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Eifert Posting posted:There's a new one. Burned to death
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 #1180: +1New party member? Interesting!  at the end.
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Sep 16, 2019 16:11
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I've enjoyed Minrah so far, and I think Rich realised that the Order could use another woman. Interested to see more from her!
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Sep 16, 2019 16:18
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Not the dwarven cleric lady I was expecting to tag along originally, but after the whole shared exposition from Thor it makes sense.
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Sep 16, 2019 16:34
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Someone has to replace Belkar.
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Anarcho-Commissar posted:Someone has to replace Belkar. Chaste heavy shoed cleric of Thor
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Sep 16, 2019 16:53
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Android Blues posted:I've enjoyed Minrah so far, and I think Rich realised that the Order could use another woman. Interested to see more from her! Minrah is quite possibly the bravest person in the OotS universe. She had earned a place in Valhalla, with a drink upgrade coupon no less, but chose to forgo it to help Durkon 'n' friends. And, she knows about the Snarl, which means she made that decision knowing that if they fail, the Snarl will destroy her soul, which would have been safe in Valhalla.
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Sep 16, 2019 17:43
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Roy looks so odd..being all ...curvy in the last panel. He is usually standing like he has that sword sheathed up his rear end.
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Sep 17, 2019 01:22
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I was about to post how a low level Cleric (Is Minrah still low level?) running around would leave her vulnerable to the sole vampire running around, but then I remembered that no one else has that "Accelerate Vampire Turning" spell, unless Not Durkon was able to teach it. Still seems unlikely that she would get vamped and infiltrate the party on the down low as the stinger. Though...is it possible that the remaining vampire could disguise themself as Minrah? I realize I am reaching here.
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Sep 17, 2019 01:36
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The last thing we saw of the other vampire was Hilgya noticing her smoke form. I don't think there's too much to worry about there.
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ultrafilter posted:The last thing we saw of the other vampire was Hilgya noticing her smoke form. I don't think there's too much to worry about there. From a logical standpoint, sure. But from a story standpoint, why would the author take the time to depict her getting away, and then have explicit discussion of the fact that she's gotten away? There has to be some reason, and "she's still a threat" seems like a big obvious one.
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Sep 17, 2019 04:10
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I feel like in the metagame of players who would theoretically be playing all of the characters, Minrah is a character sheet drawn up for Durkon's player while his normal character was out of order, but now she's being kept around because Belkar's player is thinking of swapping to something less irreverant.
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Sep 17, 2019 05:07
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Belkar will never die.
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Ponsonby Britt posted:From a logical standpoint, sure. But from a story standpoint, why would the author take the time to depict her getting away, and then have explicit discussion of the fact that she's gotten away? There has to be some reason, and "she's still a threat" seems like a big obvious one. I mean, "to explain why we're cutting to Hilgya dealing with her as part of Hilgya's character growth" seems like a good reason too.
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Sep 17, 2019 05:25
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Eifert Posting posted:Belkar will never die. Belkar is obviously about to die of alcohol poisoning.
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Sep 17, 2019 07:40
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Ponsonby Britt posted:From a logical standpoint, sure. But from a story standpoint, why would the author take the time to depict her getting away, and then have explicit discussion of the fact that she's gotten away? There has to be some reason, and "she's still a threat" seems like a big obvious one. It might just be to keep Durkon's family busy rather than have to explain why they're not coming along to help with the main plot. Same as leaving Haley's dad with the resistance.
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Sep 17, 2019 08:07
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I'm happy to have Minrah around. She's been fun and she deserves to go out and help after all she's done.
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Sep 17, 2019 09:40
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Durkon just got the Leadership skill and Minrah is going to be his hench. Because what better hench to a pocket cleric then ANOTHER pocket cleric.
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Sep 17, 2019 15:44
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Eh, Minrah's kinda boring. Like, even if you discount not having all these years of backstory and character development, she's a bland dwarf and we've already got one. I still trust Rich to take it into an interesting direction, he's always come through with these things.
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Sep 17, 2019 16:38
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My Lovely Horse posted:Eh, Minrah's kinda boring. Like, even if you discount not having all these years of backstory and character development, she's a bland dwarf and we've already got one. She's still got her secret concern that Thor reassured her about, which might lead somewhere interesting.
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Sep 17, 2019 16:49
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tripwood posted:Durkon just got the Leadership skill and Minrah is going to be his hench. Because what better hench to a pocket cleric then ANOTHER pocket cleric. Honestly Oots could use some min-maxing to give them a little extra something.
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Raenir Salazar posted:Honestly Oots could use some min-maxing to give them a little extra something. I'm still wryly amused that out of everyone in the party, Elan is the most optimized in terms of his build.
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Sep 17, 2019 17:21
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W.T. Fits posted:I'm still wryly amused that out of everyone in the party, Elan is the most optimized in terms of his build. Durkon. This is still 3.5, Durkon could do the entire party's job on his own if he wasn't so humble. So could V, though they banned the strongest school e: the only thing more optimized than straight wizard/cleric/druid/artificer/archivist (choose one) 20 levels is that base plus whatever full casting progression stuff you want. an early definition of "tier list" explains 3.5 it
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My Lovely Horse posted:Eh, Minrah's kinda boring. Like, even if you discount not having all these years of backstory and character development, she's a bland dwarf and we've already got one. If nothing else, she'll be a decent straight man. By being an outsider to the team she can highlight their relative strength... several Retrievers, 14 foot tall spider golems from hell with eye lasers, show up, she's worried, next panel is Elan finishing one off because they're actually pretty weak. It's the "party" slot filled by all those pirates in the last arc.
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Mister Olympus posted:Durkon. This is still 3.5, Durkon could do the entire party's job on his own if he wasn't so humble. So could V, though they banned the strongest school Y'know, we know almost nothing about Durkon's build. Seriously, we know only one of his feats. Now, pure cleric is a fine build... But Durkon is playing it sub-optimally. Remember how he kick rear end when he casts Thor's might? He should do that more, instead of healing (according to charop, anyhow) Mystic Mongol posted:If nothing else, she'll be a decent straight man. By being an outsider to the team she can highlight their relative strength... several Retrievers, 14 foot tall spider golems from hell with eye lasers, show up, she's worried, next panel is Elan finishing one off because they're actually pretty weak. It's the "party" slot filled by all those pirates in the last arc. ...She's not a straight man by any means. Showcasing the party's power, sure - but that ain't being the straight man. It's about personality, and she...
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Mister Olympus posted:Durkon. This is still 3.5, Durkon could do the entire party's job on his own if he wasn't so humble. So could V, though they banned the strongest school I just love that Truenamers are ranked below Commoners.
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Johnny Aztec posted:Roy looks so odd..being all ...curvy in the last panel. heh heh roy has great cleavage
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Sep 17, 2019 19:13
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Cat Mattress posted:I just love that Truenamers are ranked below Commoners. In any other scenario, "a school of wizards who learn spells so complicated that no human is physically able to cast them" would be an excellent setpiece
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Sep 17, 2019 19:46
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Are Truenamers the class that was so badly designed that they get less powerful as they gain levels?
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DoctorTristan posted:Are Truenamers the class that was so badly designed that they get less powerful as they gain levels? Yup. They in fact can be made to work if you use stupid bullshit like item familiars to get titanic bonuses to their skill rolls, but they're not amazing even then.
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Where do shadowcasters fall on that tier list? I didn't see them listed on the summarized version, and the link to the original post the guy was summarizing from no longer works. I always thought they had a neat concept to them, but going off the fact that they appear to the only one of the three classes from Tome of Magic that was left off the list entirely, I'm not exactly optimistic.DoctorTristan posted:Are Truenamers the class that was so badly designed that they get less powerful as they gain levels? In order for the Truenamer to use any of their unique spells, they have to make a skill check with their special class skill to speak the truename of the target. The DCs for the skill check were calculated as follows:
So basically, the problem was that the skill check to use your powers scaled up to absurdly high DCs, making it nearly impossible to use your powers depending on what you were fighting.
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Sep 17, 2019 21:45
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You'd think if you had a creatures 'personal truename' (as opposed to what precisely? Their business true name? Their stage name? Their Brand-sona?) it would be easier to use not harder.
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I think the check was both to know what the truename was to start with and also to actually pronounce it correctly. Also, every time you used a spell the truename DC increased by an additional 2 or something. It was supposed to thematically represent how repeating a truename was exhausting to the mind, but in gameplay terms meant you could only use a given spell once or twice before it became almost impossible, since they were so drat hard to begin with. And since only one of two of the spells were worth a drat you could easily exhaust your ability pool in only a single fight.
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reignofevil posted:You'd think if you had a creatures 'personal truename' (as opposed to what precisely? Their business true name? Their stage name? Their Brand-sona?) it would be easier to use not harder. Personal truenames are more linguistically complex than "normal" truenames. It's the difference between targeting "the dwarf" and targeting "Durkon Thundershield, Cleric of Thor, son of Sigdi and father of Kudzu." It's harder to use Truespeak to do the latter, but the benefit is that it increase the DC for the target to save against your spell by 2, and gives you a +2 bonus to any rolls you make to overcome spell resistance. Still not remotely worth the effort.
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W.T. Fits posted:Where do shadowcasters fall on that tier list? I didn't see them listed on the summarized version, and the link to the original post the guy was summarizing from no longer works. I always thought they had a neat concept to them, but going off the fact that they appear to the only one of the three classes from Tome of Magic that was left off the list entirely, I'm not exactly optimistic. I don't think every single base class ever was actually listed there. I imagine shadowcasters are probably either high tier 4 or low tier 3? Effects comparable to Warlock, probably the definition of tier 3, but more limited use and with less splatbook support. e: double checking tome of magic they get a lot more than I remembered, so definite tier 3 territory. probably even high up there approaching tier 2, given access to shadow evocation, dominate-type things, save or dies, scrying, etc etc. But if sorcerer defines tier 2, shadowcaster still can't quite compete with all the possible permutations of tools a sorcerer can have. Mister Olympus fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Sep 17, 2019 |
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W.T. Fits posted:
If you want to affect an object, first hire some level 1 NPC wizard to enchant the item for you. Enchantment doesn't have to be useful, it's just to make the Truespeak DC be 17 instead of 25.
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Gun Jam posted:She's not a straight man by any means. Showcasing the party's power, sure - but that ain't being the straight man. It's about personality, and she... That is not at all the link I was expecting. Nor is it the definition of "straight man" that I was assuming.
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reignofevil posted:You'd think if you had a creatures 'personal truename' (as opposed to what precisely? Their business true name? Their stage name? Their Brand-sona?) it would be easier to use not harder. As opposed to their title or colloquial nickname. LORD HELLHAMMER, SCOURGE OF THE NORTH probably wasn't born that. But knowing that he was given the name of Kelmon Megirsson would give you power over him.
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True name magic has a long history in real world cultures as well as some mention in the Earthsea books and a bit in the Kingkiller series (where its one of like 15 magic systems) but its surprisingly rare in modern fantasy media. Probably because its hard to do mechanically in a video game/rpg and its not very showy for visual mediums like a fireball or mind control spell or something. I like the idea of naming magic from an ancient society standpoint where language is more primitive than what we have now. Knowing the names of things allows people to better mentally identify, remember, and understand them. If you have a random car or gun or something in a movie, a person who is knowledgable will be able to immediately identify and recall the type later, as well as knowing if its a historical anachronism, or other relevant info. A layperson would just see and recall “a truck” or “a pistol”. Returning to ancient times, this type of knowledge would be extremely useful when interacting with things like plants and animals in the natural world. A rat snake and a cottonmouth are both black snakes, only one of them is venomous however. If most people only have the word “snake” but you know the names of the species of snakes that is a very real type of power.
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Kadath posted:True name magic has a long history in real world cultures as well as some mention in the Earthsea books and a bit in the Kingkiller series (where its one of like 15 magic systems) but its surprisingly rare in modern fantasy media. Probably because its hard to do mechanically in a video game/rpg and its not very showy for visual mediums like a fireball or mind control spell or something. The old World of Darkness setting had mummies with access to varies schools of ancient Egyptian magic, one of which involved true names. The strongest spell of that particular school of magic involved you straight up erasing someone from existence by forcing reality itself to forget their true name.
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