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Wait, is the Mythical Man Month ESR?
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# ? Sep 17, 2019 22:54 |
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# ? Jun 9, 2024 10:28 |
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Yeah RMS at least had the 'harmless eccentric' vibe whereas ESR was always awful
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# ? Sep 17, 2019 22:55 |
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# ? Sep 17, 2019 22:55 |
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This whole episode has made me realize I need to have a canned response to "Why should people lose their livelihood just for expressing an opinion?" that touches on why "opinions" like "actually the pedophile did nothing wrong" are actually not "just opinions." and its not an abridgment of the ~principle~ of freedom of speech to not want to associate with creeps. Im not good at elucidating my thoughts on the fly and I want to have something better than lol gently caress off. Anyone have a good, concise argument to that effect?
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# ? Sep 17, 2019 22:55 |
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freedom from censorship does not mean freedom from consequences
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# ? Sep 17, 2019 23:13 |
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Schadenboner posted:Wait, is the Mythical Man Month ESR? no that's fred brooks esr wrote the cathedral and the bazaar, which i haven't read
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# ? Sep 17, 2019 23:14 |
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Soricidus posted:this is true, but I feel like more people have taken rms seriously. despite the declining importance of gnu, it has at least produced a bunch of worthwhile software that’s still widely used, whereas esr was a one-hit wonder with a book nobody remembers anything about but the title. well rms should have been taken more seriously, because he actually wrote things and had good ideas, like gcc and the gpl. esr just wrote a book filled with objectively false statements and cashed the gently caress in. This is not to say he should still be at mit, dude shoulda been cast out long ago. But the fact that he's a piece of poo poo doesn't make the GPL a bad idea and it doesn't make emacs a bad editor (overreliance on key chording is what makes emacs a bad editor lol)
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# ? Sep 17, 2019 23:21 |
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also that "eight megs and constantly swapping" thing
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# ? Sep 17, 2019 23:24 |
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Soricidus posted:freedom from censorship does not mean freedom from consequences its good but specifically trying to attack the argument that there's such a thing as "just an opinion" as if its somehow doesn't have ramifications in society. its like the social equivalent of the frictionless-sphere-in-a-vacuum-on-an-infinite-plane assumptions in physics.
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# ? Sep 17, 2019 23:24 |
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hobbesmaster posted:also that "eight megs and constantly swapping" thing jesus man get an av your posts are like fuckin wafer thin
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# ? Sep 17, 2019 23:27 |
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rotor posted:(overreliance on key chording is what makes emacs a bad editor lol) "oh boy... here we go again!! " *trumpet sting, freeze frame* SUPERIMPOSE: Executive Producer: James YOSPOS is filmed in front of a dead studio audience
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# ? Sep 17, 2019 23:29 |
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Sit, Ubu, sit. Good dog.
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# ? Sep 17, 2019 23:32 |
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i wonder if he's going to keep staying in his broom closet at mit, now that he's just some random gross dude squatting there
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# ? Sep 17, 2019 23:37 |
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gpl is horrible insofar as it comes wrapped in the ideology that demonizes any legal framework under which people who write software for the general public might get paid
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# ? Sep 17, 2019 23:39 |
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thats fine though, the gpl doesn't require you to only offer the software under its terms and requires that if people don't want to keep it open source then they have to pay you
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# ? Sep 17, 2019 23:45 |
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Broken Machine posted:i wonder if he's going to keep staying in his broom closet at mit, now that he's just some random gross dude squatting there i honestly half-expect him to basically permanently relocate to some south american country
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# ? Sep 17, 2019 23:48 |
Lutha Mahtin posted:iirc he got that genius grant money decades ago and lives off the investment. this sounds believable to me because it's clear the guy doesn't care much for fine clothes, expensive toys, etc https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/1174080160242503681
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# ? Sep 17, 2019 23:53 |
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Gazpacho posted:gpl is horrible insofar as it comes wrapped in the ideology that demonizes any legal framework under which people who write software for the general public might get paid the GPL is the only mainstream open source license that isn't just volunteer work for startups If you want to sell software, sell software. GPL ain't stoppin' you. What's stopping you is all the other motherfuckers cloning your poo poo and giving it away free for any use at all.
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# ? Sep 17, 2019 23:54 |
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You should not write open source code at all. If you absolutely must, please license it under GPL3.
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# ? Sep 17, 2019 23:58 |
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Gazpacho posted:I lifted my head from its grass pillow and eyed the bee as it crawled along the dark veins of my shaft, as if following a directional line like you get in a public hospital. I may have emitted a faint ‘hmm’ of intrigue, a natural reaction for I’d yet to see a fellow human, let alone flying insect, crawl along my penis. Holy poo poo, this is inspired, dude.
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 00:12 |
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rotor posted:You should not write open source code at all. If you absolutely must, please license it under GPL3. i like the creative commons (non-commercial) licenses, they're easy to navigate and chill. you just say how you want it shared and attributed and that's basically it also bsd or 'free beer'
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 00:13 |
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WTFPL is the answer
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 00:18 |
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rotor posted:the GPL is the only mainstream open source license that isn't just volunteer work for startups don’t forget agpl if it’s likely to run on a server
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 00:18 |
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rotor posted:You should not write open source code at all. If you absolutely must, please license it under GPL3. If I am going to release some dumb-rear end hobby code of mine online, I am going to do it with something like the Affero GPL3. This has many advantages: - Nobody will use my product. This ensures that I never have to listen to whiny, entitled users. - Corollary to the first point, nobody will file bug reports. Thus I can spend my free time relaxing, with no embarrassing public bugs to my name - It will scare away all the ESR lolbertarian types. Good fuckin' riddance. - However, using this license might actually attract the RMS creepers. No problem boss, all I gotta do then is just copy and paste a basic "don't be creepy" Code of Conduct from some other project. Boom, problem solved.
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 00:40 |
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Lutha Mahtin posted:If I am going to release some dumb-rear end hobby code of mine online, I am going to do it with something like the Affero GPL3. This has many advantages: Just BSD it, nobody cares, it's just there, some kid might find it interesting. And do something cool. Or not. e: You don't get to pick if the kid does something cool or not, that's what pissed me off about the GPL 20 years ago.
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 00:45 |
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you are aware this is the funy computer forum right
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 00:53 |
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hobbesmaster posted:also that "eight megs and constantly swapping" thing edit meta alt control shift
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 00:54 |
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Lutha Mahtin posted:you are aware this is the funy computer forum right I bought you a new av!
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 00:56 |
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Gazpacho posted:i suspect that the linus takedown was influenced by vendor politics surrounding the rotten way he behaved during the spectre episode i missed this background to the Linus thing, got any pointers to more? i didn’t pay much attention, thought that maybe he finally noticed how toxic he was on his own
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 01:03 |
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otoh it sounds like Intel deserved it
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 01:04 |
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BobHoward posted:i missed this background to the Linus thing, got any pointers to more? i didn’t pay much attention, thought that maybe he finally noticed how toxic he was on his own The takeaway was Linus going "AGH! Any bug is a bug and security bugs are no important than anything else!" queue researchers figuring out how to pull what should have been secure data from parallel VMs.
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 01:09 |
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quote:I’m just wondering if anybody cared for the man and his work. I do and basically owe my life to it, so I care for the man in his time of need. quote:I don't know the man. I don't know what is in his heart. He doesn't need, nor hopefully want, my support. I know of his advocacy, and I've read what he said in email recently that got him into trouble. I dislike the culture we've built that requires we tear down any sort of heterodoxy, no matter how mild. But I also know I shouldn't engage in public conversation or written discussion about child rape of any kind. it is folly. So I ask you, Burton: What is your objective? If it is merely to support RMS personally, message him. By posting here, it seems more to be provocative online and I therefore must question your motives. Certainly you must have been able to expect the standard array of responses to such a post... so were you looking for any one in particular that you can engage in? I can formulate a few. I just don't think it's worth any more time. quote:I do not worship false idols but I am there for friends in need. Good luck on your search for humanism. I hope you are thrown into the fire someday to see how it feels. quote:How is it we value free speech, but there are certain discussions you just cannot have, even in a rational and measured way, without risking making yourself completely unemployable. You should be able to have a questionable viewpoint in a discussion, without worrying about the lynch mob ending your career. there needs to be a database for people who defend pedophilia online
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 01:35 |
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Lain Iwakura posted:there needs to be a database for people who defend pedophilia online christ yes i was just thinking about this while walking. i mean at this point i'd certainly check the chudbase if making hiring decisions.
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 01:41 |
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Lain Iwakura posted:there needs to be a database for people who defend pedophilia online its at https://www.lp.org OP
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 01:44 |
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i don't really remember the context around linus' sabbatical but at least the dude is just garden variety vociferous/abrasive. or at least i'm not aware of him bumping it up to chud factor five
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 01:44 |
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Hexyflexy posted:Just BSD it, nobody cares, it's just there, some kid might find it interesting. And do something cool. Or not. i been thinking about this and if i ever wrote anything it'd be released under all rights reserved
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 01:46 |
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quote:This has been said before, but free speech is beyond just government censorship and has a wider definition. Regardless of that, the idea that someone's livelihood is under threat due to their speech can be just as coercive as threatening a fine or jail for their speech. The idea that government chilling is someone kinder than private chilling is wrong. quote:But my freedom of speech should trump your freedom to spin up angry Internet mobs that proceed to turn my words into lies that they use to rip my life apart.
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 01:47 |
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the only true free software license is the WTFPLcode:
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 01:48 |
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are these PMs you're getting or someone itt's post history? :o off to see if i can register chudba.se , someone please spin up the wiki
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 01:48 |
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psiox posted:i don't really remember the context around linus' sabbatical but at least the dude is just garden variety vociferous/abrasive. or at least i'm not aware of him bumping it up to chud factor five famous last words lol
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