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EBB posted:when this kicks off you won't have to leave the med to participate Small mercies
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Those ships are all civmars. Might have a Navy liaison or two hanging around if they get cargo. The Navy has already said that in a hot war they dont have the resources for any sort of escort duty and those ships would be on their own.
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Sep 18, 2019 02:14
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Sep 18, 2019 02:15
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All the civmar ships are going to have a handful of Navy folk, although not many. I had the joy of serving on a mixed crew ship, one of the submarine tenders, and it was a strange arrangement.
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Depends on the mission. My buddy is a LTCMDR in the reserves and was attached to us along with two ensigns. He said the liaison thing was a new posting they had just created and they left us when we got to the Army unit. After that, no USN was necessary, it was all Army. Edit: I forgot that a bunch of those are steam ships as well. The need for licenses is going to put even more pressure on manpower. lightpole fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Sep 18, 2019 |
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Sep 18, 2019 02:37
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lightpole posted:Depends on the mission. My buddy is a LTCMDR in the reserves and was attached to us along with two ensigns. He said the liaison thing was a new posting they had just created and they left us when we got to the Army unit. After that, no USN was necessary, it was all Army. Yeah I only have a 3rd steam and never used it even as a cadet (except 60 days on some tiny fully automated lakes plant that was push button to go and hide from the first). There hasn't been steam on the East Coast in years.
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Gotta get those sweet West Coast gigs. My friends are riding the Matson ships to the bone yard. How MARAD plans on keeping those ships manned after 2020 is a mystery. Noone is going to be able to get steam time/experience. The newest RRF ships are '85 and those are the T-AGOS/T-AGS and a few tankers and dont really matter. Most of the bulkers and RO/ROs are '60s and '70s.
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lightpole posted:Gotta get those sweet West Coast gigs. My friends are riding the Matson ships to the bone yard. How MARAD plans on keeping those ships manned after 2020 is a mystery. Noone is going to be able to get steam time/experience. They need to expand the MSP a touch and newbuild or buy in some of the specialized stuff. The government fleet shouldn't be a shithole where dreams go to die. I hear you about the West Coast though.
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lightpole posted:Those ships are all civmars. Might have a Navy liaison or two hanging around if they get cargo. The Navy has already said that in a hot war they dont have the resources for any sort of escort duty and those ships would be on their own. I’m being assigned to the radio room of a USNS fast transport. 10 months of fun woo
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They just increased the MSP to $5kk/ship. That's not really the problem, those ships are required to be under 20 years or something. Plus they are working ships so they usually have an experienced crew and have been in continuous operation. All those RRF ships pull funding from MARAD until they are activated and then their funding switches. Without a mission, activation funds are limited and simple maintenance items are hard to keep up with. The Hudson needs its camshaft covers pulled and the bolts/holes re-tapped or helicoiled and the bolts tightened as around half the cylinders leaked like a sieve. The CACs were blowing on the air side, the LO cooler had a good leak on the LO side to the engine room and the hydraulic lines for the cargo hold fan dampers were rotten. That's just the major stuff I can remember. Ugh, the lack of funds and serious maintenance is bringing me down, that poo poo is going to get more people killed and there's a good chance they will be fresh out of school and too dumb to know better. LingcodKilla posted:I’m being assigned to the radio room of a USNS fast transport. That's an MSC vessel and already in activation and under the Navy. The RRF/PrePo stuff is almost universally operated by a civilian company, generally Crowley or Patriot but Matson has a few and I think Maersk as well and is under MARAD. I'm not 100% on the structure here since its rarely used. I have no idea how the chain of command runs in this situation. I thought once activated they switch to MSC (Navy) control and budget, which is why things are possible. Without those big dick Navy dollars, we are kinda screwed. There are still mechanisms in place from WW2 for the US Merchant Marine as a separate service, with ranks equivalent to the USN but good luck convincing anyone that the Navy and civilian fleet should actually train together. I operate with the hope that someone on board knows the proper protocol when working together... lightpole fucked around with this message at 03:47 on Sep 18, 2019 |
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I mean add another few ships to MSP. They're the only deep sea merchant ships that will actually run regularly without a big new subsidy of some other kind and crucial to keeping people who actually know things around.
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LingcodKilla posted:I’m being assigned to the radio room of a USNS fast transport.  Those do really well in a threat environment; and they ride like poo poo bring your Dramamine.
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I'm pretty skeptical of the idea of sealift in much of a threat environment at this point period.
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Dingleberry posted:
But they move fast as hell in a decent sea state.
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shovelbum posted:I'm pretty skeptical of the idea of sealift in much of a threat environment at this point period. To be fair, who is going to be opposing us with blue water sub wolfpacks? We're not planning to drive MSC ships up to the Taiwanese coast/through Hormuz while missiles are flying in any case.
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Dingleberry posted:
As long as I get a ribbon out of it. Also from what I understand the Med isnt nearly as rough as pretty much any other ocean they are in.
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LingcodKilla posted:As long as I get a ribbon out of it. Under the right circumstances the Med can get rough as well. One specific time we were tasked to shift our BMD oparea from east to west and so we were fighting 14-20ft seas at nearly max speed while dodging around all the merchant ships that were using sicily and malta to shield from the elements.
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LingcodKilla posted:As long as I get a ribbon out of it. Quite a few fleets have met their end by underestimating Med weather.
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Kalessin ofSelidor posted:Under the right circumstances the Med can get rough as well. One specific time we were tasked to shift our BMD oparea from east to west and so we were fighting 14-20ft seas at nearly max speed while dodging around all the merchant ships that were using sicily and malta to shield from the elements. I've been fishing for tuna in seas nearly that rough off of CA. The rollers were more like 10-15ft but the boat was only 25ft. I've cruised in sea scouts up and down the coast in a 72ft planing hull retired CG patrol boats. We were getting green water across our bridge. Made it really hard to cook a ham. Did the same thing in a 62ft displacement hull army T-boat and it was much smoother but way more wet. In fact a sister ship lost it's shaft packing and almost foundered. Thankfully the pumps didnt drown and they were able to limp it into port. However that was over 20 years ago and my body is much older. Gonna be fun times for sure.
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LingcodKilla posted:I've been fishing for tuna in seas nearly that rough off of CA. The rollers were more like 10-15ft but the boat was only 25ft. I've cruised in sea scouts up and down the coast in a 72ft planing hull retired CG patrol boats. We were getting green water across our bridge. Made it really hard to cook a ham. Did the same thing in a 62ft displacement hull army T-boat and it was much smoother but way more wet. In fact a sister ship lost it's shaft packing and almost foundered. Thankfully the pumps didnt drown and they were able to limp it into port. In my case it was a guided missile cruiser which was very much built for sprinting through smooth seas but not as good for any beam winds or waves. Considering it came from the necessity of slapping AEGIS on a platform the tradeoffs were sacrificing lateral stability (and also longterm maintainability) in order to get capability in theater.
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Godholio posted:Quite a few fleets have met their end by underestimating Med weather. Anything smaller than a full size ocean can turn on you in an instant
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Also oceans.
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shovelbum posted:Anything smaller than a full size ocean can turn on you in an instant Reading about great lakes storms whipping up so fast is terrifying.
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LingcodKilla posted:As long as I get a ribbon out of it. I can assure you that the Med is not a joke.
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ManMythLegend posted:I can assure you that the Med is not a joke. I wasn’t trying to imply it was a joke. I felt like I was trying to roll with the punches of people teasing. I’m doing everything I can to prepare my household for me being gone for 11 months. The last thing I’m going to do is be worried about weather conditions I have no control of. I’ll just have to trust the ships leadership.
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LingcodKilla posted:I’ll just have to trust the ships leadership.
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There were a lot of concerns in Desert Storm about finding qualified crew to operate oil-fired steam plants for all those mobilized MSC hulls. I can't imagine that situation has improved over time.
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Madurai posted:There were a lot of concerns in Desert Storm about finding qualified crew to operate oil-fired steam plants for all those mobilized MSC hulls. I can't imagine that situation has improved over time. I'm surprised. It's not like there are a lot of job options for vets with "steam ship experience" as their resumé.
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lightpole posted:Those ships are all civmars. Might have a Navy liaison or two hanging around if they get cargo. The Navy has already said that in a hot war they dont have the resources for any sort of escort duty and those ships would be on their own. I suppose you could set up corridors with P-8s routinely flying over/through them, and when a ship explodes, drop some HAAWCs in the general vicinity and cross your fingers. Slap some AMRAAMs on them for the occasional shot at a Bear kill in a scenario that would've left Tom Clancy silent.
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Stultus Maximus posted:I'm surprised. It's not like there are a lot of job options for vets with "steam ship experience" as their resumé. Do these vets have USCG licenses? Because those are a bit harder to get than a CDL.
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Stultus Maximus posted:I'm surprised. It's not like there are a lot of job options for vets with "steam ship experience" as their resumé. Steam is so useful shoreside that it's probably hard to get genuinely experienced steam guys to go back to sea after however many decades of Navy I would think.
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FrozenVent posted:Do these vets have USCG licenses? No. The CG has a program in place for Navy personnel to get their documents when they exit but they have to fill out paperwork to do so, it's not automatic.
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shovelbum posted:Steam is so useful shoreside that it's probably hard to get genuinely experienced steam guys to go back to sea after however many decades of Navy I would think. Steam is alive and well in power generation. Even natural gas combustion turbines are almost always combined-cycle units with a waste-heat-driven steam plant.
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MrYenko posted:Steam is alive and well in power generation. Even natural gas combustion turbines are almost always combined-cycle units with a waste-heat-driven steam plant. Yeah, that's another thing that exists at sea but is super rare, it's just too big.
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Apologies if this was posted before, but I thought some of you might find it interesting. The investigation report on Montpelier-San Jacinto collision MrMojok fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Sep 19, 2019 |
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New Chief update: Walking around in uniform and interacting with random Sailors that I don't know is weird because I'm not used to being treated differently. They almost seem afraid - like I'm gonna start yelling at them. It's like they've been abused and are fearful, and it throws me the gently caress off, haha Anyway, I'm finally taking my two weeks of baby leave. My new son is five weeks old so better late than never!
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DustyNuts posted:New Chief update: Walking around in uniform and interacting with random Sailors that I don't know is weird because I'm not used to being treated differently. They almost seem afraid - like I'm gonna start yelling at them. It's like they've been abused and are fearful, and it throws me the gently caress off, haha You're no longer just another sailor welcome to being in the rarefied air of the chiefs treefort.
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DustyNuts posted:New Chief update: Walking around in uniform and interacting with random Sailors that I don't know is weird because I'm not used to being treated differently. They almost seem afraid - like I'm gonna start yelling at them. It's like they've been abused and are fearful, and it throws me the gently caress off, haha First off, mad props for your achievement and for also being one of the good peeps. I think part of the problem (and sounds like you’re part of the solution instead  ) is some of these chiefs floating around bitching about “we can’t do fanroom counseling anymore” or “it was a better Navy when we had real tacking on ceremonies” or whatever other endless references to abusive garbage.Also grats on you and your spouse on the mini human! Hopefully y’all can find a way to get some sleep somewhere (btw those little music-playing lullaby seahorses can work some fuckin magic)
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Well, the time has finally come. Probably the only thing I'll miss about Great Lakes is not having to polish my brown boots. Plus the tongue was padded, not just a strip of leather. So what's the current hotness for black boots? The recommendation from the most recent black boot purchaser I've talked to is Belleville's 800ST Flight Deck boot.
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Mr. Bad Guy posted:Well, the time has finally come. Probably the only thing I'll miss about Great Lakes is not having to polish my brown boots. Plus the tongue was padded, not just a strip of leather. So what's the current hotness for black boots? The recommendation from the most recent black boot purchaser I've talked to is Belleville's 800ST Flight Deck boot. Do you already know for a fact your next command requires black boots?
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