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Minorkos posted:I believe the dota goon community has largely died off or splintered into smaller, isolated groups. Contrary to what you might think, goons aren't really much nicer than the people you find in solo queue so you aren't missing much. I've personally ruined many games for those who dare invite me to a game I remember the last time I played with goons I went blink refresher Medusa and everyone unfriended me
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I used to play with random goons and it was toxic as gently caress but still fun for me
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Sep 9, 2019 15:19
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Hi thread, this was fun to listen to at work because it's Purge getting mad at Slacks for doing idiot stuff and Slacks eventually giving up on trying to be smarter than Purge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvacVav_xRs edit: The real bummer is that it seems that I know more than Slacks but I'm worse at dota so that's totally fine  Minorkos posted:I believe the dota goon community has largely died off or splintered into smaller, isolated groups. Contrary to what you might think, goons aren't really much nicer than the people you find in solo queue so you aren't missing much. I've personally ruined many games for those who dare invite me to a game 
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Sep 11, 2019 21:47
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:I remember the last time I played with goons I went blink refresher Medusa and everyone unfriended me can't imagine why.
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Sep 12, 2019 01:54
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scuz posted:Hi thread, this was fun to listen to at work because it's Purge getting mad at Slacks for doing idiot stuff and Slacks eventually giving up on trying to be smarter than Purge. He's got an item hotkey bound to $ for Midas. I love him. Also his others were like P - = and N.
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Glory to Italia!
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Sep 12, 2019 03:29
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I remember when someone created a goon group specifically for casual play and no raging allowed and within a month it was shut down to drama. It seems to be unavoidable!
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Sep 12, 2019 06:29
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I quickly gave up playing with goons. Skill spread was way, way too big. So we awful players ended up anywhere from unintended feeders being raged at to being middle of the pack because the more skilled players were too drunk and/or high to function. Learn nothing, get yelled at lots, or even hear uproarious laughter followed by "has disconnected / has abandoned the match". I also long ago stopped accepting friends requests from randos met in matches. Some of those guys were one bad game away from full-tilt rage, or were playing on smurf accounts and would rage anyway when they were intentionally playing with a lowered-MMR account 
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Sep 12, 2019 06:42
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It's always funny when someone smurfs into your 3-4k shitter match, goes like 20/0, but then feeds a few times because they farmed kills instead of ending the game and now the enemy team just has to kill one person to win a team fight cuz whoops the whole enemy team got caught up from those feeds, while yours is probably even behind from Pro Arc Warden Smurf farming the whole map
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Sep 12, 2019 08:14
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Larry Parrish posted:It's always funny when someone smurfs into your 3-4k shitter match, goes like 20/0, but then feeds a few times because they farmed kills instead of ending the game and now the enemy team just has to kill one person to win a team fight cuz whoops the whole enemy team got caught up from those feeds, while yours is probably even behind from Pro Arc Warden Smurf farming the whole map Lol this is legit as hell
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Larry Parrish posted:It's always funny when someone smurfs into your 3-4k shitter match, goes like 20/0, but then feeds a few times because they farmed kills instead of ending the game and now the enemy team just has to kill one person to win a team fight cuz whoops the whole enemy team got caught up from those feeds, while yours is probably even behind from Pro Arc Warden Smurf farming the whole map It's really fun to be that guy.
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Sep 12, 2019 09:08
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Andrigaar posted:I quickly gave up playing with goons. How do I as a new player play with other new players? I haven't hit my 100 games as ranked is not unlocked for me yet. It seems like most games I'm so far behind everyone I'm playing with, and get an occasional rager all over me the entire game about a mistake I've made. I just want to play the game, have fun while getting better, and not have someone freak out and say nasty things to me for half an hour.
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Play bots until you stomp with your chosen heroes/lanes, watch Purge's videos Mute everyone, play your placement games. There are bad players who have been playing for a while, they're still bad but they have being bad experience so they will rage at you.
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hahayup posted:How do I as a new player play with other new players? I haven't hit my 100 games as ranked is not unlocked for me yet. It seems like most games I'm so far behind everyone I'm playing with, and get an occasional rager all over me the entire game about a mistake I've made. I just want to play the game, have fun while getting better, and not have someone freak out and say nasty things to me for half an hour. The new player experience sucks and is filled with smurf accounts, just mute all chat and play your own game. People who get mad about your mistakes overlook their own play and never try to improve themselves or communicate with their team about what they wanna do. I still get lots of hard support Pudges in my ranked games whining about no wards when I'm playing 4pos trying to support all three lanes.
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Sep 12, 2019 12:48
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lol i decided i was just going to play bot matches for a few weeks bc my last hitting has been poo poo for the entirety of my ~5 years playing the game. turns out bot matches are way more fun than playing with real people.
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jarlywarly posted:Play bots until you stomp with your chosen heroes/lanes, watch Purge's videos I’d recommend BSJ over Purge for learning
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BSJ has a bunch of coaching lessons uploaded on his youtube, usually separated by the player's MMR, role and experience and he gives different guidance for everyone. It's pretty specific to that player's playstyle but can apply to everyone. Purge is still better for starting off with since he covers the new player experience, he was training Day9 to play Dota from scratch in one of his tutorial series. Also you can play a support 4 or 5 position so you don't need to focus on last hitting as much, pick a support hero with team fight potential and wave clear like CM/KotL/SShaman
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Sep 13, 2019 02:00
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Whenever I queue for ranked and pick my role choices I always get assigned the highest choice I have ticked. If I have Support/Offlane/etc chosen I will get assigned Support in 10 games out of 10. I don't mind support but I'd really like some variation without having to queue exclusively for a single role each time..
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Sep 13, 2019 03:12
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Nanomashoes posted:It's really fun to be that guy. It's the whole point of the game. Like camping the respawn with a machine gun in day of defeat, or wedging the car in the respawn in halo. Or putting pipes and mirvs in the respawn in tfc
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Sep 13, 2019 04:26
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Darox posted:Whenever I queue for ranked and pick my role choices I always get assigned the highest choice I have ticked. If I have Support/Offlane/etc chosen I will get assigned Support in 10 games out of 10. That's because nobody likes to play support, but everybody likes to win.
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Darox posted:Whenever I queue for ranked and pick my role choices I always get assigned the highest choice I have ticked. If I have Support/Offlane/etc chosen I will get assigned Support in 10 games out of 10. This is a natural and obvious byproduct of this system. Hard 5 is the least populous role.
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Man I really hate the support/core queue split. queueing as core takes forever but queueing support means depending on people who can't outsmart a lemon.
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Cuntellectual posted:Man I really hate the support/core queue split. You know what's better than winning? The smug sense of satisfaction from knowing you played right all game 
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DisgracelandUSA posted:You know what's better than winning? The smug sense of satisfaction from knowing you played right all game How would you know that feeling
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DisgracelandUSA posted:You know what's better than winning? The smug sense of satisfaction from knowing you played right all game My core trio was Drow Treant and Skywrath the other day, I was mainlining that from 0:00
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FruitNYogurtParfait posted:How would you know that feeling I only play support and my mmr is 1200 don't @ me
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The problem with the support role is that valve doesn't really want to make the role fun. I believe the last time the role was fun was back in the summer of 2014 when you could bully all lanes into submission with a position 5 skywrath or something, then quickly push to end the game by 25 minutes. If you did your job well, you would immediately reap the rewards by never even entering the phase where carries become useful and supports become useless. Obviously, if things went wrong, you'd be sent into this hellish nightmare existence of the "lategame" where you can't do anything but watch other people farm for 20 minutes and then get whomped to death by an errant juggernaut crit, but those were the breaks. Either way that was the only time in Dota history that I actually looked forward to playing support. After TI4, valve decided that something like that must never happen again because it's bad for esports watchers, and carries became the focus of Dota 2. On top of all the changes that made games last longer, comeback gold was introduced, which meant that carries and semi-carries became incredibly strong and supports became basically dogshit. Since you could no longer control and contain the economy with good support play, and carries started to get gold by simply showing up to fights after being blown the gently caress out in lane, supporting felt a little pointless. Valve's response to this was letting supports scale into lategame a little more, alongside other support-friendly mechanics like stacking gold, tomes of experience and so on. Supports essentially became more like weaker cores, no longer stronger early, no longer weaker late, but weaker altogether than actual cores. It also didn't help that carries started to get more interesting and powerful abilities. If valve wants to add a new powerful ability and they don't know how to balance it, they just give it to a hard carry so you can't abuse it too much, like Morphling getting his new ultimate. So essentially you can either play Shadow Demon, whose job is limited to saving people with Q and sometimes slowing people with R, or you can play Terrorblade or Phantom Lancer who can kill the entire enemy team under the right circumstances, or Morphling to do MLG gamer poo poo, or Juggernaut to kill 4 people with a single button and so on. So in the end, no one wants to play a support because it's just like playing a core except you don't get that sweet dopamine release from killing creeps or heroes, instead your job is just to get bullied by other players on both teams and then buy wards and stack and poo poo, which just isn't very fun. But that's just a theory, a game theory
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DisgracelandUSA posted:I only play support and my mmr is 1200 don't @ me Nothing you do is right then
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FruitNYogurtParfait posted:Nothing you do is right then I'm having fun 
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Minorkos posted:The problem with the support role is that valve doesn't really want to make the role fun. I believe the last time the role was fun was back in the summer of 2014 when you could bully all lanes into submission with a position 5 skywrath or something, then quickly push to end the game by 25 minutes. If you did your job well, you would immediately reap the rewards by never even entering the phase where carries become useful and supports become useless. Obviously, if things went wrong, you'd be sent into this hellish nightmare existence of the "lategame" where you can't do anything but watch other people farm for 20 minutes and then get whomped to death by an errant juggernaut crit, but those were the breaks. Either way that was the only time in Dota history that I actually looked forward to playing support. I think you're mostly right but supporting was definitely fun in early-ish 7.00 when they added the talents, more passive gold, bounties, and extra jungle creeps so you could roam, farm, and level easily, you'd have a force/ghost/cape by like 15:00 so you could survive and move around in fights easily. They've been gradually changing/nerfing all of that to the point where early game kills don't mean much and the only way you're hitting 6 by minute 10 is if you leech a bunch of XP in lane. But your SD example is on point. If you play Rhasta, lategame you're a blink hex and a zoning ult. If you play Lion, once they get BKB you're a blink hex. If you play Oracle, you're a purge and an OK save. 5s are supposed to really sacrifice and thus don't have diversity in play styles, and 4s can't find much in the way of levels and farm overall. OG's supports in the grand final games that they won were Grim/Tiny 2X and Abba/Tiny the last game, only reliant on a couple abilities to help set up fights.
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DisgracelandUSA posted:I'm having fun then you're doing it WRONG in the voice of the big red butt guy from cow and chicken
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I wish they made bounties give XP again. That owned really hard for supports.
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Matchmaking update is out.Gaben posted:This update includes a few different ban waves for bad actors. The first ban wave is to players with exceptionally low behavior scores. We will continue to do regular ban waves for users who fall into this small percentage of the community. Users that reach this low level of behavior in the game are too big of a tax on the rest of the community and are not wanted. The second case where users will be banned today is for anyone detected of violating the Steam Service Agreement that prevents the purchase or sale of Steam accounts. Buying accounts to get a higher or lower rank is not allowed and causes negative side effects for the play experience of others. This doesn’t catch all account sales that happen, but we think we have caught enough to take some action. We are also banning players who’ve been detected using exploits to gain an advantage over other players. In the coming weeks, we will be refining the detection algorithms for these abusive behaviors and will begin issuing weekly bans that will go into effect without advance notice to violating accounts. Accounts that we ban will now also have the associated phone number permanently blacklisted from being able to have access to ranked matchmaking. Who caught a ban itt?
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DisgracelandUSA posted:Matchmaking update is out.  lot of upset 15 year olds on steam forums and reddit
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Sep 18, 2019 04:05
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I seriously hope the MM update works. I'm mid-high divine right now and keep getting stuck with ancient and sometimes even legend people on cores. I don't need five second queues that badly, valve.
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Last few games as a crusader 7 inching towards archon (1880 MMR) I was getting teams of crusaders against enemy team of archons and legends. Wonder if the recalibration will actually do anything for me as a support this time around, I've been sitting in the trench for years playing on SEA
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If there's one thing League does right it's making supports able to have fun. The 5-role in Dota exists almost solely because there's not enough resources on the map to give gold to all heroes, meanwhile wards still cost gold so what little you do get absolutely has to go towards those otherwise you're objectively playing the game wrong. Valve seems like they've done everything they can think of to make the 5-role as boring and unfun as possible while also making it an absolute necessity, since now your team's four position is going to get a Midas and is an Ogre Magi.
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Eh, it's not that bad, wards are 50g and most supports have a 90g/min talent at 10
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:If there's one thing League does right it's making supports able to have fun. The 5-role in Dota exists almost solely because there's not enough resources on the map to give gold to all heroes, meanwhile wards still cost gold so what little you do get absolutely has to go towards those otherwise you're objectively playing the game wrong. Valve seems like they've done everything they can think of to make the 5-role as boring and unfun as possible while also making it an absolute necessity, since now your team's four position is going to get a Midas and is an Ogre Magi. I mean, I main 4 and 5 and I don't agree with that. If you're ever not aggressively fighting, making stacks, or moving to aggressively fight or make stacks, you've done something really wrong. Meanwhile when I played League most of what supports did was sit in bushes and stun the enemy jungler when he came.
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