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AnEdgelord posted:It really is amazing how much the narrative of "America is a positive actor on the world stage" relies on deliberate suppression of the historical record or even ongoing atrocities.  (while ignoring their country's own active one), just because they believed electing ONE black president made them a post-racial country. 
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Love 2 create an African slave state as the first black president and win the Nobel Peace Prize
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Does anyone have the episode/clip where the Chapos meet some 4chan nazis who say they're non-aesthetic males who like brutalist architecture, and do an ableism on Matt?
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Halloween Jack posted:I suppose my internal definition of a tankie is anyone who thinks you're not a real leftist if you don't support the Chinese Communist Party, the DPRK, and/or Assad. lots of those people do real-world work. in fact they're doing most of it as workers in union shops or as full-time organizers. as someone else said, stop reading that pyf thread or any of its brethren.
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Halloween Jack posted:I just oppose armed US intervention anywhere under any circumstances, for the same reason I oppose unsupervised children playing with guns anywhere under any circumstances. If that makes me a tankie, I'm cool with it. this category is limited and excludes covert operations, economic war, the enforcement of the dollar regime and any action taken by us "partners" on behalf of their paymasters.
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Jewel Repetition posted:Does anyone have the episode/clip where the Chapos meet some 4chan nazis who say they're non-aesthetic males who like brutalist architecture, and do an ableism on Matt? Its the cpac episode. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e94GD1i8Z5U
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morally adept posted:Its the cpac episode. Thanks. I still wonder what ableism they said to Matt
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Jewel Repetition posted:Thanks. I still wonder what ableism they said to Matt Probably called him an umkempt oaf.
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if im not mistaken the peshmerga are distinct from the ypg aren't they, so it's not quite accurate to say "the ypg" abandoned the yazidis. the 2 guests seem to be arguing that the ypg disarmed the assyrian/yazidi populace (it was the peshmerga) to allow isis into that territory, then fled, then came back once the yazidis were on the mountain, so the ypg would then look like heroes for rescuing them all? seems a bit conspiracist idk.
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Sep 18, 2019 06:49
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Doc Hawkins posted:hello fellow stalin-episode listener
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I guess I should recommend something good instead of just being a hater. The episode of Swampside Chats on Mike Davis's "Old Gods, New Enigmas" (https://soundcloud.com/swampsidechats/100-old-gods-new-enigmas) got me to read the book for once, and both are worth your time if you're into looking at historical political struggles in a new light. The main chapter of the book explores the numerous class struggles in Europe from 1848-1921 as a continuously evolving movement of movements, and distills some lessons for future revolutionaries from them.
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Terrorist Fistbump posted:That poo poo was THREE hours long and I don't believe they even mentioned Steven Kotkin's biography of the guy once! it was fine
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Grevling posted:Probably called him an umkempt oaf. That's less ableism and more anti-Midwestern racism.
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It could have been related to this:Big, Round Marxist Boy Matt Christman posted:Amber, my co-host, her theory for me is that the real thing that kind of guaranteed that I would become a Leftist as opposed to a logic guy, or an alt-right guy, or a Libertarian – which, when I look at my cultural preferences and the stuff that I like and my attitude, it’s kind of stunning I didn’t….Between my high school years and my college, I owned, either separately or all at once, a sword, a fedora, well, not a fedora, a Hamburg with a little feather in it, a trench coat, a Goodfellas poster on my wall, the Edward Hopper “Nighthawks” poster because I was existential, and a shirt that I loving ordered online, early internet, a black shirt with white print that said some people are only alive because it’s against the law to kill them. And I look at that and I’m like “why am I not a cryptocurrency guy right now?” And Amber’s theory is that it’s because when I was in my senior year of high school, my dad died when I was a junior, and the next year, senior year, I was halfway through the first semester, I was gonna be in the play, “The Taming of the Shrew,” and I got back pain. My mom sent me to a chiropractor, he was like banging around back there, and I had a heating pad on for a month I just had this persistent back pain. But then one day, in December or early January, I woke up and one of my legs was just weak. I was limping. I made an appointment for a doctor but then when I woke up the next morning, I couldn’t move at all. Neither of my legs…they wouldn’t do anything. I had to go to the doctor and in Manitowoc they were kinda like [shrugging noise]. And then somebody in Sheyboygan had another idea, and then they ended up taking me to Milwaukee. And they said I had a lesion on my spinal cord…they had to do a spinal tap and MRIs and stuff. They went in and got it, and it was an abcess. The reason they didn’t know that’s what it was at first is that you’re not supposed to have that unless you have a really compromised immune system. And I did not.
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Are the regular Qanonymous episodes 2 to 6 locked in the patreon? I can not seem to find them.
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Mr Hootington posted:Are the regular Qanonymous episodes 2 to 6 locked in the patreon? I can not seem to find them. I always assumed they were deleted as an old shame because episode 7 is when Travis View joins. But there are links to them in the discord. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/npb3wcdg823wl4p/AACYOGWhR-6whTNIQbrvV3Mea?dl=0 "They confused people" is the explanation given so they're probably just bad.
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Grevling posted:I always assumed they were deleted as an old shame because episode 7 is when Travis View joins. But there are links to them in the discord. Thanks! I appreciate the help.
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https://jacobinmag.com/2019/09/andrew-yang-universal-basic-income-ubi-betty-friedan-feminine-mystique
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freckle posted:https://jacobinmag.com/2019/09/andrew-yang-universal-basic-income-ubi-betty-friedan-feminine-mystique Amber doing a dignity of work thing. Horseshoed
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The Citations Needed episode on Nate Bronze has been released! https://twitter.com/CitationsPod/status/1174334974859853829?s=20
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Good topic but it features the fake british accent guy. Tough call
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ikanreed posted:Amber doing a dignity of work thing. Horseshoed not really. her point is that ubi doesn't solve women's problems much in the same way that being a "kept" woman didn't
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Serf posted:not really. her point is that ubi doesn't solve women's problems much in the same way that being a "kept" woman didn't I'd go further and say that it doesn't solve anyone's problem, and we know that because the dynamics of suburban 50s america led to a generation of broken housewives. Ergo, UBI alone would lead to a generation of broken people, because while the material needs are taken care of, we still live in an atomized neoliberal hellworld. I think her focus is more on the importance of belonging to a community rather than the moral benefits or whatever of having a job. Although jobs of course, can provide that sense of community, that itself is in tension with the overall framework of capitalism It's a p decent article imo. I enjoyed it.
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A workplace is also a site for class-conscious organization in ways that a Minecraft server is definitely not.
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"material needs are taken care of" presumes your rent, education and healthcare expenses won't all go up by $1000 each in Yangtopia
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Clark Nova posted:"material needs are taken care of" presumes your rent, education and healthcare expenses won't all go up by $1000 each in Yangtopia She addresses that early in the article but goes on to say Amber posted:Nonetheless, my interest here is not to argue that UBI is unworkable (it is), and that it lies to us with a bait-and-switch false promise of security (it does); I am arguing that even if it was feasible and offered security exactly the way Silicon Valley says it will, UBI is not desirable. We know this, because we already tried it. Then she goes on to the rest of the article
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freckle posted:https://jacobinmag.com/2019/09/andrew-yang-universal-basic-income-ubi-betty-friedan-feminine-mystique I'm extremely sympathetic to the core argument here but this article doesn't really address the stifling sexism and utterly sterile culture of the mid century suburbs undergirding the subjectivity of those affluent housewives. There's a hint of vulgar Marxism here; an attempt to reduce the alienation of the suburban housewife and the anomie of the millenial NEET to a common denominator of material privilege.
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housewives actually did have to work though. hence the wages for housework movement, social reproduction theory, all of that stuff
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Ferrinus posted:housewives actually did have to work though. hence the wages for housework movement, social reproduction theory, all of that stuff Yeah, she sort of touches on that, but it's really the fatal flaw of her argument. Her housewife condition is somehow both that of a powerless unconditional UBI recipient and of a laborer negotiating power. It's totally contradictory. At best, she was trying to call out tradwives and Yang Gangers at the same time, but extended to arguing against bourgeois feminism without doing enough to highlight the ideology underlying all of them.
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Helsing posted:to reduce [ ... ] to a common denominator of material privilege. that's so amber
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sleeptalker posted:Yeah, she sort of touches on that, but it's really the fatal flaw of her argument. Her housewife condition is somehow both that of a powerless unconditional UBI recipient and of a laborer negotiating power. It's totally contradictory. My take is to develop the argument farther and say that its not work/no work but rather a functional community and actual input in your condition? I tend to think UBI (a good one not Yang's bullshit) is a better idea from a welfare-state perspective but the actual goal isn't just welfare but worker democracy
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Doc Hawkins posted:that's so amber Can't believe she had a good and interesting idea that's also not quite developed and overly materialistic where whether or not you like it is dependent on how much you dislike the people she's mad at
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felix's bidenlander ftw
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my wife, she. my wife was beautiful, ok? in those days, girls in the scottish highlands, they didn’t wash up. this one did. the reason - the reason i’m out here. i want the quickening to happen. i want to live like a mortal, ok? i want to quicken…your kids, learning. inside these schools, ok? i’m going to fight the kurgan. for you.
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StashAugustine posted:My take is to develop the argument farther and say that its not work/no work but rather a functional community and actual input in your condition? I tend to think UBI (a good one not Yang's bullshit) is a better idea from a welfare-state perspective but the actual goal isn't just welfare but worker democracy Sounds like a good direction to me. Having control over your labor includes not being forced to labor, so welfare seems like an important component, but it won't withstand capitalist exploitation and drive worker control just by itself. It can be a foundation for further political action.
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universal basic services are where it's at
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why gloss over the part where she talks about how the alienation of a housewife from her domestic labor is the same as everyone would feel from their own domestic labor under ubi
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a "progressive" UBI would be a lot like a pre-dual income era housewife, the government would give you an allowance while it went off to work plundering the global south, then eventually he gets mad (crisis of capitalism) and murders you (fascism)😘
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mila kunis posted:my wife, she. my wife was beautiful, ok? in those days, girls in the scottish highlands, they didn’t wash up. this one did. Highlander Biden is one of those classic Felix bits that have been rare since he started the Twitch channel
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