Milo and POTUS posted:Think of how much material they could save if they only used half a tie. Surrender to the Napoleonics, silk neckerchiefs and cravats. It is your destiny.
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WWI Royal Navy uniforms are pimp as hell and you will not convince me otherwise
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Sep 22, 2019 21:32
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MikeCrotch posted:WWI Royal Navy uniforms are pimp as hell and you will not convince me otherwise 
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Sep 22, 2019 21:48
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FrangibleCover posted:One hundred and thirty thousand shaft horsepower of steam turbine and they can't find enough spare steam to get the creases out of their trousers? More like being commanders of the biggest navy in history means you've reached the career point where you don't have to give a gently caress about it.
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Sep 22, 2019 22:31
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Phanatic posted:I think Hugo Boss is designing for Macy’s. wife and I had breakfast today at a hip downtown coffee spot and I no poo poo saw TWO hipsters wearing what I assume were new "high fashion" imitaiton Heer field jackets. I don't think they had any idea what it was they were actually wearing but for the history nerd in the room it was kind of...jarring.
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Sep 22, 2019 22:32
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FrangibleCover posted:One hundred and thirty thousand shaft horsepower of steam turbine and they can't find enough spare steam to get the creases out of their trousers? They were busy sinking anything and everything with a Japanese flag on it.
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Sep 22, 2019 22:53
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darthbob88 posted:With the double-breasted jacket? I won't bother. ...does the pipe come with the uniform, or do you buy it separate?
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Sep 22, 2019 22:53
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MrYenko posted:They were busy sinking anything and everything with a Japanese flag on it.
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Sep 22, 2019 22:58
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BalloonFish posted:In the 12th century there was a royal decree that roads had to be wide enough for 'two carts to pass or six armed knights to ride abreast', but by the time Daniel Defoe toured Britain in the 18th century the Great North Road was reported to be hundreds of yards wide, with individual tracks and threads passing either side of trees, hedgerows, farm buildings, running through different fields or even on entirely opposite sides of villages, only heading in roughly the same direction and coming together where they joined other roads, crossed rivers at fords or bridges and passed through market towns. In the winter a particular section of 'road' (really just an unmade track stamped out of the ground) would become unpassable and horses, carts and people would keep getting stuck in the mud. Travellers would then just go around the new obstacle and if that meant detouring by a few dozen yards to find a bit of higher ,drier ground or a bit of existing track that hadn't been quite so ruined, then so be it. If you were wealthy and had to make a long-distance road journey you'd often send one of your servants, or employ a specialist guide, to travel a day or so ahead of you to find out where the best parts of the route ran and leave notes at the inns along the way - and all this to navigate what was acknowledged at the time as a single 'road'.
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Sep 22, 2019 23:02
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SlothfulCobra posted:The dangly one. That was always the part that was most confusing to me with Fullmetal Alchemist uniforms, but I know I've seen them on other fancy uniforms too. It's a neat bit of frill for a dress uniform, but I assume there was some reason at some point? Oh, that's purely decorative. It looks like a type of aiguillette maybe? They generally indicate some kind of significance as far as being an aide or something, although I'm hazy on the details. I also know there are a few foreign unit awards from way back when that incorporate stuff like that. fake edit: quick googling shows that the medal type thing is a distinctly european phenominon, although US units have been awarded them and incorporated them into their uniforms. In that case it's called a fourragère. real edit: Looks like that's the Belgian fourragère of 1940, which was created to honor military formations that distinguished themselves in WW2. The medal bit at the top is pretty distinctive. I dunno if it's still a part of the uniform of those units or if this is some WW2 throwback thing. I think one of the USMC divisions still wear one of theirs, so who knows.
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Sep 23, 2019 00:17
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If you’re in the fifth or sixth marine regiment you can wear the fourrage, not sure about army units.
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Sep 23, 2019 00:24
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OK, looking more closely at the photo she's wearing the shoulder patch of the 2nd Cav. They served in basically every war we've ever fought and did a ton of ETO poo poo in WW2. Including this:quote:One of the most remarkable missions the 2nd MCG performed was at the end of the war. On 28 April, A Troop, 42nd Squadron seized the town of Hostouň in Czechoslovakia in order to liberate Allied POWs. They discovered 300 POWs, as well as 670 horses, including the famous Lipizzaner stallions. General Patton, a cavalryman himself, ordered their rescue when he learned that the Lipizzaners would fall under Soviet control. On 12 May, four days after VE Day, "Operation Cowboy" was launched to rescue the fine horses, and all were successfully herded or ridden back to American lines. This was dramatized by Walt Disney in the 1963 movie, Miracle of the White Stallions.[7] I can't find a good list of the units awarded that Belgian fourragère, but the 2nd Cav came ashore right after DDay and served in some of the heaviest poo poo that the Third Army did, so at this point I'm assuming they got it. Have no idea if it's a thing they still wear or if that's tacking on a WW2 medal for the uniform cosplay. The military doesn't seem to like tacking on bullshit medals for photo ops, though, so I'm guessing it's probably one of those things that's still technically on the books. Dunno, that's the limit of what I'm able to dig up right now.
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Sep 23, 2019 00:27
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Cyrano4747 posted:photo ops If they're getting their photo taken for some promo thing, maybe more than one in three of them could have straightened their buckle?
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Sep 23, 2019 00:30
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Cyrano4747 posted:OK, looking more closely at the photo she's wearing the shoulder patch of the 2nd Cav. They served in basically every war we've ever fought and did a ton of ETO poo poo in WW2. Including this: 2nd Cavalry Regiment. Are you guys looking at her Schützenschnur? American soldiers sometimes participate in the German marksmanship tests and enlisted soldiers are allowed to wear the lanyard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Armed_Forces_Badge_of_Marksmanship I participated in Kosovo one year, I remember the German Sergeant-Major describing the MG3 as "grandfather's machinegun."
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Sep 23, 2019 01:03
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SimonCat posted:2nd Cavalry Regiment.  
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Sep 23, 2019 01:19
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chitoryu12 posted:As for costumes, try to count all the used items on this Death Trooper:  Trooper armor was so heavy they had to be winched up onto the tauntans by their padawans!
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Sep 23, 2019 01:34
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Is the 1959 an acceptance stamp or did they accidentally put the wrong model number on?
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Sep 23, 2019 01:41
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MikeCrotch posted:WWI Royal Navy uniforms are pimp as hell and you will not convince me otherwise What about the rig of the Royal Naval Division, which were an unholy mish-mash of navy and army?  style and cut of the army tunic, but in RMLI-colour serge, with RN insignia on the sleeves and army insignia on the shoulders (two stripes on the sleeve but three pips on the shoulders because RN lieutenants are equivalent to army captains), a mix of army and navy-issue webbing, belts and bandoliers, and naval caps. The ratings got to wear sailor's hats as they fought their way across Gallipolli, which must have been nice for them...
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Sep 23, 2019 01:46
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SimonCat posted:2nd Cavalry Regiment. Whelp there goes my lazy google research. Looks like that's it. edit: in my defense the wikipedia picture of the belgian thing has the German thing on it also, and doesn't specify which is which.  
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Sep 23, 2019 02:13
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SimonCat posted:Is the 1959 an acceptance stamp or did they accidentally put the wrong model number on? The MG42 continued production after WWII and saw several upgrades, including the MG42/58 and the MG42/59. The MG3 is an MG42/59 with a new AA sight. I'm guessing that's an MG42/59 converted to an MG3, based on the year of production. Some WWII-vintage MG42s were also rechambered to 7.62 NATO and put through the upgrades, so occasionally you can find MG3s with discretely filed away Waffenamt markings.
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The talk on tank production and industrial organization given by Jonathan Parshall during this conference from 2013 has long been one of my favorite videos on youtube and one I really like to link to people who might have an interest in it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6xLMUifbxQ&t=1580s Here's a link if for some reason you've been around this thread and haven't seen it (guessing that's few enough people, because I think I got a link to this video from this thread and it's come up a number of times). I recently decided I'd like to see if there were some other interesting things brought up in it, as I think most or all of it is on youtube. I kind of like lectures in any case. One thing that was pretty interesting was one that was a brief overview of the Soviet civilian homefront and how incredibly dire things where and how little resources they actually had to work with in contrast to the common thought of the Soviet Union having an inexhaustible reserve of manpower and resources, in fact they lost some one third or more of their citizens citizens when Germany occupied much of the the western regions and while industry, through massive efforts managed to rebuild, recover and expand, agriculture pretty much collapsed and did not fully recover (and due to collectivization and purges before the war was already in a pretty bad state) either during or after the war, and during the war pretty much the entire population was starving and what little was produced mostly went to the army. Lend-Lease spam was kind of a lifesaver in that case, as it allowed a little bit more of the meager agricultural surplus to go towards the starving civilian population (still it seems that even throughout 1942 at least, substantially more Lend-Lease food went to Great Britain than to the Soviet Union). The collapse of agriculture during the war is pretty interesting as it sheds some light the post-war situation where one of Khruschev's great failures that contributed to his downfall was the overall failure of his agricultural policies and paved the way for the situation that eventually developed where the Soviet Union grew ever more dependent on US grain imports. However my favorite talk (well, other than the tank production one) that I found by watching the conference videos ended up being one that perhaps didn't teach me as much new stuff, but a talk given by a former US army colonel (not in WWII) about the fighting in Italy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z9thhzjkk0&t=684s Mostly I really liked it due to liking the style of the speaker, he's pretty clear and concise and also dryly amusing. Though mostly the way he refers to the Germans was great to hear, talking about Kesselring, he says he was perhaps one of the best generals of the war, and also a war criminal who was responsible for the deliberate massacres of thousands of Italian civilians among others. And upon getting to a mention of Rommel, he says he's not going to show a picture of him because he's tired of him and that he was a little poo poo who cheated on his taxes. Not the most enlightening of talks by any means, but, in my opinion a really enjoyable one. Thought I'd share it.
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Cyrano4747 posted:edit: in my defense the wikipedia picture of the belgian thing has the German thing on it also, and doesn't specify which is which. The white cord is the German shooting award. And I think the Army pinks-and-greens look drat good.
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Sep 23, 2019 03:35
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StandardVC10 posted:...does the pipe come with the uniform, or do you buy it separate? That's called a boat pipe and it's 600 bucks.
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Sep 23, 2019 06:42
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Milo and POTUS posted:That's called a boat pipe and it's 600 bucks.  Blow me down!
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LatwPIAT posted:Some WWII-vintage MG42s were also rechambered to 7.62 NATO and put through the upgrades, so occasionally you can find MG3s with discretely filed away Waffenamt markings. My favorite is the surplus K98s that ended up in Israeli service, a lot of the time they didn’t even bother to erase the earlier markings but just stamped a Star of David right next to the Waffenamt eagle: 
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I remember reading in one of the old iterations of this thread a wargaming story during the cold war where the US ran a wargaming sim and somebody unexpectedly implemented Red armor tactics on Blufor (I think) to break through and totally demolished the other side with a crushing victory. It was a really amusing story. Does this ring any bells for folks?
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Sep 23, 2019 10:50
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Is it this by John Curry?
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Arquinsiel posted:Is it this by John Curry? Pretty sure that's it. You rock. That was so fast. I got almost every detail wrong, but you still did it. Faffel fucked around with this message at 10:57 on Sep 23, 2019 |
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Sep 23, 2019 10:55
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The broad strokes rang the right bell, I just had to remember if it was him or Henry Hyde that wrote it TBH.
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SlothfulCobra posted:The dangly one. That was always the part that was most confusing to me with Fullmetal Alchemist uniforms, but I know I've seen them on other fancy uniforms too. It's a neat bit of frill for a dress uniform, but I assume there was some reason at some point? The story I've heard about about them was that Napoleon was having a meeting with his generals and marshals and needed a pen to draw on a map. No one present had a pen, Napoleon got angry, and they had to call on scribes to bring one. When Napoleon had finished, he fastened the pen with a string to a general's epaulette so that he'd have one in the future. And that evolved into the flashy dangly things.
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That's just US Army trying to remind people of the time they were the good guys and/or won a war! Randarkman posted:(Eastern bloc countries came into posession of alot of captured German materiel following WWII and though much of it remained in use among police and reserve forces into the 60s it was eventually all taken out of use, and much ended up being dumped off on various Third World countries, this is a big part of the reason why you occasionally spot German WW2 equipment in Middle Eastern conflict, it's not just from the war itself but because of this post-war aid of sorts given by Eastern Bloc countries). I have a related post to make! This weekend, I downloaded the Call of Duty: Modern Warfare (as opposed to Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare) open MP beta. Among the guns (the game is supposed to be set present date-ish) you could find an MG34 and Kar98k. I went to Twitter to bitch about the former, as the latter is at least a bit understandable. Then I did some googling and found out that there were more MG34s produced than MG42s and that some invariable ended up in Syria (a part I don't remember from reading the WWII Weapons In Modern Wars blog post about Syrian shipments). So I guess this implies that the SP will be taking place, at least for a bit, in not!Syria. Anyways, the Wiki article for MG34 seemed to boost the MG a lot, which eventually lead to wonder what lead to MG34 being such a right step towards the true LMG direction? Why didn't the Americans develop one and why did the Brits make the Bren gun be fed from what, 25 round mags (instead of drum or belt). How come the Soviets nearly got it right with the DP? Come to think of it, what was it with top feeding LMGs?
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JcDent posted:That's just US Army trying to remind people of the time they were the good guys and/or won a war!
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JcDent posted:Why didn't the Americans develop one... The M1919A6 started fielding in 1943, but it was a heavy bitch compared to the MG34 and MG42. It was replaced in the squad light machine gun role by the M60, starting in 1957.
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ChubbyChecker posted:The story I've heard about about them was that Napoleon was having a meeting with his generals and marshals and needed a pen to draw on a map. No one present had a pen, Napoleon got angry, and they had to call on scribes to bring one. When Napoleon had finished, he fastened the pen with a string to a general's epaulette so that he'd have one in the future. And that evolved into the flashy dangly things. Napoleon died before the invention of the fountain pen, which makes this story suspect. Where did he put the inkwell? The Russians used a pencil.
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Belts have a number of issues. Early on you have the issue of textile ammo belts swelling up if wet and gripping the rounds too tightly, causing the gun to fail to feed. Belts can also pick up dirt and carry it into the gun, causing jamming, or become damaged with mishandling. With the Bren also the idea is that ammo is shared over the squad, and so it's easier for each squad member to carry a mag or two than a box with a belt. If you have multiple guns covering each other, the need to swap a magazine is not so big an issue. The Brits also wanted to do walking fire, and magazines are a lot less cumbersome for that. Top magazines also have a number of advantages. It means your feed is assisted by gravity, which makes things more reliable. Physically you have more room for a larger magazine if you are going to use the gun from a prone position. Edit: Also if something goes wrong with a magazine you can just switch to a new one, with a belt it's a much more laborious process. Fangz fucked around with this message at 12:29 on Sep 23, 2019 |
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Platystemon posted:Napoleon died before the invention of the fountain pen, which makes this story suspect. Where did he put the inkwell? If the story is accurate I would assume that a pencil or a grease pencil is what Napoleon was in fact using.
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Platystemon posted:Napoleon died before the invention of the fountain pen, which makes this story suspect. Where did he put the inkwell? I'm going to pull a Herodotus and say that that's how I heard it told / or what I read in some former thread (can't remember which it was). 
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MikeCrotch posted:WWI Royal Navy uniforms are pimp as hell and you will not convince me otherwise   Urge... to wargame... rising...
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spiky butthole posted:If you watch gun jesuses video on this particular weapon and on others like the Czech bZ? The bren was based on lmgs were used in teams, the tip loading style made it easy for the assistant gunner to swap mags, service the gun and change barrels much more simply. Just because it looks goofy, and you are playing awful videogames which are divorced from how a weapon system was designed doesn't mean it's a bad weapon. There is no Bren in CoD MW. Fangz posted:Belts have a number of issues. Early on you have the issue of textile ammo belts swelling up if wet and gripping the rounds too tightly, causing the gun to fail to feed. Belts can also pick up dirt and carry it into the gun, causing jamming, or become damaged with mishandling. With the Bren also the idea is that ammo is shared over the squad, and so it's easier for each squad member to carry a mag or two than a box with a belt. If you have multiple guns covering each other, the need to swap a magazine is not so big an issue. The Brits also wanted to do walking fire, and magazines are a lot less cumbersome for that. So what made the top-loaders disappear? Did ammo drums/boxes and belts become more reliable? Doesn't seem like anyone is too worried about prone issues these days. Why did the Soviets go with a disc mag instead of top down like Bren (and its ancestors)? MrYenko posted:The M1919A6 started fielding in 1943, but it was a heavy bitch compared to the MG34 and MG42. I had the impression they weren't handed to each and every squad, no?
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JcDent posted:Anyways, the Wiki article for MG34 seemed to boost the MG a lot, which eventually lead to wonder what lead to MG34 being such a right step towards the true LMG direction? Why didn't the Americans develop one and why did the Brits make the Bren gun be fed from what, 25 round mags (instead of drum or belt). How come the Soviets nearly got it right with the DP? The thing that made the MG34 so successful as a design was precisely that it wasn't designed solely for the LMG role. It was based on a "universal machine gun" concept which called for a single machine gun to serve as both a light, squad-level machine gun and as a tripod-mounted medium/heavy machine gun. This meant putting a very powerful weapon in the hands of every squad (which suited the German army just fine). A lot of the features necessary to allow the MG34 to function as a tripod-mounted heavy machine gun turned out to be very convenient in the squad machine gun role, mostly the ability to lay down a lot of fire with few interruptions. At the same time, the features necessary to make it work as an LMG - that it was light and could move at the same speed a squad could - meant that the firepower it had was more mobile than it would have been in a pure MMG role. Also, the Americans did develop one. The M1919A6 was a lightened version of the M1919A4 medium machine gun that added a shoulder stock and a bipod in place of the typical tripod. It was heavier than the MG34 and didn't have the same, fearsome instantaneous rate of fire, but it gave the American squads that were equipped with it a similar mix of firepower and mobility that the MG34 and MG42 provided. (The US Army also had a slightly different solution to the same problem: put an M1917A1 heavy machine gun on a mechanized squad's halftrack and let the squad dismount it when necessary.)
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