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Tibalt posted:Even if you do believe him, it's still a fully deserved DQ. If a series of wacky hijinks resulted in every land in my deck being smeared in marmalade, I still have a deck with marked cards. You're right, James Bond is a great card sharp.
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Tibalt posted:Even if you do believe him, it's still a fully deserved DQ. If a series of wacky hijinks resulted in every land in my deck being smeared in marmalade, I still have a deck with marked cards. Paddington 3?
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A big flaming stink posted:yeah, like i could see maybe each friend grabbing a stack of cards to sleeve, but for one person to sleeve ONLY the lands rather than the lands and some of the spells is a step too far in my opinion I mean sometimes people lay out the deck in piles, and then don't shuffle the sleeves or the deck and just sleeve from that laid out deck in order, so playsets of cards get put into sequential sleeves which may have a run of markings, and maybe their lands are in piles under their spells and get sleeved last. With two people sleeving that's not a reasonable option anymore.
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For people talking about rogue decks, the main obstacle is the fact that a lot of top players stream their testing and there is way more info out there than there used to be. You still get decks coming out of nowhere like Kethis combo, but I don't think you'll ever see a deck like Dragonstorm take over a single tournament then disappear again. Open decklists don't really help in that situation anyway, since the main advantage of them is in mulligan decisions and cards that name other cards.
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MikeCrotch posted:For people talking about rogue decks, the main obstacle is the fact that a lot of top players stream their testing and there is way more info out there than there used to be. You still get decks coming out of nowhere like Kethis combo, but I don't think you'll ever see a deck like Dragonstorm take over a single tournament then disappear again. Open decklists don't really help in that situation anyway, since the main advantage of them is in mulligan decisions and cards that name other cards. It's less about entire rogue decks, but individual cards that they don't want people to know about. There was one Pro Tour where a team had Deflecting Palm in their deck and didn't want to do deck tech interviews because then people would play around it. Then again, open lists lead to LSV doing a deck tech while he was the only member of his team playing a single Settle the Wreckage in his sideboard, so that people would think that the entire team was playing with it. And that gave us one of the greatest PT moments of all time.
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Lone Goat posted:It's less about entire rogue decks, but individual cards that they don't want people to know about. There was one Pro Tour where a team had Deflecting Palm in their deck and didn't want to do deck tech interviews because then people would play around it. link it motherfucker
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A big flaming stink posted:link it motherfucker https://clips.twitch.tv/RelentlessDeliciousScallionCoolStoryBro e: Not much to do with the story though.
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I love the fact he nearly drops the settle as well I think my favourite point is when he separates out three plains and a Legions Landing while pretending to get a vampire token
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TheDemon posted:https://clips.twitch.tv/RelentlessDeliciousScallionCoolStoryBro if decklists weren't open he wouldn't have the Settle in the sideboard, it's an integral part of the story
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Worth pointing out that open deck lists are a net negative for control decks, because in the dark you mull because a hand is too slow FAR more often than you mull because your hand has too much removal.
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Ultima66 posted:Worth pointing out that open deck lists are a net negative for control decks, because in the dark you mull because a hand is too slow FAR more often than you mull because your hand has too much removal. Frankly, it is my dream to take my R+4 to a compeitive event and have an opponent call a judge on me when I drop Koth game 1.
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Sep 23, 2019 04:12
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It's pretty hard to overstate how much I hate hate hate mechanically unique cards not found in boosters. This brawl deck poo poo is a travesty
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they're going to be in nondraft boosters I thought
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Lmao that they will put shocks in those but not the commander decks that have crept up to what like 40 bucks retail?
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flatluigi posted:they're going to be in nondraft boosters I thought 
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sit on my Facebook posted:It's pretty hard to overstate how much I hate hate hate mechanically unique cards not found in boosters. This brawl deck poo poo is a travesty It's funny when that Brawl Signet is the most expensive card in the set.
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Owlbear Camus posted:Lmao that they will put shocks in those but not the commander decks that have crept up to what like 40 bucks retail? It’s the first year of the product, they will stuff it with value and probably under print to increase demand for future installments. If successful, they will carefully ratchet down the value next year.
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Sep 23, 2019 11:32
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salt shakeup posted:Yeah it's not hard to get this right You guys remember in the 90's how the comic book bubble was bursting and they tried throwing everything but the kitchen sink at the problem in terms of gimmicks? Die cut covers, holofoil covers, variant covers, mylar bag pack ins? Definitely need to get around to divesting from paper magic except for a couple commander decks.
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Sep 23, 2019 12:28
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Hasbro’s financials are public and unless they’re lying to investors (always possible, I guess, though this would be a pretty pointless lie) Magic has been running incredibly hot for the last few quarters. Certainly at the time ELD was in development they were doing very, very well, with little sign that that would change anytime soon.
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Sep 23, 2019 12:45
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wasn't there some kind of theory that magic was getting run into the ground to make up for the rest of hasbro underperforming? sure seems like it with the way they're trying to extract money from people recently.
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worst case scenario wizards would probably get bought by someone else if hasbro went under
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the simplest explanation is: -WOTC sees what other companies are doing with ultra premium cards and decides not to leave money on the table; prints zendikar expeditions -expeditions are popular and buoy sales of a terrible set so they make kaladesh inventions, also well-liked -lets do something special for amonkhet too -oh poo poo people hate these. time to retool (something like this was planned for ixalan and scrapped, evidenced by e.g. the presence of Scapeshift with ixalan themed art in M19) ELD would be in design around this time They’re constantly testing and tuning their various premium products. Witness a million Masters sets in a row, then the end of Masters; witness the short sad life of mythic editions.
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dragon enthusiast posted:wasn't there some kind of theory that magic was getting run into the ground to make up for the rest of hasbro underperforming? sure seems like it with the way they're trying to extract money from people recently. that theory is exactly what you'd expect someone to come up with after they complained magic is obviously dying and were told it wasn't in the slightest
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Sep 23, 2019 13:31
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Removing the public banned list is a bad idea for a lot of reasons. Dumb
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Wizards/Hasbro probably deserves to take it on the nose for some of the more blatant cash grabs they've done, but so far there's no evidence that they are, and there's no telling if people will eventually get fed up or if squeezing consumers more and more will just keep increasing their profit margins. I think everyone's gut feeling is that people will fall back to Arena when paper gets too expensive, but so far paper's doing better since Arena was introduced, and they've still been pretty stingy with introducing new formats to Arena, so who knows.
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Is there any evidence that Magic is doing well now because they've just done a bunch of good sets in a row? I'd want to see numbers now vs. BFZ/SOI/Kaladesh block when standard was just a mess.
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I assumed Arena was mostly responsible.
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Retromancer posted:Is there any evidence that Magic is doing well now because they've just done a bunch of good sets in a row? I'd want to see numbers now vs. BFZ/SOI/Kaladesh block when standard was just a mess. This is from Maro's blog a while back: https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/187588609508/is-magic-currently-the-most-popular-its-ever quote:roguejedi6 asked: Is Magic currently the most popular it's ever been?
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Retromancer posted:Is there any evidence that Magic is doing well now because they've just done a bunch of good sets in a row? I'd want to see numbers now vs. BFZ/SOI/Kaladesh block when standard was just a mess. The Hasbro quarterly earning reports over the past few years have shown that Magic was doing well and Arena has apparently outperformed expectations as well as giving paper sales a bump. Someone linked to them in the old thread but I'm sure you could find it elsewhere online pretty easily.
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dragon enthusiast posted:wasn't there some kind of theory that magic was getting run into the ground to make up for the rest of hasbro underperforming? sure seems like it with the way they're trying to extract money from people recently. dumb theory: corporate execs are going to try to extract as much money from a hot IP like magic as they can regardless of how the rest of the company is doing if they were doing something that was clearly cannibalizing the future for present income then you might start wondering if they were desperate for cash flow, but the stuff they're doing is not that. evilweasel fucked around with this message at 15:08 on Sep 23, 2019 |
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Yeah the fact that magic is the hot ip is irrelevant to those higher up in hasbro's corporate structure. They would do this same poo poo to candyland or scented dildos if that was the last thing keeping the company afloat.
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Hasbro's big goal right now has nothing to do with it's current assets and has everything to do with diversifying into mass media
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AnEdgelord posted:Yeah the fact that magic is the hot ip is irrelevant to those higher up in hasbro's corporate structure. They would do this same poo poo to candyland or scented dildos if that was the last thing keeping the company afloat. I would buy more magic if it came with scented dildos. Theory holds up.
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The first product you will see if WotC are really running the brand to the ground in the name of short term profits would be a non-tournament legal printing of something like a powered cube. When you see new paper duals and power, regardless of tournament legality, that's the first sign they're struggling.
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Chill la Chill posted:I would buy more magic if it came with scented dildos. Theory holds up. Rod of Ruin indeed
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mehall posted:The first product you will see if WotC are really running the brand to the ground in the name of short term profits would be a non-tournament legal printing of something like a powered cube. yeah there are definitely things they would be doing if they were eating their seed corn and “printing alt-art versions of cards and selling them for more money” ain’t it
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Hellsau posted:It's funny when that Brawl Signet is the most expensive card in the set. I am still eager to find out if these precons aren't print to demand, because shorting your brawl support would be the funniest loving ending to the saga of brawl.
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Tbqh i'd buy the gently caress out of a gold bordered cube precon.
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I think the legendary Merfolk is going to get real pricy when people realize how good she is with Jeskai Ascendancy and that her fail state is still a 1 mana artifact Dark Confidant in the right deck
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