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MoonKnight posted:Nightmare (supernatural fear)
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drat, guess I’m not getting the Trinity books after all. I thought it was paid already but I guess not and I just can’t afford it right now. Ruined my day. 😔
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Sep 14, 2019 17:34
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Deviant launches on KS Thursday. 
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Sep 17, 2019 18:51
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Dawgstar posted:Deviant launches on KS Thursday. but you might want to hold off on supporting it till Kickstarter institutes a union. Probably.
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Sep 17, 2019 18:57
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The union has not called for a boycott, so it's up to individuals here. I believe their reasoning was at this moment it'd hurt creators more than Kickstarter and they don't want that.
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Sep 17, 2019 19:07
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One of my werewolves just ate a vampire. I was going to have her take damage and throw up, any other ideas that make things more fun? She's already leaning into the cannibalism angle and the pack will deal with that, so I'm not really going to go blood addiction. We've also already discussed her character going NPC and becoming an antagonist with the devourer rules. Just a fun one time fuckery.
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Sep 17, 2019 19:17
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I actually don't think eating a vampire would gently caress up a werewolf more than eating a human would. Like, I'd treat it as 'you ate a human, but this one tasted super gross except for the blood.'
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Sep 17, 2019 19:20
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Vampire flesh is whatever but I can't imagine there's anything good that comes of ingesting a bunch of Vitae. (Can uratha get blood bound? Imagine becoming obsessively devoted to the person you're cannibalizing while you're eating them.)
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Sep 17, 2019 19:50
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Soonmot posted:One of my werewolves just ate a vampire. Soonmot posted:I was going to have her take damage and throw up,
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Sep 17, 2019 19:52
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"Oh god I love you!" "Then please stop!" "No, No, not that kind of.... is there a greek word for 'love you like a sandwich?'" "STOP GNAWING ON MY LEG!"
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Sep 17, 2019 20:26
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Soonmot posted:One of my werewolves just ate a vampire. I was going to have her take damage and throw up, any other ideas that make things more fun? She's already leaning into the cannibalism angle and the pack will deal with that, so I'm not really going to go blood addiction. We've also already discussed her character going NPC and becoming an antagonist with the devourer rules. Just a fun one time fuckery. Nothing magical, but the vampire's coterie takes umbrage. Suddenly there's an intense municipal interest in expanding development into wherever the local lodge is. She feels a rush of raw power like a mortal suddenly gaining tons of Potence, but she's already a werewolf so it doesn't actually do anything. It just really amps her up. Maybe a Strix takes an interest as she spiritually metabolizes the blood. In a crazy twist, the spiritual gut flora (and the Divine Fire) cause the werewolf to vomit the roughly intact vampire back up but now they're an Ulgan Promethean.
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Sep 17, 2019 21:07
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I think that eating a vampire would only count as one drink for the blood bond, unless they reworked that for Requiem and I forgot. It's the individual drinks (and I believe they have to be spread out temporally, too) that count, not how much dracula juice you guzzle.
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Sep 18, 2019 02:21
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That Old Tree posted:Nothing magical, but the vampire's coterie takes umbrage. Suddenly there's an intense municipal interest in expanding development into wherever the local lodge is. I am going to do some reading on the pandorans because this is giving me ideas
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Sep 18, 2019 04:56
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Inzombiac posted:I love it. Okay this is ancient history at this point, but I was catching up and my grognard brain got stuck on this, so for the record: True Friend doesn't grant you access to any of the perks associated with Allies, Retainer, etc. unless you also purchase those Merits. Even if your True Friend is the chief of police, you can't leverage that relationship into actual material aid unless you also have dots of Allies (Police). If you need an excuse, the chief is hamstrung by regulation, politics, lack of funding or whatever, but the real reason is of course that you didn't pay for it. You do of course get the undeniable advantage that the chief of police likes you and will never sell you out, but without further investment it's hard to say how far that gets you. That's kind of the inherent problem with Social Merits - it's hard to say where a positive relationship with an NPC crosses over into a mechanically advantageous Merit.
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Sep 18, 2019 09:52
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Mors Rattus posted:The union has not called for a boycott, so it's up to individuals here. I believe their reasoning was at this moment it'd hurt creators more than Kickstarter and they don't want that. For instance, Rowan, Rook & Decard just started the Kickstarter for Heart, a dungeon exploration spinoff of Spire, and they say upfront in the Kickstarter FAQ and risks & rewards section that they've only gone ahead because the union has so far not called for a boycott, but they stand ready to act in the event that the union changes its advice during the funding period, and Greg Stolze and others have signed an open letter more or less saying the same thing; it'll be interesting to see what, if anything, Onyx Path does in this regard.
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Sep 18, 2019 12:20
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Soonmot posted:I am going to do some reading on the pandorans because this is giving me ideas Laid out the seeds of a future antagonist, going to mix in a bit of the body hopping vampire y'all statted up earlier, too. quote:For an instant, Nikki feels power like she's never known fill her belly and radiate an intoxicating warmth outward, filling her limbs with strength. Her muscles tense, ready to tear the universe apart. And then everything contracts. Her stomach rebels at the rotten, dead meat floating around inside. Already overstuffed, the killer curls up in a ball, retching. Her vomiting is so intense that her ribs shatter, hot acid burns the inside of her throat and she can feel her back teeth begin to dissolve in the torrent of coppery acid that begins to literally burn the concrete in front of her. Chunks of partially digested flesh and mangled organs pile up in front the werewolf as tears begin to blur her vision.
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Sep 18, 2019 13:44
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Warthur posted:it'll be interesting to see what, if anything, Onyx Path does in this regard. In this week's Monday Meeting post they mentioned looking into other options, including traditional preorders.
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Sep 18, 2019 14:36
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That Old Tree posted:In this week's Monday Meeting post they mentioned looking into other options, including traditional preorders. In the comments, Rich says that OP are aware of what's going on and have taken note that the union are currently asking people not to change how they use Kickstarter at the present time. He doesn't, on the other hand, quite go so far as to say OP would actually do something if the union's advice changed.
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Sep 18, 2019 14:42
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Hopefully someone emailed Onyx Path the union busting PowerPoints Amazon uses internally. I am wary of backing any kickstarter now, even if the creators are using the lack of call for a boycott. It is all so recent that it is fine for the next month or two just because it is hard to pivot but at the same time that won't be true eventually.
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Sep 18, 2019 15:36
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Lord_Hambrose posted:Hopefully someone emailed Onyx Path the union busting PowerPoints Amazon uses internally.
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Sep 18, 2019 17:05
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That is an important distinction to be sure.
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Sep 18, 2019 17:49
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Warthur posted:I think it's worth noting that what we're looking at isn't a lack of a call for a boycott, it's a specific call from the union not to boycott just yet. That's the crucial difference for me. Um... what about the Kickstarter/the union/boycott? Is there a thread when I can read more?
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Sep 18, 2019 19:06
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Gantolandon posted:Um... what about the Kickstarter/the union/boycott? Is there a thread when I can read more? Kickstarter have been firing people for trying to organise a union. This has a lot of creators rightly very upset indeed. Right now, the workers are saying "don't boycott for now, we'll keep you posted". If that changes to "okay, boycott" midway through a campaign I'm pledging for, even if that campaign is (as for example) a game I did the early design for and won't be paid for until publication, I am cancelling that pledge in a heartbeat. And so should you. The last couple of days has seen several ttrpg kickstarters launch with "the union calls for a strike" in the Risks. We'll see if Deviant does.
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Sep 18, 2019 19:19
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Dave Brookshaw posted:Kickstarter have been firing people for trying to organise a union. This has a lot of creators rightly very upset indeed. You're good people.
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Sep 18, 2019 20:01
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I feel like the tide is starting to turn, slowly, among niche groups, towards being in favor of unions. Hopefully this is a springboard to people in general giving a gently caress about the labor movement, but we'll see.
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Sep 18, 2019 21:22
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Digital Osmosis posted:I feel like the tide is starting to turn, slowly, among niche groups, towards being in favor of unions. Hopefully this is a springboard to people in general giving a gently caress about the labor movement, but we'll see. It's like Jon Bois says in this video: people who are against unions are assholes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZymSrDfLhW8
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Sep 19, 2019 04:47
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Cross-posting from the Kickstarter thread: Looks like Deviant has launched and much like Contagion Chronicle it really doesn't seem all that interesting to me. At this pace it will probably fund within a few hours, which is a little slow for OPP. I remember Contagion and Dark Eras 2 also weren't their usual runaway money toboggan, but I seem to recall Dark Eras 1 was huge, and Changeling (was that the last CoD KS before Contagion?) and the Trinity books have been doing pretty well. So I remain pretty skeptical of the notion of Kickstarter fatigue, and more convinced these newer lines of development just aren't attractive to the customer base. (It's still going to be ridiculously successful by more normal standards.) Edit: Oh no the last CoD KS was Geist which looks like it did pretty well. That Old Tree fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Sep 19, 2019 |
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Sep 19, 2019 17:54
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I put in for the basic pledge level for now, just to catch updates. Can't say as I'm super surprised the union was not mentioned in the risks, but I am somewhat disappointed.
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Sep 19, 2019 18:07
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I'm going to skip pledging towards the Deviant book in part because not putting the potential industrial action by the Kickstarter union in the risks section elides what Onyx Path as a company stands for and what the challenges and rewards of the Kickstarter platform is for them.
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Sep 19, 2019 19:24
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That Old Tree posted:At this pace it will probably fund within a few hours, which is a little slow for OPP. It's become a somewhat meaningless metric because at this particular moment in time Gerund posted:I'm going to skip pledging towards the Deviant book in part because not putting the potential industrial action by the Kickstarter union in the risks section elides what Onyx Path as a company stands for and what the challenges and rewards of the Kickstarter platform is for them. is a real issue. PnP gaming isn't a field where a bunch of folks get lost in the hundreds of thousands of people that would pledge or something. It doesn't take many people skipping a pledge because of the union busting for it to have a meaningful effect on the pace.
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Sep 19, 2019 21:29
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I hope I'm wrong but I'm highly doubtful most potential customers actually give a poo poo about the union-busting.
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Sep 19, 2019 21:35
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All Deviants Are Scabs
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Sep 19, 2019 21:36
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What happened when I sent a message asking about KS United via Kickstarter posted:Hi Adam, No idea why they wouldn't put this on the KS campaign itself.
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Sep 19, 2019 22:47
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That Old Tree posted:I hope I'm wrong but I'm highly doubtful most potential customers actually give a poo poo about the union-busting. That's sort of the point. Math time! The difference between Geist which you think did pretty well and Contagion which seems like an iffier release is.....424 people. The difference between Geist and Changeling 2 is a little over 500. Lets call Changeling the safe upper limit of "People that might be seriously interested in pledging". 1/50th of people that pledged to Changeling 2 is 1/9th the difference between a Geist 2 and a Contagion Chronicles. That's both not a lot of potential customers and also a noticeable impact towards perceived success and failure. It doesn't take much to shake things up when you are dealing with small numbers. Beast did 1.6k, anywhere in the 1.5 to 2k range I'd say it's doing just fine. Less than that and I'd say something was depressing interest.
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Sep 19, 2019 23:31
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Spector29 posted:No idea why they wouldn't put this on the KS campaign itself. Now I don't know if that would be make or break numbers. I think the percentage that would actually for-real be like "gently caress THE UNION, gently caress ALL UNIONS, I AM TRASH MAN" would be relatively small, but it would also be really loving loud, and probably has network effects due to being real loud.
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Sep 19, 2019 23:41
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Spector29 posted:No idea why they wouldn't put this on the KS campaign itself. (If Luke Crane is pro-Kickstarter United then I begrudgingly retract the above joke. But I don't see much evidence of that.)
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Sep 20, 2019 19:02
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Moving this here from F&f: wouldn’t most vampires not on Humanity just become Spectres rather than wraiths? I guess maybe not some of the less kill happy paths. But scouring your dome that way seems bad for your potential Psyche. On the other hand Intimitation might make it very easy to get on a Path.
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Sep 20, 2019 20:03
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Nessus posted:Moving this here from F&f: wouldn’t most vampires not on Humanity just become Spectres rather than wraiths? I guess maybe not some of the less kill happy paths. But scouring your dome that way seems bad for your potential Psyche.
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Sep 20, 2019 20:18
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Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:Yeah, I'd think just about any of the Paths that aren't sufficiently Humanity-adjacent (or, like Scorched Heart, kill off the emotions that would empower your Shadow) would fast-track a dead vampire into Spectre-dom, since so many of them are about "be an overt hideous monster" or "yes, listen to the voice in your head that says Do Murders" and that's Spectre 101.
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Nessus posted:Vampires might end up with strong but relatively dumb Shadows in a lot of cases. Since I imagine most of the successful ones tend to front the manipulative aspects of their personality.
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