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I'm anime only but I read that as a result of being constantly in a state of total concentration breathing which is why a bunch of the hashiras have the same pupilless eyes
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Lt. Lizard posted:Zenitsu There must be some great pay-off and development of his character later, considering all the people loving him here, I personally like Zenitsu as is.
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Sep 16, 2019 02:29
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Zenitsu is fine, it's just his rants sometimes overstay their already lukewarm welcome.
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Sep 16, 2019 02:49
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Terrible Opinions posted:Like honest question why would a later pay-off make people like a character who was bad for a long period of time? A character's whole journey should be built into the intended audience reaction and appreciation for the work. A character who's bad for the first three hours of a work is a bad character regardless of later developments. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ikGvLUbOuU
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Sep 16, 2019 02:57
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Zenitsu is (mostly) a good boy and I won't let this denigration of his (kinda lovely) character stand! He's just a dumbass kid.
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Sep 16, 2019 05:35
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zenitsu is a little over the top, but like that someone is reacting to the zany world of demons. I actually like his horny routine less than his normal bitching, but it was fine in this episode.
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Sep 16, 2019 05:37
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Centzon Totochtin posted:I'm anime only but I read that as a result of being constantly in a state of total concentration breathing which is why a bunch of the hashiras have the same pupilless eyes Yeah martial arts breathing bullshit is the muscles equivalent of that myth that we only use 5% of our brain.
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Sep 16, 2019 14:46
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:Zenitsu is (mostly) a good boy and I won't let this denigration of his (kinda lovely) character stand! 
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Sep 16, 2019 14:58
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zenitsu has a pretty rational, sane reaction to existing in a world where demons rove around eating humans and slayers have the life expectancy of a fruit fly
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Sep 16, 2019 17:02
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sane or rational are very bad descriptors for how zenitsu acts 99% of the time
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Sep 16, 2019 21:57
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If the only thing wrong with Zenitsu was a (totally justified) fear of demons, he'd be no different than any other scaredy cat character who can dig deep and find their courage when the chips are down It's all the other poo poo that's annoying! How you gonna complain about taking the medicine that de-stumpifies your limbs?! If you wanna have stumps instead, go right ahead!
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Sep 16, 2019 23:09
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Dude, it's really bitter.
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Sep 16, 2019 23:12
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Zenitsu isn't logical he's a whiny rear end in a top hat which is wonderful.
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Sep 16, 2019 23:16
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Terrible Opinions posted:Zenitsu isn't logical he's a whiny rear end in a top hat which is wonderful. This doesn't compute.
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Sep 17, 2019 03:11
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Kids gonna kid
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Sep 17, 2019 03:12
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ViggyNash posted:This doesn't compute. Same as Luigi in the Paper Mario games or Squidward.
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Sep 17, 2019 03:59
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Slightly off-the-beaten-path thought/idea, but here it goes: Zenitsu kinda reminds me more of Aqua from KonoSuba than Mineta, Miroku or whoever, even if he does have elements of those types of characters. I think that's made him way more tolerable in my eyes.
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Sep 17, 2019 04:12
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It's also uncalled for to compare him to Mineta, a character entirely defined by being both completely useless and thoroughly repugnant in his behavior towards women.
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Sep 17, 2019 07:24
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Zenitsu is pathetic, and is treated as pathetic by everyone around him. The narrative doesn't ignore or condone his behavior. Mineta is sexually harassing someone every time he's on screen but it's contextually treated like it's a hilarious joke. He sucks on a level Zenitsu doesn't even approach.
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Sep 17, 2019 07:26
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Conspiratiorist posted:It's also uncalled for to compare him to Mineta, a character entirely defined by being both completely useless and thoroughly repugnant in his behavior towards women. I'll give you that second one. But he's far from useless.
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Sep 17, 2019 07:56
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I think they can both suck in their own slightly different ways. The existence of one is irrelevant to the other. The problem with Zenitsu, I feel, is that he wastes too much of the audiences time hooting and hollering when a very brief amount of time spent on his reactions would be sufficient. And that's more of a pacing problem, I feel? Like, he doesn't need to be screaming on screen for five minutes straight when it would've been sufficient to just spend one minute on it and move on without him repeating himself all the time. But it's not really just a Zenitsu problem. Like, the show is pretty decent all things considered and far removed from the usual shounen hellscape of awful pacing, it just sometimes seems a bit oddly paced and bumbles in the weirdest places. And maybe that's on them trying to strictly match chapters or including every bit of text from the source, rather than doing their own thing? Zenitsu screaming about nothing probably doesn't disrupt the flow of the manga as much as it grinds the show to a halt. Just guessing here, haven't read the manga.
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Sep 17, 2019 08:53
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Zenitsu is pathetic, and is treated as pathetic by everyone around him. The narrative doesn't ignore or condone his behavior. Um, literally every single time Zenitsu was in vicinity of an attractive female character and was able to move, he tried to harass her and it was always treated as a joke. In this very episode there was like 5 minute long comedic segment where he has a tirade about how incredibly cool it is that they can touch girls during the recuperation sessions, which ends with him coping a feel during a game of tag and getting slapped for it. Both him and Mineta are cowardly, react to incredible situations they end up with as a result of their profession as an ordinary human would, are generally considered pathetic but can be badass if backed in the corner and have absolutely horrible attitude and behavior towards women, which is treated as comedy (unfortunately). The only big difference is that Zenitsu is major character, while Mineta is a minor one, so Zenitsu has a lot more space to be badass and show other sides of his character then just being a sex pest.
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Sep 17, 2019 09:07
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All this whining about Zenitsu is reminding me of Zenitsu's whining.
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Sep 17, 2019 18:02
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I just caught up, what an amazing show! I didn't like how the leaders were like, "She may kill humans so we can't trust her" while talking about killing a human. People who talk that easily about murder have probably killed some people and shouldn't really be judging.
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LorneReams posted:I just caught up, what an amazing show! It turns out that people who are adept at killing things are not the most well rounded individuals out there.
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Sep 17, 2019 20:04
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Also pretty strong indications that they've all suffered massive trauma of one form or another.
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Sep 17, 2019 21:42
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I just felt like, wow, these guys are going to gently caress up and kill the doctor lady dooming their world.
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Sep 17, 2019 22:27
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Zenitsu is amazingly cool and absolutely terrible. He's both good and annoying. I think he's a good foil to Tanjiro's earnestness and unwavering courage.
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Sep 17, 2019 22:56
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The one thing I love about Zenitsu unconditionally is that it gave us the best early Tanjiro reaction face.
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Sep 17, 2019 23:20
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Tanjiro being unable to deal with Zenitsu's perfectly reasonable and mortal objections to fighting monsters has the same energy as Goku learning to drive a car. e: though as I recall, in that scene Zenitsu is being weird and gross, the point stands. Anything that stumps saintly good boy is bound to be funny. Solanumai fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Sep 17, 2019 |
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Sep 17, 2019 23:37
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my issue is more with the screaming voice acting than the characterization, it's grating and gives me a headache
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Shere posted:Tanjiro being unable to deal with Zenitsu's perfectly reasonable and mortal objections to fighting monsters has the same energy as Goku learning to drive a car. Not really? From Tanjiro perspective, Zenitsu is a Slayer like him, he presumably went through the same training and selection exam. He's not a civilian, so him freaking out this badly is pretty off-putting.
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Neo_Crimson posted:Not really? From Tanjiro perspective, Zenitsu is a Slayer like him, he presumably went through the same training and selection exam. He's not a civilian, so him freaking out this badly is pretty off-putting. It's kinda hard to call a teenage kid "not a civilian" though. They're basically child soldiers and although they are competent, it's still gotta be really bad for one's psyche.
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Sep 18, 2019 22:37
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not in the fiction of this show. the joke is that zenitsu is pathetic and the reason you can sympathize with him is because he knows it
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Sep 18, 2019 22:41
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What is the general age for slayers anyway? All the Hashiras look young to me.
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Electric Phantasm posted:What is the general age for slayers anyway? All the Hashiras look young to me. They're mostly pretty young. Tanjiro 15 Inosuke 15 Zenitsu 16 Rock 27 Sound 23 Flame 20 Water 21 Wind 21 Love 19 Mist 14 Snake 21 Insect 18
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Electric Phantasm posted:What is the general age for slayers anyway? All the Hashiras look young to me. The Hashiras are all in their late teens or early 20s, except for Stone hashira Gyomei Himejima (late 20s) and Mist hashira Muichiro Tokito, who I think is around the same age (or younger?) as the three protagonists.
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They all vary, but even the "oldest" is relatively young. And yeah, Tokito (small kid with long hair) is Nezuko's age.
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Sep 19, 2019 00:50
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Their job has a very high turnover rate, and the veteran who don't die are often forced into early retirement because of injuries.
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I like Zenitsu because if Tanjiro came upon a demon with like some bizarre deformity and acid for blood he'd be like "Oh, poor thing, a life time of torment turned him into this monster... I'll hug him!" where as Zenitsu will rightly yell "You want me to fight this? Really? It has acid for blood you know that, right? I'm supposed to cut it but if it bleeds I'll die? What the gently caress?" ad infinitum like I would do.
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