Pilz posted:

You are, to my mind, 100% correct. The only thing I'd add is a somewhat disappointing reminder that most people are like this. Seriously. There's a reason every cultural group has their own idea of outsiders who they work hard to keep out. Anime fans have 'normies' (or real lifers in japan). Pickup artists talk about betas or white knights. Racists talk about immigrants, poor people talk about 'the elite', the elite talks about other elite or poor people. And everyday normal people have people with weird interests. Look at any time a certification group talks about revising criteria to remove measures that are unpleasant and might not be that effective in ensuring quality - there's a ton of people who have already achieved certification who demand it be kept the same because 'if I had to suffer through it, so should the people who come after me!'. The people who actually go "Oh gee I should improve myself to make dealing with me better for the people around me" of their own accord might not be one in a million but they aren't the norm.

This isn't to say that Star Citizens aren't doing some incredible mental gymnastics worthy of mockery to justify their decisions. It's just that I think you could take your average person, put them in a shitizen's shoes, and they'll behave exactly the same up to a point. Of course over time a lot of shitizens have seen the light and gotten out so now we're slowly left with a higher and higher concentration of superfans.

Rotten Red Rod posted:

I can't parse loving anything in that Twitter thread

Beexoffel posted:

I was looking for his posts as well and surprised he wasn't there. I thought that was the most remarkable about the article.

Agony Aunt posted:

Oh dear... ED in dev for 30 years. So funny. So they started work on ED before FD was even formed and between developing the original Elite and Frontier.

Wow, that's quite an achievement!

Or in other words, they started development on Elite 4 before Elite 2 was event started.

I wonder if DeathsMessenger even... thinks.

Enchanted Hat posted:

I will totally hand it to the Star Citizen fans - Start Citizen has come a lot farther than I expected. It's implemented ship renting, it's got some planet surface simulation gameplay, and perhaps most impressively CIG hasn't run out of money.

I don't think Star Citizen will ever become a game that I'll want to play because of its frankly ridiculous game design decisions, but I'm genuinely impressed that they're still around.

Rotten Red Rod posted:

How? Their view numbers are both in the 10k range for most of their videos, and Rexzilla doesn't even make more than one video some weeks. There's no way they're making enough money based on that.

Rexzilla clearly has the Redbull sponsorship, for what that's worth, but if they're supporting themselves totally off views... Someone's paying them other than Youtube and Twitch.

Bumble He posted:

yes absolutely but this game was always measured against its ambition and that was huge. they were never humble over at cloud emporium.
it was announced as the game that blows everything else out of the water.

Kikas posted:

I wonder if the way the ship rolls to the side on approach is related to the fact that everything is really tiny. If it's small and the engine dampening it's based off distance to the surface, it's easy to assume that it is gonna round up the distance from the planet wrong and trigger in wrong places. It seems to work as intended, just in the wrong place.

trucutru posted:

What if you're an anime fan PUA furry gay gamer? (I mean outside Sonicfox)

Mirificus posted:

https://twitter.com/humanevil51/status/1176053743365869568

Scruffpuff posted:

Ultimately it doesn't matter if Elite was in development for 200 years. It's a game, it came out. Star Citizen is poo poo, it will always be poo poo, whether it took 10 years to make or 10 minutes or 10 centuries. I'm not sure I understand the zero-sum approach here. Elite is not Star Citizen. Elite was developed by game developers. Star Citizen is failing to be developed by a team of green barely-game developers headed by a guy who, sadly, descended into a career fraud. Comparing Star Citizen to any legitimate game is disingenuous on the face of it. The poster's intent isn't to compare development times; the intent is to get people accustomed to hearing Elite and Star Citizen being compared to each other to imply they are contemporaries.

They are not. It's just one more way Star Citizen keeps trying to rub elbows with real games hoping some of that legitimacy rubs off on them.

Scruffpuff posted:

This is what makes their failure so delicious and nutritious. Chris Roberts insulted every publisher, developer, and game out there, talked up his game to impossible levels, then made something so bad that to this day, despite 8 years of evidence and having personally experienced it, I still can't really believe it. It's the best karma blowback I have ever seen, and the explosion taking insufferable cultist pricks with it is just icing.

Dementropy posted:

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Hav posted:

That makes him seem more credible.

This is a collaboration that will blow our collective socks off when they drop this thermonuclear truth bomb. Bootcha will be running scared.

Edit: wow, he’s shilling hard for Starpoint Gemini 3.

Dementropy posted:

Shumagorath posted:

You can probably explain half of the strange bugs in physics and animation with numerical stability. Everything is tiny and the engine only keeps track of space to a certain precision, so if you hit some numerical overflow/underflow things will go to zero / infinity / NaN in an instant and trash the affected ship or model bones. Those kinds of bugs are also really difficult to trace and fix, but since Crytek and all of their customers use the tools at the scales they were intended for they likely don't come up often enough to warrant fixing, or fixing negatively impacts performance.

I say "half" because with the way this project is being managed people will be creating lots of new bugs completely on their own.

SoftNum posted:

They really need to be careful how they position this. Does development start when the kickstarter ends? Or does it start when it's a twinkle in somoene's eyes.

E:D KS waas 2012, release2014. THey get "17 years" because they started "working on it" after Elite 3 was done in like '97....

Buuut Freelancer was released in 2003. and they talked about a sequel..... so therefore SC has been in development for 16 years?


ok.

chaosapiant posted:

According to Death Smessenger there, Elite was in production for 30+ years. What. The. gently caress?

Bootcha posted:

Aaaaaaaaabout that... if we're going by first mention.



1994.

Bootcha posted:

Aaaaaaaaabout that... if we're going by first mention.



1994.

Zaphod42 posted:

"The look and quality of, say, Bladerunner"

I love how Roberts has no ideas of his own but just blatantly copies existing things.

"All sorts of live-action characters!" haha

Sarsapariller posted:

WHO'S THAT POKEMON



spoiler: It is Crobbor, the vaporware pokemon!

Spatial posted:

A little while ago they had a sales event exclusively for people who have spent over 1000 dollars. They pitched them a minelayer ship costing nearly 700 dollars. Based on the sales chart on CIG's website in combination with the fact it was exclusively offered to those people at first, someone pointed out that almost every single one of the attendees must have bought the ship.

That whale milk isn't going to run dry for some time

Zaphod42 posted:

"The look and quality of, say, Bladerunner"

I love how Roberts has no ideas of his own but just blatantly copies existing things.

"All sorts of live-action characters!" haha

Bootcha posted:

Aaaaaaaaabout that... if we're going by first mention.



1994.

Sarsapariller posted:

WHO'S THAT POKEMON



spoiler: It is Crobbor, the vaporware pokemon!

posted:

posted:

I can’t wait for today’s reveal of absolutely no new information followed by 50 poorly photoshopped jokes.

Followed by 2 years of absolutely no information about the ship and when it will be released. Another ship added to the BMM pile collecting dust

posted:

People are annoyed that it's been dragged out for so long. It's not even a cool or fun teaser either. Just a picture being slowly revealed.

posted:

The marketing is painful. Y'all could've provided some sort of information or a story or something - the way you've done it has killed any interest in the actual ship.

I don't even care what the ship is at this point; I'm more interested in seeing the inevitable "sorry for the poo poo marketing" comment from Jared.

Sanya Juutilainen posted:

When stuff like this gets talked I always remember hilarious bug that Elite has in one of its betas where you could stack engineering effects over and over and they would multiply, spiraling out of control quickly. Some players of course abused this and got to speeds like thousands of km per second in normal space (where you can fly like 1000 m/s tops, usually).

What did it break? Well, physics-wise nothing (I imagine you could clip through small objects easier because of frame accuracy and you would also not trigger instancing) - you could just fly around the system as if you entered supercruise. Of course once you swerved you got too many Gs on you and blacked out, which is something that doesn't really happen in Elite normally. But still, it really surprised me at the time that there was no crash, no overflow... just "wooosh" and off you were, with planets passing you by appropriately.

Bootcha posted:

Aaaaaaaaabout that... if we're going by first mention.



1994.

Dapper_Swindler posted:

yeah. i have noticed that. while yeah nothing is original really. he reminds me alot of Ernest Cline but with more space ship focused ideas.

Zaphod42 posted:

A lot of star wars is WW2 in space.

Zaphod42 posted:

Personally I like Starcraft where SC is cowboys in space and Brood War is red october in space. (we don't talk about SC2)

Beet Wagon posted:

Man, the original SC/BW had such a cool atmosphere. I replay the originals once every couple years and it's surprising how much it still holds up even outside of my insane nostalgia. Can't believe they set that all aside for "Every race has a Space Jesus" poo poo in the sequel(s)

Zaphod42 posted:

~ METZEN ~

I am seriously still angry (if you can't tell from my last post) about the SC2 campaign.

SC's world and atmosphere were really good. It was a proper war drama. All the factions did bad poo poo, all the factions had flaws and villains, people loving died, and it was exciting and believable.

Then SC2 is just like a goddamn high school soap opera plot.

Zaphod42 posted:

A lot of star wars is WW2 in space, but they at least changed a lot of things that obviously have to be changed.

Roberts though, with his Wing Commander script, proves that he literally just thinks of existing WW2 plots and drops them wholesale into space with zero consideration for how space will impact war or military.

Gotta push the ship off the space aircraft carrier's landing deck!