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They're both bad, but yeah, the Pierces seem worse because of their fake rear end poo poo. Either own being a billionaire like the Roys do, or actually be out in bumblefuck nowhere doing real farming or whatever it is Nan thinks she does during the day. It's so disturbing when they pretend they're normal people while they do the exact same billionaire poo poo the Roys do, just with different words and sayings.
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Eh, I think folks are being a little hard on them. Yeah, they’re pretentious loving assholes, but they aren’t wantonly destroying companies (and the jobs that go with) because daddy had a temper tantrum and they aren’t actively hiding rape and murders that happen on cruise ships. And I while Nan treats her housekeepers like poo poo, she isn’t physically and emotionally abusing her children. The Pierces are at worst the yuppies from Christmas Vacation.
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Solkanar512 posted:Eh, I think folks are being a little hard on them. Yeah, they’re pretentious loving assholes, but they aren’t wantonly destroying companies (and the jobs that go with) because daddy had a temper tantrum and they aren’t actively hiding rape and murders that happen on cruise ships. I'm definitely not saying they're actually worse than the Roys, they just feel that way because of the hypocrisy. The Roys are clearly the more evil family with the whole casual cover up of the cruise ship thing, but at least they own the whole billionaire shtick instead of loudly proclaiming to anyone who will listen that they're just normal folks.
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pnumoman posted:I'm definitely not saying they're actually worse than the Roys, they just feel that way because of the hypocrisy. The Roys are clearly the more evil family with the whole casual cover up of the cruise ship thing, but at least they own the whole billionaire shtick instead of loudly proclaiming to anyone who will listen that they're just normal folks. I think that's legit. It's a massive blind spot for a group of people that supposedly should be aware of that sort of thing.
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Solkanar512 posted:Eh, I think folks are being a little hard on them. Yeah, they’re pretentious loving assholes, but they aren’t wantonly destroying companies (and the jobs that go with) because daddy had a temper tantrum and they aren’t actively hiding rape and murders that happen on cruise ships. Please don't forget that they're considering selling because despite all their appeals to doing the right thing that their media outlet is failing and they want money so they can keep drinking teddy roosevelt cocktails in their "weird little mansion".
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Matt Zerella posted:Please don't forget that they're considering selling because despite all their appeals to doing the right thing that their media outlet is failing and they want money so they can keep drinking teddy roosevelt cocktails in their "weird little mansion". Tern Haven
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clown shoes posted:Tern Haven https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/succession-hbo-season-two-set-design Apparently Tern Haven aka Salutation Manor was built by a relative of JP Morgan and most recently it and the island it's located on was listed for $125M... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-17/buy-a-125-million-island-compound-under-an-hour-from-new-york Bloomberg posted:The island comes with six houses on 46 acres of land, along with 10 acres of underwater rights and a 28 acre pond.
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pnumoman posted:I'm definitely not saying they're actually worse than the Roys, they just feel that way because of the hypocrisy. The Roys are clearly the more evil family with the whole casual cover up of the cruise ship thing, but at least they own the whole billionaire shtick instead of loudly proclaiming to anyone who will listen that they're just normal folks. jesus loving christ no rape-murder-suicide cruises > rape-murder-suicide cruises and no, the honesty of "at least this psychopath owns him being a psychopath" isn't good, "honesty" isn't automatically a good thing
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Doctor Jeep posted:jesus loving christ Knowing your enemy is a good thing, when I say things like "I respect right wing overt racists more than shadowy decorum obsessed liberals" its not an endorsement of the right wing racist behavior. It's a hell of a lot easier to know your enemy vs being constantly sold out by another who pretends to be on your side. the Pearces are EXACTLY that kind of ivory tower liberal. For all their hemming and hawing about protecting the press as a pillar of democracy, had it not been for the cruise scandal, they'd of sold out INSTANTLY. They are hypocrites and extremely nefarious because they paint themselves as the good guys. They are essentially the NYT. A bastion of technocratic liberal elites who value their own security over everyone else. Hating the Roys is easy, but at the very least they dont loving pretend to be something they are not. And I respect that to a point. Matt Zerella fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Sep 19, 2019 |
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I was being a bit hyperbolic when I said the Pierces were worse than the Roys because obviously the Of course their corporate culture isn't quite as ruthless and cynical as Waystar; I think part of what the show is trying to illustrate is that benevolent dictators, media and otherwise, are still dictators who operate according to a different set of rules and expectations, regardless of what their "core values" are. As both being part of the .001%, they probably have far more in common with one another vs others who may share the same political beliefs but not the same social class (especially with Jesse Armstrong being English).
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sticksy posted:I was being a bit hyperbolic when I said the Pierces were worse than the Roys because obviously the Mark my words if one of their publication staffs tried to unionize they'd behave exactly as Kendall did.
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Sep 19, 2019 17:49
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I, a genius, can tell that there is no difference between obnoxious wealthy liberals and the murderous owners of a right wing propaganda machine. 
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Kawasaki Nun posted:I, a genius, can tell that there is no difference between obnoxious wealthy liberals and the murderous owners of a right wing propaganda machine. *cranes neck to read the oped section of liberal establishment media defending the Iraq war and encouraging apartheid in Israel*
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Sep 19, 2019 18:07
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That was a good episode and I hate the Roys and Pierces equally, but the Roys are way more fun to watch
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Sep 19, 2019 20:42
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The hosed up nature of the billionses of dollars involved means that the characters' impact on the world isn't a direct measure of the blackness of their soul. There's something weirdly sympathetic about Roman and how pitiful he clearly is to everyone who's met him, but he still gets to throw around billions because money is weird so he ends up blowing some guy's arm off and never has to see the human consequences. so its weird, for some reason the pierces feel more noxious to me even though the Roys clearly do more bad (and it's not even close). Like the Roys would be some corrupt dynasty that wears it on their sleeve and would be overthrown and the Pierces would get away with it for another generation. None of these metaphors make sense and tbh there's no reason to really defend either of them.
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Kawasaki Nun posted:I, a genius, can tell that there is no difference between obnoxious wealthy liberals and the murderous owners of a right wing propaganda machine. You must be a genius of reading comprehension since that's totally what everyone was saying.
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Hell yeah, Jesse Armstrong wins Emmy for Best Writing in a Drama. No park coke for him tonight.
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Jeremy Strong continues to amaze. Every scene with him felt compelling, and within the ambit of the character, a pretty broad range: flashes of ambition, heartbreak, terror, controlled anger, disappointment, lighthearted joy.
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Watching Kendall trying to talk to his mom about manslaughtering the kid and getting brushed off was a straight up punch in the gut. Logan traumatizing him by dragging him along to the house for no discernable reason beyond punishment for his talking about Rhea wasn't much better. I'm also seriously worried there will be consequences from him dropping the cash in the letterbox.  Best part of the episode though were Greg's loving envelopes. Secret, but not top secret!
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Shiv telling Kendall that Rhea is making a move is probably the only good decision she’s made all season. Wonder if he’s going to incriminate himself with whatever his dumb rear end put in that mail slot. edit: Didn’t realize it was cash. I wasn’t paying attention at first so I thought it was an envelope. CubanMissile fucked around with this message at 09:45 on Sep 23, 2019 |
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I keep feeling like there is some mini episode I've missed between the last and new ones. At the end of the last one it seemed like the Roy empire was on the verge of being taken over and the Pierce takeover was the only way to avoid it. But now there is just a movie sent to sway the shareholders and this move can be countered by Logan by dealing with some of the big fishes. I think it came down to the Roys have 36%, Caroline has 3%, the Ulster guy has 4% and whatever Logan's brother has adds up to almost 50% so all the other shareholders would have to accept the takeover bid. Similarly the scene between Shiv and Kendall at the end of 5 only seems to have paid off at the end of this newest ep after a lot of sibling bickering in Argentes.
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CeeJee posted:I keep feeling like there is some mini episode I've missed between the last and new ones. At the end of the last one it seemed like the Roy empire was on the verge of being taken over and the Pierce takeover was the only way to avoid it. But now there is just a movie sent to sway the shareholders and this move can be countered by Logan by dealing with some of the big fishes. I think it came down to the Roys have 36%, Caroline has 3%, the Ulster guy has 4% and whatever Logan's brother has adds up to almost 50% so all the other shareholders would have to accept the takeover bid. It wasn't the only way to avoid being taken over. It was just the quickest way to avoid it with the added benefit of safeguarding the company's future in a changing world and also feeding Logan's insatiable hunger for acquiring more traditional media outlets.
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I thought it was pretty clear that no one actually thought the Pierce takeover was a good business move for them, but just had to tag along for the ride to satiate Logan's thirst for power
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Greg is just a treat. And I can't wait to see the family finally band together.
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Escobarbarian posted:This episode was brutal, god drat Someone described him as looking simultaneously very old and very young, and this episode showed that off exactly. He was at once a haggard old man and a frightened child for that entire sequence. I'm shocked by how much sympathy I have for Kendall...this episode and the scene last week where he couldn't confess to Shiv were devastating. For some reason, whenever Greg is on-screen, all I can see is a tall, 20-something Morty Smith, who is now somehow a personal assistant at FOX News.
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Man, both of their parents are just giant pieces of poo poo. Both of them hosed over Kendall and it just felt brutal. Honestly, it seems like a miracle that the kids aren't even more hosed up with the exception of maybe Roman. The Roman and Logan scene was also super hard to watch.
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Tagichatn posted:Man, both of their parents are just giant pieces of poo poo. Both of them hosed over Kendall and it just felt brutal. Honestly, it seems like a miracle that the kids aren't even more hosed up with the exception of maybe Roman. The Roman and Logan scene was also super hard to watch. Yeah, the family dynamic is explained so well through the little details, and man, when Kendall's mom just swerved so loving hard with the tired bit, my heart broke all over again for Kendall.
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pnumoman posted:Yeah, the family dynamic is explained so well through the little details, and man, when Kendall's mom just swerved so loving hard with the tired bit, my heart broke all over again for Kendall. The complete lack of any sense of safety or security for Logan's kids is so crushing. Kendall has to do this brutal calculus to sort out who he can trust with anything, and even his own mother isn't a safe harbor. He couldn't tell Shiv because she's his competition before she's his sister, and his own mother clearly chose pragmatism and self-preservation over the risk of hearing something compromising. The especially hosed up thought I had was that, in her mind, she was helping him. Kendall clearly did something awful, and maybe she thinks she's protecting him by refusing him an outlet, limiting the number of conspirators and reinforcing his sense of isolation and shame to keep him silent. He'll be miserable, but whatever it is stays secret, which is what really matters. Watching this show, I keep thinking of that quote from the end of American Psycho: "but 'inside' doesn't matter." The repeated lesson to every character is that whatever their concerns or fears or wants or insecurities, the only thing that matters is their external value, the optics of the situation. Moral goodness or badness, personal misery or happiness, are totally meaningless abstractions. Kendall's hollowed out by guilt, Roman is filled with shame, even Greg is horrified by the lines he's routinely asked to cross, but all of that's inside, so who cares?
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I don't know if I've ever felt worse for a character than when Kendall was sitting by himself in that family's kitchen. Jeremy Strong knocked that out of the park purely with facial expressions.
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Xealot posted:He couldn't tell Shiv because she's his competition before she's his sister, and his own mother clearly chose pragmatism and self-preservation over the risk of hearing something compromising. I think I may have missed a scene that gave her more indication of what Kendall would have said to her, because I didn't really get that vibe. It came across a lot more as Caroline just outright refusing to do any emotional labour for her son.
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How do you think Naomi will weaponize Kendall's dick pics? She was quite clear how angry she was that the Waystrar tabloids humiliated her, I can only imagine what she's planning to return the favor. Also, please rename the thread to "Succession: Octopus Reach-a-Round"
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https://twitter.com/redditships/status/1176898802051158017?s=21
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Lmao Succession, but it’s a Halloween store that makes no money. It’s like a Christopher Guest movie. Also this is great: https://twitter.com/mcjesse/status/1176307988539199488?s=21
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Mameluke posted:I think I may have missed a scene that gave her more indication of what Kendall would have said to her, because I didn't really get that vibe. It came across a lot more as Caroline just outright refusing to do any emotional labour for her son. I don't think she knew anything, I'm just maybe giving her too much credit to read Kendall's body language and see that - whatever it is - he did something really hosed up. For a family that communicates so poorly and is so averse to emotional honesty, the way Kendall was acting probably raised a million red flags. Like, of all the poo poo he's done in the past, it seems like this is obviously worse. Refusing to do any emotional labor also makes sense. I just got a strong vibe that she suspected something was up, and made the choice to deny him an outlet. To keep herself out of it, but also to passive-aggressively convey that he needs to stop whining, get over it, and move on with his life.
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Your take is confirmed by the writer in the debrief of the episode. It was all self preservation.
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