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Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo

Mr.Pibbleton posted:

I liked the Sacagawea dollar coins, also we should start minting five dollar coins.
The Sacs were followed by a series of presidential coins and they show no signs of stopping. Trump of all people landed himself on currency. How. The gently caress. About. That.

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The Nastier Nate
May 22, 2005

All aboard the corona bus!

HONK! HONK!


Yams Fan

BBJoey posted:

also worth considering that even though it is relatively energy-intensive to make cash, at least you get a physical object out the other end. bitcoins are literally just 1s and 0s and it takes insane amounts of energy to produce them.

Most monetary transactions are 1s and 0s...I have $7 cash on me now and that’s probably about the average of what I usually carry.

It’s dumb as poo poo bitcoins are all the worst parts of electronic money without the security of actual
Dollars, physical or electronic

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo

The Nastier Nate posted:

It’s dumb as poo poo {virtual thing} are all the worst parts of {existing thing} without the security of actual {virtual thing}

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



[ASK] me about OS/2 Warp

Mr.Pibbleton posted:

I liked the Sacagawea dollar coins, also we should start minting five dollar coins.

hell yeah same.

a buddy from ontario visited and brought me a shitload of loonies and toonies i love them

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo
$5 coins would be interesting. Not welcome, but interesting.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


make everything coins, but make the $20s and $50s big square ones like high dollar casino chips

Abongination
Aug 18, 2010

Life, it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come.
Pillbug
strip clubs in Aus have stripper dollars you buy so you can still make it rain ones

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


I canada you throw toonies and if you can get one to stick to her cooter you win a poster

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Tubgoat posted:

The Sacs were followed by a series of presidential coins and they show no signs of stopping. Trump of all people landed himself on currency. How. The gently caress. About. That.

nah they stopped in 2016 with Reagan, they only made coins for dead presidents

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

that doesn't preclude trump minting the trillion dollar coin tho

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008

by Athanatos

Tubgoat posted:

I generally don't use them but I like them, they tickle my inner RPG-fangirl, and they work on buses. :shrug:

I'm the same way regarding the RPG feel. Just wanna pay for my dinner at the tavern by setting a bag of gold on the bar

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

A lot of money doesn't physically exist and is a whole hypothetical access to a bank which only has a certain federally-regulated fraction of the currency that it it owes you, but in theory if there was a run on the bank where more people wanted their money out than the bank could sustain, the federal government will cover it. I don't think it's ever been tested though. I'm pretty certain there's more "virtual" currency than physical though.

The vast bulk of US currency is held in vaults. Not necessarily US bank vaults though, because the US dollar is often valued for its stability, so people and countries will physically stock up on US dollars as an investment in case something goes wrong with their local currency or whatever. But since physical currency is valued more as a store of money rather than for practical transactions, $100 bills are by far the most produced denomination, many of which just fly overseas, which actually dampens inflation.

But aside from whatever your feelings on currency in general, dollars are backed by the US government at the end of the day, whereas cryptocurrencies only have speculative value. The financial industry is really dumb though, so there may be enough speculators hoping to make money off of other speculators to keep the whole dumb concept afloat indefinitely, although in theory it could still crash.

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019

SlothfulCobra posted:

A lot of money doesn't physically exist and is a whole hypothetical access to a bank which only has a certain federally-regulated fraction of the currency that it it owes you, but in theory if there was a run on the bank where more people wanted their money out than the bank could sustain, the federal government will cover it. I don't think it's ever been tested though. I'm pretty certain there's more "virtual" currency than physical though.

The vast bulk of US currency is held in vaults. Not necessarily US bank vaults though, because the US dollar is often valued for its stability, so people and countries will physically stock up on US dollars as an investment in case something goes wrong with their local currency or whatever. But since physical currency is valued more as a store of money rather than for practical transactions, $100 bills are by far the most produced denomination, many of which just fly overseas, which actually dampens inflation.

But aside from whatever your feelings on currency in general, dollars are backed by the US government at the end of the day, whereas cryptocurrencies only have speculative value. The financial industry is really dumb though, so there may be enough speculators hoping to make money off of other speculators to keep the whole dumb concept afloat indefinitely, although in theory it could still crash.

This is a large part of why the USA goes to war for oil. It's traded in USD and you lose a lot of power in the world when it starts getting traded in another currency because who needs yours any more.

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

This displeases Dev- ..van. Shut up.

Powershift posted:

I canada you throw toonies and if you can get one to stick to her cooter you win a poster

Hello Canada *beats chest* I America

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Inceltown posted:

This is a large part of why the USA goes to war for oil. It's traded in USD and you lose a lot of power in the world when it starts getting traded in another currency because who needs yours any more.

Yeah plus the back in the day deal with the House of Saud was how they would stay on the petro dollar in exchange for US support and recognition.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Tunicate posted:

nah they stopped in 2016 with Reagan, they only made coins for dead presidents

WTF Reagan gets one and Carter doesn’t?

That’s some serious bullshit.



It may be from The Onion, but it’s basically true. The farm was put into a blind trust and grossly mismanaged.

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo

Platystemon posted:

It may be from The Onion, but it’s basically true. The farm was put into a blind trust and grossly mismanaged.
Yeah. He was no angel, but that is still DEEPLY upsetting. Turns out Carter could've told them to go get hosed and there's no enforcement whatsoever!

Harik
Sep 9, 2001

From the hard streets of Moscow
First dog to touch the stars


Plaster Town Cop

SlothfulCobra posted:

A lot of money doesn't physically exist and is a whole hypothetical access to a bank which only has a certain federally-regulated fraction of the currency that it it owes you, but in theory if there was a run on the bank where more people wanted their money out than the bank could sustain, the federal government will cover it. I don't think it's ever been tested though. I'm pretty certain there's more "virtual" currency than physical though.
this has been tested repeatedly, it's called the FDIC and it works. I don't think a run on the FDIC itself has been tested but since it's a governmental body it'd be backstopped by the Full Faith And Credit clause, and if we're asking about that then we're past the point where paper money matters and bartering for water and bullets.

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo
It seems like if you trust someone enough not to kill you with those bullets and take your stuff, and if they trust you enough not to kill them and take their stuff, that everyone would be better off in a commune pooling resources and labor?

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

Platystemon posted:

WTF Reagan gets one and Carter doesn’t?

That’s some serious bullshit.

The deal is no living faces on currency. So think of them as little tiny tombstones.

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019

Platystemon posted:

WTF Reagan gets one and Carter doesn’t?

That’s some serious bullshit.



It may be from The Onion, but it’s basically true. The farm was put into a blind trust and grossly mismanaged.

The Onion is always true. It's just sometimes they're true in advance and the stuff they're joking about hasn't quite happened yet.

Scrub-Niggurath
Nov 27, 2007

Subjunctive posted:

Putin is enjoying this timeline more than anyone else, by a wide margin.

Shear Modulus posted:

putin gets to watch the piss tape in 4k HD every night while everyone else only gets to imagine what it looks like

Scrub-Niggurath
Nov 27, 2007

Putin is the Saturday cartoon villain you can shake your fist at and go “curse you Vladimir Putin!” compared to Trump the postmodern horrifying villain that if you think about too hard will literally destroy your brain

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo

Scrub-Niggurath posted:

Putin is the Saturday cartoon villain you can shake your fist at and go “curse you Vladimir Putin!” compared to Trump the postmodern horrifying villain that if you think about too hard will literally destroy your brain
Trump and Putin are merely two aspects of the same monster, an infinite-headed hydra that can only be taken down by simultaneously everyone on the planet.

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



SlothfulCobra posted:

The deal is no living faces on currency. So think of them as little tiny tombstones.

sounds to me like theres only one president who's good (great) enough to warrant breaking that rule and have his face put on the trillion dollar coin

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
the thing about dollar coins is people already avoid $1 bills because you need a thick stack to buy anything. if $5 coins existed at least it wouldn't be a half pound of coins to buy a pack of cigarettes, which at $7-9 is pretty close to what most people spend if they wander into a gas station or something

foobardog
Apr 19, 2007

There, now I can tell when you're posting.

-- A friend :)

Tubgoat posted:

It seems like if you trust someone enough not to kill you with those bullets and take your stuff, and if they trust you enough not to kill them and take their stuff, that everyone would be better off in a commune pooling resources and labor?

But that sounds like communism!

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo
^ ^ ^ Plain Jane collectivism, I think.

Shear Modulus posted:

sounds to me like theres only one president who's good (great) enough to warrant breaking that rule and have his face put on the trillion dollar coin
Put Pence on the back, and I guess have Schumer and Pelosi's likenesses along the circumference. We have to reach across the aisle for bipartisan compromise, after all!

foobardog posted:

Bernard Motherfucking Sanders
That is 100% NOT where op was going, I think.

foobardog
Apr 19, 2007

There, now I can tell when you're posting.

-- A friend :)

Shear Modulus posted:

sounds to me like theres only one president who's good (great) enough to warrant breaking that rule and have his face put on the trillion dollar coin

Bernard Motherfucking Sanders

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019

Larry Parrish posted:

the thing about dollar coins is people already avoid $1 bills because you need a thick stack to buy anything. if $5 coins existed at least it wouldn't be a half pound of coins to buy a pack of cigarettes, which at $7-9 is pretty close to what most people spend if they wander into a gas station or something

$7-9? lol, smokes are $30 a pack here. You're going to have to work hard to pay for them in coins.

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo
$30? For like 20 cigarettes? Is marijuana legal where you are? If cigarettes cost $30 a pack, my buddy would just switch to weed fulltime (and be ferociously irritable for two years while he gets over his nicotine addiction).

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Inceltown posted:

$7-9? lol, smokes are $30 a pack here. You're going to have to work hard to pay for them in coins.

Nobody cares about Australia bitch

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019

Tubgoat posted:

$30? For like 20 cigarettes? Is marijuana legal where you are? If cigarettes cost $30 a pack, my buddy would just switch to weed fulltime (and be ferociously irritable for two years while he gets over his nicotine addiction).

Weed is not legal. You're also not allowed to smoke with 4m of a doorway or inside a public area, so no smoking in pubs / clubs. Smoking is getting to be fairly rare though so it's alright with me.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

Tubgoat posted:

Trump and Putin are merely two aspects of the same monster, an infinite-headed hydra that can only be taken down by simultaneously everyone on the planet.

I wear no mask.

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo

Larry Parrish posted:

Nobody cares about Australia bitch
As a Yankee, I find Boonta Vista shockingly relateable.

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019

Tubgoat posted:

As a Yankee, I find Boonta Vista shockingly relateable.

Politics being hosed is pretty universal.

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo
Yeah, but in that special way that only demon crackers can truly manage.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Shear Modulus posted:

sounds to me like theres only one president who's good (great) enough to warrant breaking that rule and have his face put on the trillion dollar coin

Doesn’t the “no living people” rule not apply for the same reason a trillion‐dollar one would be legal?

Congress prescribes what coins are to be minted generally, but is like “we don’t care lol do what you want with platinum”.

foobardog
Apr 19, 2007

There, now I can tell when you're posting.

-- A friend :)

Tubgoat posted:

That is 100% NOT where op was going, I think.

Forgive me I'm high and making bad jokes

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Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo
^ ^ ^ I am supremely jealous, but no harm done.

Honestly, it should be minted just so even the most intellectually-incurious can see to their satisfaction that money is a fake loving thing we made up so the psychopaths could gently caress our children.

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