019 21:52
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too lofty of a goal, too horny just as horny, but more likely: top 10 brands of american cheese
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