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Calvin Coolposts posted:How does a mediation like this work? Is it just the lawyers for both sides try to hash it out, or is there an actual neutral third-party mediator that can tell the judge that it was Vic's side that hosed up the mediation (as will inevitably be the case)? It's just a negotiation between the counsels. There isn't a mediator unless the two sides decide that's how they want to go about it. A settlement can include almost anything that the two sides agree to (public apologies, non-defamation, cease-and-desists, of course money), whereas a judge's ruling would do little beyond monetary penalties. Really, this changes little cause the parties always have had the option to settle. The judge is just saying he won't rule until his deadline, giving them maximum opportunity to do so. As earlier posts said, the twitterlaw folks think the judge is giving Vic a final chance to take a hard look at how much he could end up being sanctioned for, and really consider if he wants to go all the way with this. It's not uncommon for a judge to send a message like this to someone whom they've already decided to take the hammer to. But Vic's lawyers seem inept enough that they'll miss the giant neon sign he's hanging in front of them. That said, the defense now has little motivation to settle for anything short of huge concessions, after the plaintiff's case got pretty thoroughly smashed and the majority of the claims dismissed with prejudice. So it's a lifeline, but hardly a painless one.
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Let's have a second to chat about litigation strategy here. Nick & Team want to drag this out. THey wan tto sue many more people and drag their name through the mud. So do you: * Settle this, and prevent the bench from issuing any other judgement, paying fines from whatever and then suing your next victims. OR * let the judge rule, rule Vic libel-proof, and allow any further actions to reference this legal fact finding. Which do you do?
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Julias posted:To give you an idea of the level of "brain-genius"/gaslighting these people are operating on: One more problem with that, besides them clearly being dismissed at the TCPA hearing. https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1174119940640649216?s=20
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Namtab posted:The lawyers try to negotiate a settlement which, at this point, will probably be along the following lines: This is what would happen if Vic had a real lawyer. Instead Ty is going to see this as a good thing for his suit and try to get the defendants to pony up some money, or retract their allegations.
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https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1174129771120345088?s=21 There's a mediator appointed. Vic has to show up, whenever they decide to get together for this
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Ignis posted:
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Ignis posted:https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1174129771120345088?s=21 Ahaha the idiot threatening him showed up earlier in the thread. That’s just amazing.
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look at https://www.lacymalone.com/davidseidler .... This dude is having a working retirement from disbarring idiots like ty.... I don't think this is going the way they want.
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I wonder if they'll just concede everything at the mediation and then just pretend this was their win. It's worked for them so far, between all the gaslighting and general fuckery, so why not just give their audience the narrative they want and complete the grift. The VicStans don't seem like they can comprehend this poo poo or read the actual documents so just post some youtube nonsense with an aggressive spin and you're good to go. Like, that probably wouldn't be good for Vic as far as the actual settlement is concerned, but I guess it might save "some" face for these incompetent grifters?
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The mediation isn't public, Greg pointed out that both parties could very well agree on non-disclosure and we would never know how exactly things ended. But I would imagine the Ds (the ones that aren't Funi at least) would prefer a public outcome, so Nick and co can't spin it into something that might lead to further harassment for months to come.
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Can’t wait to hear how this mediator is biased and inept. Edit: oh wow I guess I have a cool new avatar
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Zwiebel posted:I wonder if they'll just concede everything at the mediation and then just pretend this was their win. It's probably their best option. One advantage to settling out of court is that it removes some of the drama from a court case by cutting off the "climax" of a judge giving a verdict. It makes the story behind things less interesting and thus people will move on faster. Granted, this case has been... weird with how many eyes are gazing at every development, so I'm not sure if it'd be possible to take a quiet defeat at this point. I try not to get my hopes up in regards to court cases too much, they nearly always have disappointed me. Sure has been an entertaining trainwreck so far, though!
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The defense has pretty much no reason to accept a settlement with a gag order or whatever it's called keeping them from talking about the case in the future, right? Like, several of the defendants specifically *want* to be able to keep informing people what a sex pest Vic is? And with Vic's lawyers having no leverage... I'm just curious about the odds of a settlement that gets us absolutely no public details because I really wanna wallow in ISWV tears and it'd suck to miss out. My complete layman read is that the defense is holding absolutely all the cards and were I in that situation I'd make Vic promise the moon to get me to settle. Or at the very least publicly admit that he was wrong and promise to seek therapy or whatever nonsense celebrities do to get out of trouble for being sex pests.
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With how much harassment the defendants have received I'd be shocked if they agreed to a confidentiality agreement. I'm sure they realize that accepting one would only be beneficial to Vic and would keep the level of harassment going. Edit: Yup, defense has all of the leverage after that train wreck performance from Ty. mallratcal fucked around with this message at 06:41 on Sep 18, 2019 |
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Yeah I can't imagine the defendants agreeing to any type of gag order beyond maybe agreeing not to disclose how large of a payout they're getting. Quick question, if mediation doesn't work and the judge ends up fining Vic, where does the fine go? I know the defense lawyers get paid, and I think there's also court fees, so the state will recomp whatever they spent paying the judge to listen to this BS, but what about the punitive damages?
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Skwirl posted:Yeah I can't imagine the defendants agreeing to any type of gag order beyond maybe agreeing not to disclose how large of a payout they're getting. Not 100% but if Vic decides he doesn't want to pay the defense lawyers and whatever the sanctions end up being, the lawyers/defendants would have to sue Vic. Law twitter has said that the defendants could possibly put leans on his property (I have no idea how that process happens) Vic could always declare bankruptcy (unlikely as it's rumored he has $4 million in the bank. Edit: I'm wrong. Vic would be held in contempt if he doesn't pay. Then the state starts selling his stuff. mallratcal fucked around with this message at 07:28 on Sep 18, 2019 |
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Julias posted:To give you an idea of the level of "brain-genius"/gaslighting these people are operating on: https://o.aolcdn.com/images/dims?th...4e8c32f7f9ed697 well actually your honor
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Lol. The YouTube channels that support him think this is a HUGE WIN. The comments are loving delusional.
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I think the thing to keep in mind is that Vic personally is the only one with the power to withdraw the complaint. The idea of a mediation is (generally) that the defendant tries to find some compromise that will get the plaintiff to withdraw the claim, usually a sum of money but it could be anything. There is absolutely nothing the defendants can do to force the case to end in mediation: it all comes down the plaintiff's decision. Traditionally, it's the plaintiff's lawyer's job to explain to the plaintiff that their case is X% likely to win with an expected payout of Y, and whether they'd be better off gambling on a trial with those odds or accepting the defendant's current offer. So in this case, a mediation will likely come down to Vic being super pissed and not wanting to withdraw, the defendants offering absolutely nothing because they have no reason to give in when their case is so strong and they'll get their fees back if they win, and Ty absolutely not understanding that his case is weak and therefore egging Vic on instead of trying to convince him to withdraw. I don't really see this ending in mediation. Clarste fucked around with this message at 12:28 on Sep 18, 2019 |
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SweetWillyRollbar posted:Lol. The YouTube channels that support him think this is a HUGE WIN. The comments are loving delusional. Wait is Ty back on youtube? Right after a court directly told them to stop inciting their supporters? Is this not contempt? (Obviously Nick isn't connected so he can do whatever the gently caress he wants)
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SoftNum posted:Wait is Ty back on youtube? Right after a court directly told them to stop inciting their supporters? Is this not contempt? (Obviously Nick isn't connected so he can do whatever the gently caress he wants) Oh no. Just a weird supporter in a gamer chair.
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If you want a tweet thread of someone who watched Nick Rekieta's livestream, here it is. He's more delusional than usual. https://twitter.com/WhippleMarc/status/1174170822698840065 Edit: Holy poo poo Ty Beard might file a motion to reconsider. He really thinks the judge is on his side https://twitter.com/WhippleMarc/status/1174175070576680961 https://twitter.com/WhippleMarc/status/1174191725746753537 Piell fucked around with this message at 13:20 on Sep 18, 2019 |
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SoftNum posted:Wait is Ty back on youtube? Right after a court directly told them to stop inciting their supporters? Is this not contempt? (Obviously Nick isn't connected so he can do whatever the gently caress he wants) Likely emboldened by Roger Stone
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Ya'all gonna feel so stupid when this is revealed as Nick's 8,070,001D chess game to get Ty disbarred and take back control of his finances. Also: https://twitter.com/SjwSpiderman/status/1174298844177293313 No guys it was totally the defense that was threatening the judge.
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Piell posted:If you want a tweet thread of someone who watched Nick Rekieta's livestream, here it is. He's more delusional than usual. These people are amazing.
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SweetWillyRollbar posted:Lol. The YouTube channels that support him think this is a HUGE WIN. The comments are loving delusional. But that’s the whole idea, isn’t it? These men despise any woman (anyone, but let’s face it, this goes back to misogyny like every other incident of this nature related to pop media) willing to speak up about systemic abuses that they’ll keep pushing their narrative to such an extent that the delusion becomes their reality, and they hope they can be loud and persistent enough that it becomes public opinion to folks who aren’t always online or won’t/can’t take time to research the truth. I’m reminded of Prester Jane’s work on the matter. Anyway, that’s what frustrates me most about all these ordeals: no matter what, these people will continue to support their narrative and continue to abuse and gaslight people in their lives any way they can.
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SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:But that’s the whole idea, isn’t it? These men despise any woman (anyone, but let’s face it, this goes back to misogyny like every other incident of this nature related to pop media) willing to speak up about systemic abuses that they’ll keep pushing their narrative to such an extent that the delusion becomes their reality, and they hope they can be loud and persistent enough that it becomes public opinion to folks who aren’t always online or won’t/can’t take time to research the truth. I’m reminded of Prester Jane’s work on the matter. Anyway, that’s what frustrates me most about all these ordeals: no matter what, these people will continue to support their narrative and continue to abuse and gaslight people in their lives any way they can. Oh yeah. It's tragicomic as hell. Mostly just tragic.
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SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:But that’s the whole idea, isn’t it? These men despise any woman (anyone, but let’s face it, this goes back to misogyny like every other incident of this nature related to pop media) willing to speak up about systemic abuses that they’ll keep pushing their narrative to such an extent that the delusion becomes their reality, and they hope they can be loud and persistent enough that it becomes public opinion to folks who aren’t always online or won’t/can’t take time to research the truth. I’m reminded of Prester Jane’s work on the matter. Anyway, that’s what frustrates me most about all these ordeals: no matter what, these people will continue to support their narrative and continue to abuse and gaslight people in their lives any way they can. This is a good post and says what I wanted to post in less words. Thank you.
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New story that's a really good summary of what's happened about this. Anime trolls tried to silence a #MeToo campaign with legal threats — and got shut down hard
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some new docs have hit the drive: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/15oy4VANDr2UMN15dvlfqiM_1Qob3Jpc4 mediation order: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Fg9lVrbkaLbYr2qNo9ofh-KlAgGrwcWv/view death threats judge received: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XxCI5_f8o_nnSQKZcbU-6H_tyITtArc1/view
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:some new docs have hit the drive: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/15oy4VANDr2UMN15dvlfqiM_1Qob3Jpc4 jesus christ
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DO IT TO IT posted:jesus christ Note: there were far more, both on Twitter and the judge's Facebook page. Not to mention the video where Vic's lawyer said he would shoot anyone in the head if they "wrecked his ability to feed his family with some lies".
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The Verge (tech news site) has an article up about the whole affair: https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/18/20870541/vic-mignogna-metoo-accusations-defamation-lawsuit-anti-slapp-laws
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:some new docs have hit the drive: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/15oy4VANDr2UMN15dvlfqiM_1Qob3Jpc4 Can cops, like... track this reaVer guy down irl or something? I mean, obviously someone CAN...... but I’m wondering if someone should actually try to, if for no other reason than so police can keep an eye on him. Christ. It’s times like this that I really wish I knew how to doxx people. (DISCLAIMER: I am not encouraging goons to doxx somebody, please don’t doxx people, I don’t want to get probed or banned, tia) I. M. Gei fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Sep 18, 2019 |
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I. M. Gei posted:Can we, like... track this reaVer guy down irl or something? I mean, obviously we CAN...... but I’m wondering if someone should actually try to, if for no other reason than so police can keep an eye on him.
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Elephant Parade posted:"We should doxx this guy... no, we shouldn't doxx this guy." Sorry, I rephrased it so it doesn’t sound like I’m encouraging goons to doxx people. I meant that I’m wondering if a cop should try to track them down irl. I’m sure the police know people that can do that.
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