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The cruise missiles don’t have to fly a straight‐line course the whole way there.
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Do cruise missiles usually travel in a straight line? I know they have the ability to be steered/programmed to go places, but flying a direct path from launch to target seems like a pretty dumb thing to do.
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Here's a Twitter post showing imagery of the refinery at Abqaiq: https://twitter.com/DionNissenbaum/status/1173325850323890178 [/quote] My question is if the points targeted were uniquely important - did they manage to hit 17 key points or just 17 points that looked impressive? If the former, that would indicate somebody with industry knowledge to provide the targeting.
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Doctor Grape Ape posted:Do cruise missiles usually travel in a straight line? I know they have the ability to be steered/programmed to go places, but flying a direct path from launch to target seems like a pretty dumb thing to do. If you're firing them at max range you kind of have to, but other than that... Lake of Methane posted:
Israel's cruise missiles only have a 48 mile range but that won't stop conspiracy theorists. (they have subs afterall!)
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hobbesmaster posted:Israel's cruise missiles only have a 48 mile range but that won't stop conspiracy theorists. (they have subs afterall!) They also have the Delilah. And yeah, there's going to be a lot of  here. Just last week the Saudis said they're going to start enriching uranium, and now this happens.
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So that image. What exactly am I looking at? I see the holes in the tanks, but there seems to be a significant lack of "boom" from the damage.
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Sep 16, 2019 03:28
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Clearly this calls for JLENS.
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Sep 16, 2019 03:28
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Greenpeace fired them to increase the cost of oil
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Splode posted:Greenpeace fired them to increase the cost of oil I think I read that Clive Cussler novel edit: eh that's more a Clancy novel Clive would be something like neo-nazis using a Chinese secret sonic weapon to alter Florida orange futures while Dirk Pitt saves the day using a paddle boat full of Confederate re-enactors and i think that actually happened in one book Smiling Jack fucked around with this message at 04:06 on Sep 16, 2019 |
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Don't gotta worry about global warming if we just burn all the oil now so nobody can have any in the future 
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Smiling Jack posted:
Close! The paddle-boat full of confederate reenactors was in the book where the Russians brainwashed the President to dissolve Congress and give them all of America's money and shut down NATO. Also had something to do with some Chinese company being involved with illegal nerve gas dumping, nautical insurance fraud, and hijacking Russian plots.
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Sep 16, 2019 04:12
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Clancy did have an ecoterrorist book and it was way, way better than blowing up oil facilities. It had greenpeace stand-ins genetically engineering Ebola to be more virulent and spreading it through the ventilation at the 2000 Sydney Olympics in order to kill humanity to save the planet That book was so outrageously stupid and I love it.
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Mortabis posted:Clancy did have an ecoterrorist book and it was way, way better than blowing up oil facilities. It had greenpeace stand-ins genetically engineering Ebola to be more virulent and spreading it through the ventilation at the 2000 Sydney Olympics in order to kill humanity to save the planet And it spawned a super successful video game series
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Mortabis posted:Clancy did have an ecoterrorist book and it was way, way better than blowing up oil facilities. It had greenpeace stand-ins genetically engineering Ebola to be more virulent and spreading it through the ventilation at the 2000 Sydney Olympics in order to kill humanity to save the planet I thought that despite how scary it appears, most people know Ebola is actually pretty bad at being a successful virus?
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Flikken posted:And it spawned a super successful video game series Yeah don't worry I saved the world on that mission.
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The book went into detail about how most of the work was making the virus be mistaken for a cold for weeks and the sheathing for the virus to make it survivable in water and air. Plus they had the support of this chick in the presidents cabinet i believe? Some high scientific position in the government
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Captain Log posted:I thought that despite how scary it appears, most people know Ebola is actually pretty bad at being a successful virus? Ebola only spreads through bodily fluids (blood and semen I think) but in the book they modify it to spread via airborne droplets like the flu.
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Mortabis posted:Ebola only spreads through bodily fluids (blood and semen I think) If it were just blood and semen, it'd be way less awful. Add feces and vomit. There's your main problem area when dealing with people who initially don't look deathly ill. At least it doesn't really pass through saliva or sweat.
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Captain Log posted:I thought that despite how scary it appears, most people know Ebola is actually pretty bad at being a successful virus? The way a virus becomes successful is the same way you get to Carnegie Hall. And Ebola Reston, even though it's not *currently* lethal to humans, is still transmissible to us and has shown evidence of airborne transmission. Ice Fist posted:So that image. What exactly am I looking at? I see the holes in the tanks, but there seems to be a significant lack of "boom" from the damage. Most oil tanks - and especially the tanks that'd be at that facility - are designed to 'blow out and burn' rather than explode. Look up oil tank fires on Youtube. You'll find *some* explosions, but most of them just show a tank burning from the top like a big tea candle. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 05:13 on Sep 16, 2019 |
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BIG HEADLINE posted:The way a virus becomes successful is the same way you get to Carnegie Hall. I thought a no bullshit cure/vaccination for Ebola was developed recently?
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tangy yet delightful posted:Yeah don't worry I saved the world on that mission. You and Ding.
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Flikken posted:I thought a no bullshit cure/vaccination for Ebola was developed recently? Vaccination's just one step. There's still no 'cure' for Ebola once you're infected other than palliative care and bolstering/support of the immune system. There are also now *six* different strains of Ebola. Merck's vaccine originally claimed 70-100% efficacy in preventing transmission. Recently they're claiming as high as 97.5%. I'm fairly sure it does *something*, but anyone who's willing to be vaccinated against Ebola in the areas currently under threat of it is also probably following guidelines on how to reduce their risk of infection, too.
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Dante80 posted:God is great, death to the US, death to Israel, curse the Jews, and victory for Islam.* For anybody just joining us that's the Houthi flag: 
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C.M. Kruger posted:For anybody just joining us that's the Houthi flag:  I also think Ebola has more of a spy thriller mega weapon ring to it then, "Antibiotic Resistant Cold."
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Arm Control Wonk discusses the attacks on Saudi Arabia
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Splode posted:Greenpeace fired them to increase the cost of oil Shell oil fired them. As your resident infectious disease specialist just want to chime in and say that Big Headline is correct on everything so far.
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The bubbleshaped things with the holes in them are gas storage tanks, right? Wouldn't it have made a lot of sense to hit the mess of pipes in the upper half of the picture instead? Those seem like they're probably the actual refinery and they did go for the one in the left of the image.
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aphid_licker posted:The bubbleshaped things with the holes in them are gas storage tanks, right? Wouldn't it have made a lot of sense to hit the mess of pipes in the upper half of the picture instead? Those seem like they're probably the actual refinery and they did go for the one in the left of the image. Wonder if they were hoping those would detonate maybe?
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That Works posted:Wonder if they were hoping those would detonate maybe? Yeah but they seem like they're pretty far from the complicated-engineering-looking stuff. Just for basic OSHA / insurance / whatever reasons it would make sense to place storage so it can't take out the entire facility even in a bad scenario. I'd totally have hit those mutated pipe organ looking things rather than the tanks.
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Doctor Grape Ape posted:Do cruise missiles usually travel in a straight line? I know they have the ability to be steered/programmed to go places, but flying a direct path from launch to target seems like a pretty dumb thing to do. If you’re speaking about actual state-actor cruise missiles, almost always no. Since you can’t launch them all simultaneously, they’ll have waypoints coordinated so that you achieve a very short time-on-target window, both for surprise, and to overwhelm defenses. This also serves to mask the inbound bearing to the launch platform, in the case of a submarine or ship launch. The target might eventually figure out where they came from, given a few hours to review radar tapes, but a snapshot down the inbound bearing won’t do much. Not in any way implying that this was or was not a state actor though. I don’t think even the Iranians are this loving stupid. The revolutionary guard probably is though...
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Mortabis posted:Clancy did have an ecoterrorist book and it was way, way better than blowing up oil facilities. It had greenpeace stand-ins genetically engineering Ebola to be more virulent and spreading it through the ventilation at the 2000 Sydney Olympics in order to kill humanity to save the planet He had more than one book with weaponized Ebola in it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Orders is the one I remember.
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Buttcoin purse posted:He had more than one book with weaponized Ebola in it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Orders is the one I remember. Rainbow Six, as well.
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MrYenko posted:Rainbow Six, as well. That was the book they were referring to in the first place. 
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aphid_licker posted:Yeah but they seem like they're pretty far from the complicated-engineering-looking stuff. Just for basic OSHA / insurance / whatever reasons it would make sense to place storage so it can't take out the entire facility even in a bad scenario. I'd totally have hit those mutated pipe organ looking things rather than the tanks.
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aphid_licker posted:The bubbleshaped things with the holes in them are gas storage tanks, right? Wouldn't it have made a lot of sense to hit the mess of pipes in the upper half of the picture instead? Those seem like they're probably the actual refinery and they did go for the one in the left of the image. That level of targeting accuracy seems like it would be tough for even a tomahawk. I've only seem the one photo of the damage, but wouldn't 2nd tier Iranian cruise missiles basically rain down at random around the whole refinery? It doesn't seem like too much of a stretch to imagine that some determined people could sneak into place a few miles away and use shorter range drones with visual targeting.
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aphid_licker posted:Yeah but they seem like they're pretty far from the complicated-engineering-looking stuff. Just for basic OSHA / insurance / whatever reasons it would make sense to place storage so it can't take out the entire facility even in a bad scenario. I'd totally have hit those mutated pipe organ looking things rather than the tanks. I'm guessing those tanks are a bit complex/important since they're spherical but I know jack poo poo about refining.
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Cyrano4747 posted:The historical examples that always get cited involve people up to their eyeballs in debt. It’s one of those things where when you’re a month away from your life imploding a low rent life preserver gets appealing. This is one of the questions and reviews that always happen when you need to re-up your clearance. They run a FULL and I mean full credit check. If you have lovely finances its a good possibility you will lose your clearance...
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EvilMerlin posted:This is one of the questions and reviews that always happen when you need to re-up your clearance. They run a FULL and I mean full credit check. something, something, entire Trump administration
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The Globe and Mail has several articles on this Canadian senior spy, but they are naturally behind the paywall The person in question was apparently on a committee dealing with money laundering; it wouldn't surprise me to learn he was taking bribes to keep someone in the loop
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Also can I just say that the disease for depopulation is obviously smallpox? After all, you need about $100,000 and some specialized equipment and knowledge to reconstitute it, but the skills are those of a microbiological undergrad---- BRB, somebody's knocking at the door
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