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Civilized Fishbot posted:Was the WFP upset about AOC winning? I know that Crowley ran on their ticket against her in the general, but they asked him to step down from it so they could endorse her instead. I do not believe they endorsed her, and I can’t find a source saying they did.
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Where is the source? It says “the undersigned” but has no signatures. This reads like an open letter or a press release. Where did it come from? Seemingly a leak but I wouldn’t go flying it around just yet. The closest thing to the real deal is one of their pr guys going on twitter to suggest releasing vote totals is racism, but that’s about it.
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Yep, equitable housing will be an uphill battle after the general because of a judicial challenges and obstructionist state governments, the primary does not matter. We did it. We cracked the case, close this thread, close USPOL, close dadchat, close this entire forum and merge CSPAM into TFR. Good hustle, everyoen. I am furthermore in glorious awe of the "politican with the highest favorables and largest and deepest grassroots organization in america should step aside and let Gloria la Riva run on the democratic ticket" like hahahahaha there's no way you didn't have to hold your nose at your own bullshit typing that out.
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Ytlaya posted:It's been mentioned before how immensely ironic it is that the people who frequently accuse the left of being "nothing matters" posters are the same ones who are quickest to gleefully assert that nothing left-wing could ever pass Congress. It is a real head-scratcher.
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Sep 19, 2019 19:07
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Oh Snapple! posted:Cross posting. What a loving joke the WFP is . I guess they realized "We support Warren because <list of Bernie's policies> and also selfies" was not very convincing and are trying to shift the narrative away from how their leadership getting 50% of the vote obviously handed their endorsement to Warren.
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Sep 19, 2019 19:11
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Office Pig posted:Seemingly a leak but I wouldn’t go flying it around just yet. The closest thing to the real deal is one of their pr guys going on twitter to suggest releasing vote totals is racism, but that’s about it. They also had someone doing the "so there's a problem now that we have black leadership" schtick. This also conveniently popped up a little earlier: https://mobile.twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1174718357024780288
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Nate Silver's post-debate Dem Tier List is out Bernie is on the bubble to top tier, but Harris is firmly out of it.
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HootTheOwl posted:Nate Silver's post-debate Dem Tier List is out Nobody should still give a poo poo about Silver.
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Oh Snapple! posted:It was leaked, apparently. Certainly echoes some horseshit being circulated by WFP leadership. Who leaked it? Who published the leak? There's nothing about it on Google, and the only non-rando posting it on Twitter is Eoin Higgins, who describes it as a letter issued by the WFP. Where the heck did it actually come from? I'm not outright saying it's fake, but even leaks don't usually appear from nowhere like this.
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https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1174753640386633729 I love how there's a major divide on Diet Pepsi, of all things
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Main Paineframe posted:I'm not outright saying it's fake, but even leaks don't usually appear from nowhere like this. yeah it seems a bit too on the nose and engineered to produce outrage. Plus it's clearly a screenshot of a word document. Not that people don't use .docx to send out documents, it's just very rare, and very exploitable, because you can edit a word document to say anything with zero effort I'm extremely skeptical and assuming it's a fake until proven otherwise
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1174753640386633729 https://morningconsult.com/form/consumer-preferences-2020/ Is the thing he's refrencing, and in it Sanders supporters actually support banks more than Warren supporters, 11% to 3%.
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1174753640386633729 I. loving. Love this. Data junk food, omnomnomnomnom. I don’t know if there’s anything to be gleaned from this, except that Bernie supporters somewhat defy stereotypes more than Warren and Biden supporters. Although most things were about where you might’ve guessed. People sure love TV and movies, huh? It is slightly worrying that almost all brands were regarded strongly positively, considering they’re all at least a little evil. I like Diet Pepsi a lot but I swear I’m not a Biden supporter.
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1174753640386633729 "Man gently caress Diet Pepsi!" -Bernie Bros, apparently
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Mahoning posted:"Man gently caress Diet Pepsi!" accurate
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I’m waiting to hear from my friend who works for WFP whether or not that letter is true. If it is, it’s truly damning. I’ve already cancelled my membership regardless; I only signed up ‘cause of that friend anyway. Mahoning posted:"Man gently caress Diet Pepsi!" As an extremely dedicated Diet Coke gay, I approve this message.
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Main Paineframe posted:Who leaked it? Who published the leak? There's nothing about it on Google, and the only non-rando posting it on Twitter is Eoin Higgins, who describes it as a letter issued by the WFP. Where the heck did it actually come from? Eoin is a pretty good journalist, so he wouldn't be pulling it out of his rear end. It was probably an early draft, that got shot down when people realized what was gonna happen. The fact that that letter leaked, but the vote totals haven't, just makes me pretty convinced that leadership vote was 100% Warren, which means Bernie got ~70% of the membership to Warren's ~20%.
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joepinetree posted:Eoin is a pretty good journalist, so he wouldn't be pulling it out of his rear end. It was probably an early draft, that got shot down when people realized what was gonna happen. The fact that they released their vote totals for the last election a couple years ago is the biggest red flag. This entire charade is a microcosm of how bad the management class is across the country. If this is how they act at a solidly left leaning organization, then the rest of the country is hosed. I also wonder how much anti-Semitism is hurting Bernie. It’s weird how you see hot takes about Warren’s sex or Harris’s race affecting perception of them, but Bernie’s Jewishness seems to be forcefully ignored.
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For what little it’s worth, my friend said he doesn’t believe anyone on staff wrote it, and he doesn’t know who leaked it. Also for what it’s worth, I doubt very much he’ll want to speak on the record.
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Mellow Seas posted:I too am horrified by the fact that politicians are politicians. How big is the support for Warren in AOC's district? Can someone show me a map that outlines this? Because I don't think it is going to e very big.
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cillizza and enten had sanders at 7th in their power rankings before the campaign started. they had beto in 3rd.
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e; disregard. im old and slow
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eke out posted:the constitution, by default, only allows direct taxes if they're proportional - e.g., $x per person uniformly regardless of who you are, or a land tax of $x per acre applied uniformly nationwide. turns out this is really useless, so we passed the 16th amendment to make income taxable. nothing i am aware of at the moment allows federal taxation of property in a way where it could be selectively levied on property owners we don't like. if anything, doing that (via amending the constitution) would be a far more dramatic and sweeping change than anything suggested so far. A bunch of red states eventually accepted the expansion, so tbf that might be a good way to go on housing.
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Buttigieg just released his healthcare plan. It is literally called Medicare For All Who Want It. Like, that's not hyperbole. That is the actual name used on his actual healthcare page on his actual website as the actual name of his healthcare plan. Similarly, the slogan he uses to describe his plan is "We must ensure that everyone has an affordable option for health coverage that guarantees access to care when they need it". https://mobile.twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1174766091928842241 It's not good! I notice right away that his public option is such a complicated mess of tiers and opt-ins and eligibility requirements that it explicitly provides a side fund for helping to subsidize the debts of people who "fall through the cracks" and end up uninsured, not on the public option, and unable to pay the bills they've racked up.
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Judakel posted:How big is the support for Warren in AOC's district? Can someone show me a map that outlines this? Because I don't think it is going to e very big. That’s a pretty good point. Demographics would certainly suggest it’s very low. I’d also be interested in that data if anyone has it. (Seems unlikely.) E: I get your larger point: that if AOC were to endorse Warren it wouldn’t be so much about winning her district as much as higher political ambition. I’m sure that if she thought she could be Speaker or President she would believe she was doing it on behalf of the left; of course, that kind of thing is a very slippery slope. In any case the time her endorsement would be most effective hasn’t come yet, so I think it’s safe to say she hasn’t done anything wrong as of now. Mellow Seas fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Sep 19, 2019 |
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Her district went for Hillary in 2016 by about a 60/40 margin over Bernie. I don’t know how that translates (if at all) to Warren vs Bernie, but it’s the closest easy to find comparison.
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Mahoning posted:Her district went for Hillary in 2016 by about a 60/40 margin over Bernie. I don’t know how that translates (if at all) to Warren vs Bernie, but it’s the closest easy to find comparison. I would guess Biden is doing much, much better than Warren in terms of wrangling that Hillary support. But who knows.
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Main Paineframe posted:Buttigieg just released his healthcare plan. On a quick skim I don't think I hate it, but Medicaid For All* is better and simpler and you're correct that simplicity is itself an administrative virtue. * yes I'm still defending the stupid pedantic hill that Medicare For All isn't and shouldn't be actually Medicare for everybody and it annoys me that the misleading branding is probably the correct strategic choice 
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rko posted:I’m waiting to hear from my friend who works for WFP whether or not that letter is true. If it is, it’s truly damning. I’ve already cancelled my membership regardless; I only signed up ‘cause of that friend anyway. The letter is real, but the source is from elsewhere https://twitter.com/EoinHiggins_/status/1174776073608925184 The WFP did post an actual thing (on Medium, naturally), and buried within is this little nugget: quote:But the contention we’re seeing about “leadership” overturning the “membership” is fundamentally an argument that only some voices inside the WFP are legitimate; that only the online member vote should count, not the delegates serving on the WFP National Committee.
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Office Pig posted:The WFP did post an actual thing (on Medium, naturally), and buried within is this little nugget: Christ, just rename it the Oligarchical Families Party.
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Office Pig posted:The WFP did post an actual thing (on Medium, naturally), and buried within is this little nugget: lol this is so incredibly revealing.
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Yeah, it's as clear an admission of the split as you will ever get. "We're not going to show any numbers that might indicate that there was a split, but if there was a split anyways, it is completely legitimate and you are being antidemocratic if you don't think 50 people should be able to overturn the will of 100000 rank and file members."
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should even like a 60-40 split be enough for an organizational endorsement this early? I'd be hesitant if one I was involved in did, but maybe I'm just a coward fortunately, the local animal shelter hasn't endorsed a candidate yet 
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Who is this endorsement for? Like who is the person on the fence between these two who cares about the WFP endorsement and also didn't vote in their poll?
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HootTheOwl posted:Who is this endorsement for? Like who is the person on the fence between these two who cares about the WFP endorsement and also didn't vote in their poll? Ultimately? It's not for voters, it's for narrative building.
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Office Pig posted:The letter is real, but the source is from elsewhere Makes sense, a cursory google of some other leadership names is telling me that there aren't a ton who could lay claim to that minority identity claimed in the letter. Oh, okay. Equally plausible that they don't want to release results because it wasn't a poll of just their membership, and that split could be embarrassing. quote:Current WFP members and grassroots supporters will also receive 50% of the total vote share. A WFP member is anyone who pays dues of $10/month or $120 in the past year. A WFP supporter is anyone who has previously engaged with us and signed up to WFP's email or text list. You must be a current Working Families Party member or supporter as of Monday, September 2nd, 2019 to participate in this vote. All WFP supporters who are not dues-paying members had the opportunity to participate by signing up to affirming our values before September 6th. e: as near as I can tell, the 2015 Sanders endorsement was not a vote that included online supporter randos, and was an actual membership-only vote. Could be wrong though. eviltastic fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Sep 19, 2019 |
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