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fauna posted:fart Wrong voice
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ModernMajorGeneral posted:Do you think that "imperialism and globalisation homogenised patriarchal cultures across the world" is an insufficient/less likely explanation so much so that "all men are sexists as newborns" is more plausible?
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Sep 18, 2019 11:13
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Men are indeed all absolutely poo poo, fauna posted:fart
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Sep 18, 2019 12:04
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Anidav posted:I agree, thank you all for talking. The most powerful tool an individual has is thier voice. Unless they're quoting Bob Hawke.
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Sep 18, 2019 12:07
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John Setka is a good union leader and trying to hound him out is a very good way to further cripple the already moribund labour movement. But hey at least the political wing of the movement is still going strong
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Sep 18, 2019 12:20
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Oh yeah so the MUA WA disassociated themselves from Unions WA aka the only trades and labour peak body in the state over that loving disaster of a state ALP conference, which is extra spicy because Unions WA and the ALP are entirely seperate entities in tyool 2019, making Christy Caine's decision to take his bat and ball and go home an absolutely loving galaxy brain decision, my boy. When even the union movement can't even loving work together because pissy old men get offended that maybe having a second container port is more important than defending the fragile sensibilities of a bunch of other old men who might need to drive an extra 15 minutes to work, then what the gently caress hope do the ALP themselves ever have of not publically making GBS threads themselves every day ending with y.
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Sep 18, 2019 12:27
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BBJoey posted:John Setka is a good union leader and trying to hound him out is a very good way to further cripple the already moribund labour movement. Roman Polanski made some excellent cinema, furthermore I mean yeah absolutely he is, but he's also the gift that keeps on giving to the Libs, and, y'know, a loving misogynistic abuser.
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Sep 18, 2019 12:39
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Whitlam posted:Roman Polanski made some excellent cinema, furthermore What was Setka's Rosemary's Baby?
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Sep 18, 2019 12:46
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I wonder if I’ll ever stop parsing ‘mua’ as ‘makeup artist’
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Sep 18, 2019 12:51
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BBJoey posted:John Setka is a good union leader And a misogynistic rear end in a top hat who should be fired into the sun. Like.... this isnt even disputable anymore, he's got far too many comments on tape and a conviction. It's 2019 and we drat well should demand people in leadership to not be 1950's throwbacks.
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Sep 18, 2019 13:10
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Don Dongington posted:Men are indeed all absolutely poo poo, it's true, you are absolutely poo poo
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Sep 18, 2019 13:11
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:And a misogynistic rear end in a top hat who should be fired into the sun. Like.... this isnt even disputable anymore, he's got far too many comments on tape and a conviction. It's 2019 and we drat well should demand people in leadership to not be 1950's throwbacks. normally I would agree but the stakes are just too high now that the libs have made it clear that getting rid of him would trigger a whole new (new (new)) wave of further unionbusting it's more important to protect the union movement as a whole than it is to get rid of one epic freaking twatnozzle or whatever, he can be quietly shuffled off sometime down the road but you just cannot give the liberal party even half an inch on this no matter how clever their wedges are
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Sep 18, 2019 13:15
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 Why is the Coalition telling big biz to gently caress off all of a sudden. Why is Albanese the one siding with big biz when the Coalition tells them to gently caress off? Why Why Whyyyyy
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Sep 18, 2019 13:52
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Anidav posted:
No the question you should be asking is "then who the gently caress do they represent", because it's sure as not working people, women, the disabled, farmers, or anyone who stands to lose out in a recession... Is it culture warrior idiots? Specific party donors? Rupert Murdoch? Self-funded retirees? I feel like a real opposition party should be scoring hit after hit on these weirdos but naaaahhhh better let em do their thing aye.
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Sep 18, 2019 14:01
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You know the Fox News "union guy"? And how he is the American right's stereotype of the scary unions. Well I reckon Setka is the Australian version of that bloke. He is a provably rapey/gropey/sexually harrassy toxic masculinity thug who is only interested in his position of power in the Union administration hierarchy actively trying to hamper productivity
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Sep 18, 2019 14:06
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BrigadierSensible posted:Well I reckon Setka is the Australian version of that bloke. He is a provably rapey/gropey/sexually harrassy toxic masculinity thug who is only interested in his position of power in the Union administration hierarchy actively trying to hamper productivity I assume you are saying that this is what the liberal party would have people believe rather than the actual truth of the matter
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Sep 18, 2019 14:12
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BrigadierSensible posted:You know the Fox News "union guy"? And how he is the American right's stereotype of the scary unions. Heh, get a load of this idiot so-called "leftist" who missed the memo that actually those traits are actually, in fact, cool and good and fine if you're halfway decent at your job. Serious post: a small number of posters ITT actually have extremely unhealthy attitudes to women, and speaking particularly as a union woman, it's loving gross and shouldn't be tolerated. At all. If the moral argument doesn't move you then consider the pragmatic that this poo poo is exactly the kind of thing that keeps women away from the union movement, and from sharing stories of abuse. Setka isn't the only qualified person in the world to run the CFMMEU, and if he genuinely gave a poo poo about the union movement he'd gently caress off for a few years and endorse someone who's not an abusive, misogynistic prick, even if it's someone under his control who he'd be able to influence from behind the scenes.
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Sep 18, 2019 14:28
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Whitlam posted:gross
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Sep 18, 2019 14:31
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at least there's a loving union movement around currently for women to be turned off from, if you give the libs even one single inch it won't be long before we don't even have that
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Sep 18, 2019 14:32
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wait, why am i responding to whit "the word bum is culturally appropriating from the ALP and also i uncritically believe everything fairfax says about the greens" lam
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Sep 18, 2019 14:33
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I'm uncertain how keeping him around is somehow a defense against the Libs? Doesn't have a major creep clinging on to a powerful position kinda give them MORE offensive options/"justifications" to go about busting unions?
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Sep 18, 2019 15:10
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meteor9 posted:I'm uncertain how keeping him around is somehow a defense against the Libs? Doesn't have a major creep clinging on to a powerful position kinda give them MORE offensive options/"justifications" to go about busting unions? it sets a precedent for caving in to these cynical demands, you do it once and then you've made it a lot harder to resist whatever "pro-women" pretexts are found for other, more genuinely damaging poo poo if you don't cave in then the moral pressure on you is only as strong as you allow it to be, particularly because I don't think there's a single person in the entire country that thinks the liberals are doing this out of any genuine concern for women
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Sep 18, 2019 15:40
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it's exactly the same kind of cowardly "we need to give them what they want or else we're just giving them ammunition to use against us" move that the democrats in the US have been making for years/decades(?) and that this thread is normally pretty good at detecting when it comes to refugee/national security policy
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Sep 18, 2019 15:42
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meteor9 posted:I'm uncertain how keeping him around is somehow a defense against the Libs? Doesn't have a major creep clinging on to a powerful position kinda give them MORE offensive options/"justifications" to go about busting unions? stop engaging with the Gen X tankie
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BrigadierSensible posted:You know the Fox News "union guy"? And how he is the American right's stereotype of the scary unions.
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Sep 18, 2019 22:44
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setka can gently caress off but that might have been the worst post of 2019 so far itt
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Sep 18, 2019 22:46
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Union power is the only good thing Australia has over the US besides healthcare.
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Sep 18, 2019 23:11
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I reckon not having assault rifles everywhere is fuckin grouse. Also heaps of other stuff/almost everything else including not being America
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Sep 18, 2019 23:16
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I can think of at least a few countries as good as if not better than Australia across a wide range of metrics bc I’m not a flag drenched numpty but America is not one of em
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Sep 18, 2019 23:18
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every day i wake up and face towards john setka before commencing my morning thanksgivings for unions
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Sep 18, 2019 23:23
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Lid posted:stop engaging with the Gen X tankie if you’re talking about me I’m neither gen X nor a tankie, sorry 
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Sep 18, 2019 23:34
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I'm really sorry if I came across as pro-Libs, or anti-Union in that post. I didn't mean to. My point was that Setka is/looks like he came straight out of central casting as "Union thug" Also that he is a proven sexual harrasser, and having him in a position of authority is bad. Also that gives the anti-Union Libs something to point at and go "Look, there is one sex-pest in a prominent position in the Unions/Labor party. Therefore they all are, and they are all bad. So we are justified in smashing them and bringing back WorkChoices." Which is also bad.
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Sep 18, 2019 23:56
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Remember pre-election when Albanese gave that speech about working with big business and people tried to explain how he wasn't a poo poo.
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LIVE AMMO ROLEPLAY posted:Remember pre-election when Albanese gave that speech about working with big business and people tried to explain how he wasn't a poo poo. the only way I want to "work with" big business is in the same way a blacksmith "works with" metal. i.e. beating it into submission
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Sep 19, 2019 00:12
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LIVE AMMO ROLEPLAY posted:Remember pre-election when Albanese gave that speech about working with big business and people tried to explain how he wasn't a poo poo. Anidav, burn your card again. Sneerg eht nioj
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Sep 19, 2019 00:13
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Malcolm Turnbeug posted:I reckon not having assault rifles everywhere is fuckin grouse. Also heaps of other stuff/almost everything else including not being America
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Sep 19, 2019 00:32
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green good and red bad its basic economics
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Sep 19, 2019 00:33
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Sep 19, 2019 00:40
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Unions self-policing shitheads like Setka out is a point against Liberals' "outlaw Unions" bullshit Setka hanging on to power despite it all only helps the Coalition
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Anidav posted:
The coalition still loves big business, you need to read these articles. What's pissing the coalition off is that more and more corporations are making public statements on social issues e.g. Rugby Australia telling Israel Folau to get hosed, or companies pulling their ads from Alan Jones. It's all culture war poo poo. They're not going to start taxing corporations more they just want them to shut up about climate change being real or gays being human. And to be a bit less cynical, divestment from fossil fuels is a movement that's getting a decent amount of traction around the world, they're probably terrified that all their big donor mining buddies might have less cash to splash around.
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