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The thing that stood out to me with Versas was the drivetrain arthritis. Never felt such a degree of friction when steering.
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Applebees Appetizer posted:That's good enough blame for me, they could have just bought the rights to the design of an already proven engine like a Honda K series or something, or just flat out buy them from Honda/Toyota/Mazda. I was just reading this: https://www.whatcar.com/news/2019-what-car-reliability-survey-brands/n20069 I'm not sure why Mazda and even GM aren't anywhere on that list, and the article doesn't seem to mention either so it seems pretty incomplete, but there's Kia up at #6. I understand Kia has recalled like 2.3 million cars, but unless damage had already occurred, it's just a software update as I understand, and they extended warranties if you do ever get the in-engine debris. Edit: I'm guessing GM wasn't included because it's European only? Mazda sells cars in Europe though, right? davebo fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Sep 16, 2019 |
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What Car? is British so that helps explain your no GM thing
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MrYenko posted:I drove a Versa rental in Philadelphia for a few days, and it was the most hateful little thing I’ve ever had the displeasure of driving. No part of it actually seemed to WANT to be there. It was like an economy car designed to appeal to the people that design DMV waiting rooms. I'll give it credit in being able to reasonably hold speed going up from Denver using the cruise control. It was probably like 500 RPM off redline the whole time, but it did it.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:What Car? is British so that helps explain your no GM thing Vauxhall is the UK brand of Opel, which is the European division of GM, you ignoramuses  And it’s about where you think it should be... EDIT: Opel/Vauxhall cars are like bastard children of a Buick for the exterior and a Chevy for the interior. They are positioned about where Chevy would be sans pickup trucks, Corvette, or Camaro morothar fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Sep 16, 2019 |
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morothar posted:Vauxhall is the UK brand of Opel, which is the European division of GM, you ignoramuses I can't believe I forgot that. I was expecting to see GM there as Opel.
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morothar posted:Vauxhall is the UK brand of Opel, which is the European division of GM, you ignoramuses GME is dead and Vauxhall is the UK brand of Opel, which is the German brand of PSA. I think that’s why you don’t see GM on the list.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:GME is dead and Vauxhall is the UK brand of Opel, which is the German brand of PSA. I think that’s why you don’t see GM on the list. You’re right in that ownership transferred to PSA in... 2017? Pass me the crow so I can take a bite out of it. Most of the vehicles in the line-up are still obvious GM products though - the Buick Regal and Opel Insigna still look painfully similar
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davebo posted:I was just reading this: https://www.whatcar.com/news/2019-what-car-reliability-survey-brands/n20069 The software update for the Theta II issues doesn't actually solve the problem, it just updates the computer to use the knock sensor data to put the car into limp mode before parts start exiting the block at speed. For Kia they have stated that the engine issues are caused by premature wear in the crankshaft bearings and no software update is going to fix that. The update is just so they can pull the engine apart and replace the bearings before the engine seizes because that's cheaper for them then replacing the shortblock.
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kill me now posted:The software update for the Theta II issues doesn't actually solve the problem, it just updates the computer to use the knock sensor data to put the car into limp mode before parts start exiting the block at speed. Well right, how often does software actually solve anything, that's why I mentioned the extended warranty if you do encounter the issue later on. Have they or anyone else released numbers on how many people are actually encountering the issue though, because I haven't seen any. It's easy to say how many million cars were recalled but I have no idea how many are "affected", but they keep rating highly in reliability polls so I can only assume it's not a large percentage, or is it only happening over 100k miles or something?
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davebo posted:Well right, how often does software actually solve anything, that's why I mentioned the extended warranty if you do encounter the issue later on. Have they or anyone else released numbers on how many people are actually encountering the issue though, because I haven't seen any. It's easy to say how many million cars were recalled but I have no idea how many are "affected", but they keep rating highly in reliability polls so I can only assume it's not a large percentage, or is it only happening over 100k miles or something? The motors usually pop between 60-90k mi and they have definitely replaced a lot of theta II engines over the past 3 years.
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morothar posted:You’re right in that ownership transferred to PSA in... 2017? Pass me the crow so I can take a bite out of it. Oh for sure, almost everything is all on Opel / GME platforms still. Only the Crossland X and Grandland X are on PSA platforms.
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Sadly we don't get the interesting stuff the Japanese brands sell in other parts of the world.
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I want this. Electric van, they say it'll cost as much as regular vans (likely super top spec ones though I imagine). It's so clean looking. 
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Olympic Mathlete posted:I want this.
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david_a posted:Is it capable of going over speed bumps? No.
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david_a posted:Is it capable of going over speed bumps? Or, like anything with a 1 degree approach angle. That thing would get stuck just getting in and out of driveways.
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How about pebbles?
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Wistful of Dollars posted:Sadly we don't get the interesting stuff the Japanese brands sell in other parts of the world. You’re not missing much. Kei cars kinda suck eggs (the S660 is loving rad though), the Toyota Mark X/Crown/Crown Majesta are kinda neat I guess, and the Breadvans, which are also sort of cool.
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Frond posted:You’re not missing much. Kei cars kinda suck eggs (the S660 is loving rad though), the Toyota Mark X/Crown/Crown Majesta are kinda neat I guess, and the Breadvans, which are also sort of cool. If Toyota built a modernized chaser with an in-line 6 turbo of their own design with their Dual injection system I would buy that vehicle instead of hemming and hawing over M340s, S5s and Stingers. All I care about are properly sporty Toyota’s within the Audi S4/S5 sportback mission profile. Like I almost bought the M340 again last weekend and got cold feet because the ECU connections in the B58 motor are not sealed/insulated and vulnerable to weather related damage over time and because the timing chain is like an inch away from the firewall and can’t be serviced unless you pull the engine out of the engine bay. Lastly I didn’t like how the turbocharger requires a separate electrically driven cooling pump to run while the car is shut off because I don’t trust BMW electronics. The intercooler is mounted on top of the engine in some kind of brittle looking hard plastic housing that looks like it should be made of a more durable material. Finally I think due to heat dissipation issues there will be problems with cracking PCV tubes and other random crap and annoyances. The thought of all these things happening as I drive an otherwise remarkable car just upset me. Toyota makes good easy to service engines with decent electronics. All I gotta worry about with them are O2 sensors and EGR valves. None of that is hard to deal with. Basically I’m asking for Audi interior, BMW weight/balance/performance and Toyota reliability. My only hope is if Lexus releases a next generation IS of slightly larger interior size to make up for the GS being cancelled and the LS500 twin turbo V6. My guess is they’ll continue using the 2GR-FSE for a 2020/2021 IS350 and that twin turbo ISF reboot will be 100k instead of 50-70k. Kraftwerk fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Sep 17, 2019 |
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ilkhan posted:How about pebbles? No.
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https://twitter.com/LauraLitvan/status/1174020807909171202?s=20 That's certainly going to be a fun fight.
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Olympic Mathlete posted:I want this. It's a new paradigm in pedestrian safety. Zero crash structure so that the same amount of damage is inflicted on the driver as the pedestrian, thus forcing people to drive more carefully.
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Frond posted:You’re not missing much. Kei cars kinda suck eggs (the S660 is loving rad though), the Toyota Mark X/Crown/Crown Majesta are kinda neat I guess, and the Breadvans, which are also sort of cool. I was thinking more about the 4wd's and small(er) pickups.
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It's obviously designed to go on the roads from Minority Report.
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fknlo posted:https://twitter.com/LauraLitvan/status/1174020807909171202?s=20 Don't worry states' rights is totally a thing
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fknlo posted:https://twitter.com/LauraLitvan/status/1174020807909171202?s=20 trump and trump voters are exceedingly stupid people so this seems about right
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No such thing as climate change so i don't see what the problem is 
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mobby_6kl posted:Don't worry states' rights is totally a thing states only have rights when they're being evil in service to capital and/or religious groups
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Kraftwerk posted:Basically I’m asking for Audi interior, BMW weight/balance/performance and Toyota reliability. So a Mercedes E450/E53, basically? Mercedes is arguably back up to at least Honda levels of reliability now that the bad old days of DaimlerChrysler are well behind them. There's the Genesis G80 3.3T Sport as well. Though, honestly, I'd take the 5.0L V8 version while you still can.
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EnergizerFellow posted:So a Mercedes E450/E53, basically? Mercedes is arguably back up to at least Honda levels of reliability now that the bad old days of DaimlerChrysler are well behind them. Are they? A used AMG GT S is starting to look like a sweet deal but I mean, hot-V turbo AMG V8 seems like it could be costly. Then again with a few exceptions the drivetrains were always the most solid parts of the car and the rest just deteriorated around the engine and transmission
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EnergizerFellow posted:So a Mercedes E450/E53, basically? Mercedes is arguably back up to at least Honda levels of reliability now that the bad old days of DaimlerChrysler are well behind them. Thanks for this. I can’t believe I overlooked this. They’re not exactly the same but I’ll check out the Genesis and E53. This new inline 6 they’re using sounds really good. Heck the entirety of this E53 sound like exactly the sort of experience I’m looking for.
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Friend of mine has had a new E53 with the online 6 and he really likes it except for the road noise
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fknlo posted:https://twitter.com/LauraLitvan/status/1174020807909171202?s=20 Are the auto manufacturers basically assuming things are going back to "normal" after Our Big Wet Presidnet is gone? Gotta be weird
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Monkey Fracas posted:Are the auto manufacturers basically assuming things are going back to "normal" after Our Big Wet Presidnet is gone? Gotta be weird California will fight it in court until it becomes moot when Trump is out of office, so probably?
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EnergizerFellow posted:So a Mercedes E450/E53, basically? Mercedes is arguably back up to at least Honda levels of reliability now that the bad old days of DaimlerChrysler are well behind them. There's no word on Mercedes ever bringing the smaller AMG wagons here is there?
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Do you mean the E53AMG or do you mean like... a C-class wagon? Because the answer to that is gently caress no to the latter and almost certainly not to the former.
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Residency Evil posted:There's no word on Mercedes ever bringing the smaller AMG wagons here is there? No we just get the glc or whatever cuv abomination.
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Proud Christian Mom posted:Friend of mine has had a new E53 with the online 6 and he really likes it except for the road noise This is easily solved by replacing the stock run-flats with PS4Ses, which are the tires that belong on every car, whether it's a Prius or a Unimog.
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EnergizerFellow posted:Mercedes is arguably back up to at least Honda levels of reliability Is this true? I don't keep up with either brand much, but this is really hard for me to believe, unless maybe we're talking about 1.5 turbo Hondas. I mean, is there a level above Honda levels of reliability?
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