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Fallen Hamprince posted:https://twitter.com/DavidNakamura/status/1169959736034377730?s=20
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https://twitter.com/YonhapNews/status/1171081984216465409 Also in the same day https://twitter.com/ZcohenCNN/status/1171190587267133441
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https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1171453886541910019?s=20 E: lol https://twitter.com/markknoller/status/1171454430325010436?s=20
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I never liked Bolton. I thought he was too aggressive and a bit of a nut. Still, he least seemed to understand that America's enemies were... enemies. Welp, North Korea Uber Alles here we come.
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Jagged Jim posted:https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1171453886541910019?s=20 This makes me so drat happy
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Necrotizer F posted:I never liked Bolton. I thought he was too aggressive and a bit of a nut. Still, he least seemed to understand that America's enemies were... enemies. Welp, North Korea Uber Alles here we come. Yes better to just go to war, if tens of millions of Koreans die well that's just the price you need to pay for Freedom
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After his misadventures in the Bush admin I'm still in amazement he received another position in government, instead of a position swinging from a light pole like he deserves.
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Necrotizer F posted:I never liked Bolton. I thought he was too aggressive and a bit of a nut. Still, he least seemed to understand that America's enemies were... enemies. Welp, North Korea Uber Alles here we come. yea we need a firm hand with the treacherous oriental, lest they be allowed to run unchecked!
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North Korea is only Americas enemy if you take North Korean statements at face value.
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There's a bit of a gap between 'kneecap all diplomatic efforts w/ NK' and 'Kim and I are in love.'
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Tias posted:North Korea is only Americas enemy if you take North Korean statements at face value.
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They hate us for our freedom.
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Are they still mad about the carpet bombing? That was Granddaddy's fault!
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Halloween Jack posted:Are they still mad about the carpet bombing? That was Granddaddy's fault! Most be something else.
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Going from Korea to Japan mid-boycott at this very moment. I didn't get any of those $10 flights though.  The students learned I was going, and all week, I've had students coming to my office to tell me, "No, Japan bad! Don't go there!" but then also, "Bring back snacks," haha. They're taking the boycott pretty seriously though. I've had to answer even for the Daiso bag that I carried stuff in with one day. Shadow0 fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Sep 11, 2019 |
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Sep 11, 2019 23:00
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Jagged Jim posted:They hate us because they anus.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Pfft we carpet bombed Europe and those guys love us. Doesn't internal NK propaganda actually downplay the carpet bombing (because it makes Kim il-Sung look weak) in favor of made-up, sneakier atrocities?
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Y'all working pretty hard to ignore the obvious: That enmity towards the US is fabricated, maintained and used by the NK ruling class (and spread far and wide by gullible goons), though playing into it serves no purpose except propping up said rulers.
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Boy sure is weird, it's almost like North Korea's ruling class is some kind of bogus conservative monarchy that gets to ride on crises they made for themselves, like the entire Korean War, and has given up all pretense towards universal social care like guarenteed food and medicine over 20 years ago or something. You might almost say monarchy is... bad?
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Silver2195 posted:Doesn't internal NK propaganda actually downplay the carpet bombing (because it makes Kim il-Sung look weak) in favor of made-up, sneakier atrocities?
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yes, when have missionaries ever done harm to anyone
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Tias posted:Y'all working pretty hard to ignore the obvious: That enmity towards the US is fabricated, maintained and used by the NK ruling class (and spread far and wide by gullible goons), though playing into it serves no purpose except propping up said rulers. Why would that enmity be fake when there's nearly an entire century of reasons for it to be real?
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You're talking as if the US supported a military dictator who was champing at the bit to go to war himself. Crazy! But playing devil's advocate: DPRK literature tends not to focus on the actual details of the war, since it wouldn't favour the cult of personality.
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HorseLord posted:Why would that enmity be fake when there's nearly an entire century of reasons for it to be real? Dear HorseLord: The well-founded reasons common north koreans have to hate the US doesn't matter, since the policies of North Korea are not based on democratic franchise, but the personal interests of a corrupt oligarchy. Of course the propaganda is planted in fertile soil, but we outside observers should not act like it's some immutable feature of the inscrutable Korean, since it's explicitly supported and expanded upon by the NK elite.
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I don't know why inscrutable Korean is even a thing. Just about anything that has ever been called that only applies to exactly one half of the Korean peninsula and the other side's corresponding structure usually works according to completely different standards, or straight up doesn't even exist at all. Well I guess except the oranges. Everyone has dumb arguments about whose in-laws get the fancy oranges for thanksgiving presents. Boring stuff like that pretty much never comes up in that context though.
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Some Guy TT posted:Well I guess except the oranges. There's only one of those in the white house. Dohohoho.
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Halloween Jack posted:You're talking as if the US supported a military dictator who was champing at the bit to go to war himself. Crazy! The US refused to sell heavy weapons to the authoritarian rear end in a top hat president in the South (he was elected and not yet through his first term by the time the North attacked, so just a lovely president at the time) because they were afraid he'd go and start a war. Also pulled the US troops out, which was basically what Kim Il Sung was waiting for. Sadly the rear end in a top hat Soviet officer put in charge of the North was not subject to that kind of restriction.
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Some Guy TT posted:I don't know why inscrutable Korean is even a thing. Granted, the DPRK is something of a breed apart from the rest of Asia, because we have an entirely different set of ideologies that we don't understand and use to explain inexplicable behaviour.
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Tias posted:Dear HorseLord: Ah so the enmity is real, and justified, but also illegitimate because reasons.
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HorseLord posted:Ah so the enmity is real, and justified, but also illegitimate because reasons. Countries at war with each other are expected to be enemies yes. Perhaps some day the country who launched the initial unprovoked and illegitimate invasion on the Korean peninsula will admit defeat and sign a proper peace treaty, which would start the groundwork for no longer being at war with several dozen countries and the UN.
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I'd say forcing their government out of power at gunpoint below the 38th parallel and then replacing it with a fascist dictatorship is a provocation
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HorseLord posted:I'd say forcing their government out of power at gunpoint below the 38th parallel and then replacing it with a fascist dictatorship is a provocation The only group forcing governments out of power at gunpoint was Kim Il Sung's illegal invasion force.
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"The PRK didn't exist" - fishmech
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HorseLord posted:"The PRK didn't exist" - fishmech No such entity as the PRK existed in the north or south of Korea at the time Kim Il Sung brutally invaded the south of Korea.
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Actually fishmech's position is the same one held by the United States government both then and now. Our unwillingness to acknowledge that the North Korean government actually exists is the main reason we have a permanent standoff. I am curious about something though fishmech. You admit that Kim Sung-il was forcing the South Korean government out of power at gunpoint and you also concede, I presume, that Kim Sung-il and his supporters were Korean. So wouldn't it be most accurate to describe the Korean War in that case as a civil war?
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Some Guy TT posted:Actually fishmech's position is the same one held by the United States government both then and now. Our unwillingness to acknowledge that the North Korean government actually exists is the main reason we have a permanent standoff. Incorrect. The main reason it exists is that North Korea refuses to accept a peace treaty from the UN. Why do you think civil war is relevant?
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Some Guy TT posted:Actually fishmech's position is the same one held by the United States government both then and now. Our unwillingness to acknowledge that the North Korean government actually exists is the main reason we have a permanent standoff. Can you elaborate on what exactly you mean by the USA's "unwillingness to acknowledge that the North Korean government actually exists" because that is a borderline nonsensical assertion as it stands.
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It means we don't recognize them diplomatically. Which as you might have guessed, makes it awfully difficult to sign a peace treaty with them.
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Some Guy TT posted:It means we don't recognize them diplomatically. Which as you might have guessed, makes it awfully difficult to sign a peace treaty with them. Wow, sounds like they should knock off things like missile programs if they want that sort of thing! Almost like they're avoiding any end to the war on purpose.
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