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Zazz Razzamatazz posted:https://clips.twitch.tv/ExpensiveJazzyDonutOMGScoots Yeah, apparently the devs were just talking about how supercap umbrellas are bad and then were like "by the way, blackout ends on monday" in a single sentence near the end Man, speak of dying with a whimper https://imperium.news/psa-black-out-ending-on-monday/
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"remember eve was dying and now that logins have tanked significantly more that means eve is totally alive and everyone loves it but you nerds. Oh that graph is totally fake"
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Wibla posted:Mining alone didn't do this, the serious economic and logistical planning that went into our move into Delve set the stage. By "serious economic and logistical planning" you mean- getting kicked the gently caress out of Deklein, right?
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Xolve posted:By "serious economic and logistical planning" you mean- getting kicked the gently caress out of Deklein, right? No. There were tentative plans for what to do in Delve way before we got kicked out of the north 
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Wibla posted:No. LOL, Okay.
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Sep 14, 2019 17:22
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When I last quit playing in 2014 I explicitly remember gsf owning Delve and there being talk of setting up shop down there because the geography was better and than deklein What happened after that I’m not sure, I think Test owner it at one point?
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Xolve posted:LOL, Okay. Yes, obviously the logistics nerds who enjoy fueling pos had absolutely no plans for taking over a region we invaded once every 2 years for nearly a decade. 
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ITT people arguing about data they don’t have access to. Let’s just enjoy the end stages. Thanks for coming to my ted talk.
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:When I last quit playing in 2014 I explicitly remember gsf owning Delve and there being talk of setting up shop down there because the geography was better and than deklein This was in 2016? I don't know- the last 'big war' worth talking about (it wasn't).
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Xolve posted:LOL, Okay. We had all of our economic plans for what we were going to do with citadels we drew up when they got announced. Then, uh, something interfered in them for a while, but what we implemented in Delve was basically what we had planned to implement in Deklein, but the geography makes it a lot better (though I miss the short hop to Jita). There was also a lot of discussion of if moving would be a good idea and I think where we had settled on it was yes, that would be good - but I don’t think we had made the decision to actually do it and I suspect we wouldn’t have ended up actually shifting everyone down unless we had to.
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Weren’t we like hmm Delve or malpais Delve or malpais for a while
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evilweasel posted:We had all of our economic plans for what we were going to do with citadels we drew up when they got announced. Then, uh, something interfered in them for a while, but what we implemented in Delve was basically what we had planned to implement in Deklein, but the geography makes it a lot better (though I miss the short hop to Jita). I'm assuming 'unless we had to' became a thing after the Saranen escapade. Thanks for being candid as usual.
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1001 Arabian dicks posted:you know it was supposed to be temporary, right Really? I recall it very specifically being an open question and all of the reddit warriors (and you) arguing about why it’s awesome so it’s definitely going to stay.
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ZombieLenin posted:Really? I recall it very specifically being an open question and all of the reddit warriors (and you) arguing about why it’s awesome so it’s definitely i did say it was awesome and wanted it to be permanent, but they did specifically say it was temporary
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1001 Arabian dicks posted:i did say it was awesome and wanted it to be permanent, but they did specifically say it was temporary 1001 Arabian dicks posted:https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/galactic-hour-news-roundup-lights-going-out-across-new-eden-edition/
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1001 Arabian dicks posted:you're not impressing anyone with your inability to read
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1001 Arabian dicks posted:i did say it was awesome and wanted it to be permanent, but they did specifically say it was temporary They said it may be temporary and it may not. They were ambiguous about it, which in terms of experimentation wasn't a bad approach.
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Ynglaur posted:They said it may be temporary and it may not. They were ambiguous about it, which in terms of experimentation wasn't a bad approach. the first announcement specifically said temporary.
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And the later ones did not.
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They were vague and did not have a plan. If the subscription numbers went up they would make the blackout permanent. But the opposite happened, so it was always planned to be temporary.
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evilweasel posted:We had all of our economic plans for what we were going to do with citadels we drew up when they got announced. Then, uh, something interfered in them for a while, but what we implemented in Delve was basically what we had planned to implement in Deklein, but the geography makes it a lot better (though I miss the short hop to Jita). FAT32 SHAMER posted:Weren’t we like hmm Delve or malpais Delve or malpais for a while It's pretty hard to convince people to leave their homeland (aka Deklein/The North) for Delve without some external factor providing an incentive (read: war) Thank gently caress the casino war happened. Xolve posted:LOL, Okay. See above, nerd.
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CCP never said it was “temporary” they said it was “indefinite” which means basically nothing except “whatever the result was, we meant to do that.”
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evilweasel posted:CCP never said it was “temporary” they said it was “indefinite” which means basically nothing except “whatever the result was, we meant to do that.” 'UNKNOWN AMOUNT OF TIME' you're right, but it's easy to assume it was always meant to be temporary
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I heard a about the blackout a while ago from some other bittervets, but is this the actual mattering (tm) and is Eve actually dying this time (tm), or are talking another instance of wet fart and the user base just casually keeps declining over time?
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Duzzy Funlop posted:I heard a about the blackout a while ago from some other bittervets, but is this the actual mattering (tm) and is Eve actually dying this time (tm), or are talking another instance of wet fart and the user base just casually keeps declining over time? The blackout + cyno changes (cynos can only be lit from 300 million isk recon ships) was certainly encouraging some people to take a little break and go try WoW classic or whatever. Whether that would have been a permanent decline is unknowable. But local is coming back on, so now the only change is the cyno poo poo. Training your cyno alts to fly recons sounds like a huge pain in the rear end.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:I heard a about the blackout a while ago from some other bittervets, but is this the actual mattering (tm) and is Eve actually dying this time (tm), or are talking another instance of wet fart and the user base just casually keeps declining over time? All the stuff they've been trying has been indicative of them trying to goose as many bitter vet resubs as possible, so they can meet one last Key Performance Indicator before October. In October, stakeholders in CCP are eligible for a performance-contingent bonus, as part of the acquisition of CCP by Pearl Abyss. None of that poo poo is particularly promising for Eve's long term outlook. We'll see how it shakes up. Eve Vegas will be interesting. I think there's a nonzero chance of Hilmar announcing that he's leaving.
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:All the stuff they've been trying has been indicative of them trying to goose as many bitter vet resubs as possible, so they can meet one last Key Performance Indicator before October. In October, stakeholders in CCP are eligible for a performance-contingent bonus, as part of the acquisition of CCP by Pearl Abyss. None of that poo poo is particularly promising for Eve's long term outlook. I could buy that for things like the free skill points, but I doubt the blackout was intended as a short term boost to player count. If anything it seems to have been a long term attempt to curb inflation.
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Bremen posted:I could buy that for things like the free skill points, but I doubt the blackout was intended as a short term boost to player count. If anything it seems to have been a long term attempt to curb inflation. Near as I can tell, one of their KPIs is Monthly Active Users. By finding a pie in the sky thing that a bunch of people have asked for and putting it in, they can drive a bunch of one-time resubs. That's exactly what happened, even.
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:Near as I can tell, one of their KPIs is Monthly Active Users. By finding a pie in the sky thing that a bunch of people have asked for and putting it in, they can drive a bunch of one-time resubs. That's exactly what happened, even. That's a pretty deep gamble. I imagine the number of people who would be annoyed by the change is a lot higher than the number of people who would resub to try out the blackout. Rutibex fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Sep 15, 2019 |
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Ya but those people don’t shitpost continuously about it on reddit or here
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Rutibex posted:That's a pretty deep gamble. I imagine the number of people who would be annoyed by the change is a lot higher than the number of people who would resub to try out the blackout. Yes, which is why it failed. But I think Hilmar bought the propaganda and thought this was nonsense.
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evilweasel posted:Yes, which is why it failed. But I think Hilmar bought the propaganda and thought this was nonsense. If the KPI is literally "uniques logged in over 30d", you don't really give a poo poo about long-term effects. You goose the number with resubs, collect your bonus, then jump off the side of the collapsing building, deploying your golden parachute and gliding into a land of VR chat rooms.
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Rutibex posted:That's a pretty deep gamble. I imagine the number of people who would be annoyed by the change is a lot higher than the number of people who would resub to try out the blackout. The people unsubbing won't fall off before the people subbing hit a peak is probably the hope. Based on the timing if I wanted to get real  I'd say that they played it exactly right, in the hopes that people who unsubbed because of the blackout will resub when it's lifted so that come October the "hey, blackout, neat" subs won't have expired but the "okay wow blackout's over time 2 mine" subs have hit, giving something like a peak possible number.
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:If the KPI is literally "uniques logged in over 30d", you don't really give a poo poo about long-term effects. You goose the number with resubs, collect your bonus, then jump off the side of the collapsing building, deploying your golden parachute and gliding into a land of VR chat rooms. Welcome to being a publicly traded company.
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Ynglaur posted:Welcome to being a publicly traded company. Its funny, I'm invested in a company where a minority of assholes are trying to get rid of the board. Their reasons are pretty flimsy, based on a drug taking forever and ever to get through the FDA. In reality they have been shorting the stock reliable because R&D on a drug takes a long rear end time. The company however is transparent, publishes its results which are verifiable and have progressed along the FDAs ever winding path. People following the metrics can see know the science is good and its a matter of time before the drug makes the market. The board and CEO are in no danger from the minority of assholes because the performance thus far justifies keeping them around. CCP is of course a much different story.
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