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FizFashizzle posted:Also you want this to come up in the Senate. Pretty sure that's only a threat to Republicans in blue states - the ones in red states only grow stronger each time they cravenly defend Trump
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theflyingorc posted:Pretty sure that's only a threat to Republicans in blue states - the ones in red states only grow stronger each time they cravenly defend Trump John Cornyn and Thom Tillis do not want to make that vote.
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FizFashizzle posted:I already said this but I'll repeat; this is them shifting blame to Pompeo, and he's going to be their fall guy. USPOL Fall: Guys
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FizFashizzle posted:John Cornyn and Thom Tillis do not want to make that vote. You're correct, I was just responding to the "each and every one" part of it, but nobody in purple or blue states wants to make the vote - Cory Gardner and Susan Collins are likely terrified of it.
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FizFashizzle posted:Also you want this to come up in the Senate. you're right. the people against it and thinking the senate vote will "absolve" trump are also forgetting the kind of effect impeachment hearings will have on the public.
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Was this already known to be part of it? https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/02/...K9P8WYoiVogw3zU quote:Ukraine, Seeking U.S. Missiles, Halted Cooperation With Mueller Investigation This seems like a second thing outside of the Biden part. edit: ohhhh it's really old theflyingorc fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Sep 24, 2019 |
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theflyingorc posted:You're correct, I was just responding to the "each and every one" part of it, but nobody in purple states wants to make the vote - Cory Gardner and Susan Collins are likely terrified of it. Even if not all of them are vulnerable now, they might be later. Big votes, especially in the senate, have a way of coming back to haunt people, with Clinton being the obvious example. It's why the Senate goes out of its way to never vote on anything. But you're right, not all of them are in immediate danger. And lmao Collins knows she's dead in the water she'll probably vote no just to spite the state.
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theflyingorc posted:You're correct, I was just responding to the "each and every one" part of it, but nobody in purple or blue states wants to make the vote - Cory Gardner and Susan Collins are likely terrified of it. Collins can rest easy because she's getting booted the next time she's up, anyway.
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mdemone posted:Collins can rest easy because she's getting booted the next time she's up, anyway. Even the most vulnerable Senator holds out hope that Roy Moore will suddenly declare candidacy in their state.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:I am seeing a very big trend of MAGA people saying Thunberg should be spanked. She is a 16 year old girl and most of them are mysoginists/ pedophiles in some way, soooo
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it's really funny to me that Trump keeps calling it a 'perfect phone call' as if that's a thing, but he's just so used to dipshit marketing talk he doesn't realize it sounds dumb.
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AhhYes posted:The gently caress? I ... don't know what to say to that. It technically does not give them additional authority. Congress subpoenas are still subpoenas, but the mechanisms for punishing someone for ignoring them is different when it is a congressional subpoenas. Ultimately, the punishment for ignoring congressional subpoenas is enforced by... the Justice Department, which is part of the Executive Branch. So when the person you are investigating is the President, it becomes apparently impossible to enforce subpoenas. Therefore the only option is opening a formal impeachment investigation and forcing people to comply and impeaching for obstruction of justice when the White House continues to block testimony. This is the double-edged sword, because Trump is forcing Democrats to impeach blindly without being allowed to investigate properly first. This is as frustrating as it sounds. There is no good mechanism for investing a sitting president, as it turns out.
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Part of what has made Trump so strong and untouchable has been the GOP's absolute unflinching loyalty to him. Save Justin Amash, there hasn't been a single Republican who has made a peep about Trump or Trump's actions beyond a meely mouthed "I'm concerned" statement every so often. So GOP senators and congressmen will need to make a choice. Hold the party line (this will be SUPER easy for some, but others could be a death sentence for the political careers if their district or state is even close to purple) or speak up and oppose Trump and incur the wrath of the party and the President. My guess is, many will just retire or not run for re-election (many have already done that, likely foreseeing this catch 22).
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just got off a perfect phone call. a beautiful conversation. tremendous verbiage.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:From just now Send Melania to the DMZ to do the mean mugging instead of Pence, god drat.
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They could close their eyes and throw a dart and hit something to justify it.
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Slowpoke! posted:This is as frustrating as it sounds. There is no good mechanism for investing a sitting president, as it turns out.
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sexpig by night posted:it's really funny to me that Trump keeps calling it a 'perfect phone call' as if that's a thing, but he's just so used to dipshit marketing talk he doesn't realize it sounds dumb. he only knows maybe four adjectives so everything is beautiful or perfect even when it makes no sense.
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Arglebargle III posted:WRT climate change, consumer choice action is a bad joke. A single fracking site emits more greenhouse gas in an afternoon than you could save in a year. This is absolutely untrue. Transportation accounts for about 30% of US carbon emissions. More than half of that is from passenger cars and trucks, with the remainder coming from stuff like freight and airplanes. Agriculture is another 9%, with the bulk of that going to livestock (especially beef) and food for livestock. The industrial sector as a whole accounts for "only" 22% of total emissions, less than the energy sector's 28%. Source: https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sources-greenhouse-gas-emissions While you're right that an individual is a small part, a societal change towards normalizing vegetarian diets and improving public transport options would make a real significant difference. PLEASE, anyone who is interested in climate change topics, go read some primary sources. I strongly recommend the latest IPCC Summary Report for Policymakers. It's not a hard read and you will be so much more informed than reading forum posts or popular news articles.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Something that you, and most people, can do right now is to stop eating meat. That alone is probably the biggest most impactful thing any of us without money or power can do. The next best thing is 'stop eating beef', because beef ranching is worse that almost all other human agriculture combined.
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What? No, opening an impeachment inquiry absolutely does give them additional authority, they no longer have to show that their subpoenas have a legitimate legislative purpose and several other hurdles in the way disappear (e.g.: 6(e) grand jury secrecy). And you've confused one method for the enforcement of subpoenas for the sole method of enforcement. A criminal referral to the DOJ is obviously useless, which is why historically Congress has gone to federal court for civil enforcement of its subpoenas, because once you get a federal judge order someone to comply, defying that federal judge is a surefire ticket to sanctions and jail time.
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ColdPie posted:This is absolutely untrue. Transportation accounts for about 30% of US carbon emissions. More than half of that is from passenger cars and trucks, with the remainder coming from stuff like freight and airplanes. Agriculture is another 9%, with the bulk of that going to livestock (especially beef) and food for livestock. The industrial sector as a whole accounts for "only" 22% of total emissions, less than the energy sector's 28%. True, I will stop driving my 50 million consumer cars and eating my 20 million head of cattle each year. Too bad even I with my superpowers cannot stop the other 71% of climate emissions. If only there was some entity capable of restraining people by formal codes backed by a monopoly on violence. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Sep 24, 2019 |
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Mahoning posted:Part of what has made Trump so strong and untouchable has been the GOP's absolute unflinching loyalty to him. Save Justin Amash, there hasn't been a single Republican who has made a peep about Trump or Trump's actions beyond a meely mouthed "I'm concerned" statement every so often. So GOP senators and congressmen will need to make a choice. Hold the party line (this will be SUPER easy for some, but others could be a death sentence for the political careers if their district or state is even close to purple) or speak up and oppose Trump and incur the wrath of the party and the President. My guess is, many will just retire or not run for re-election (many have already done that, likely foreseeing this catch 22). I've made posts to this effect before, but I think the federal government is basically facing two stress tests at this point. First, it's the willingness of Democrats to impeach. Impeachment won't do anything if Republicans in the Senate won't flip, but impeachment in the face of actual, blatant crimes shouldn't be a political issue. You vote to impeach even if you think nothing is going to happen, because that's your job, and because it gives you wider latitude for pursuing an investigation. Second, it's whether Republicans will actually remove Trump from office in the event that there's strong evidence that he did something wrong. This one is way more important than people in this thread give it credit for and it's a big part of why impeachment is so important. Nixon is the only other time this has ever really been tested, and there was enough evidence that Republicans would have removed him if he hadn't resigned. If there's similar evidence for Trump and Senate Republicans still won't budge, then our institutions really are toast.
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ColdPie posted:This is absolutely untrue. Transportation accounts for about 30% of US carbon emissions. More than half of that is from passenger cars and trucks, with the remainder coming from stuff like freight and airplanes. Agriculture is another 9%, with the bulk of that going to livestock (especially beef) and food for livestock. The industrial sector as a whole accounts for "only" 22% of total emissions, less than the energy sector's 28%.
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Arglebargle III posted:True, I will stop driving my 50 million consumer cars and eating my 20 million head of cattle each year. Individual consumers are incapable of stopping this, it requires government intervention to change.
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I know it's not news but as usual Trump's UN speech is full fash
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If this meeting is at 4, they're trying to dominate the afternoon news cycle. What horrific thing is Trump going to do to distract them from this, since playing puppet master with the news orgs is the one things he's competent at?
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theflyingorc posted:You're correct, I was just responding to the "each and every one" part of it, but nobody in purple or blue states wants to make the vote - Cory Gardner and Susan Collins are likely terrified of it. I think the best argument for impeachment is to make them have to make that vote and in extension make every republican member of congress have to vote up or down on Trump before 2020 which really nationalizes the election. However I could also see McConnell just never bringing it up for a vote in the senate too.
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theflyingorc posted:By your own numbers, if we managed to knock Agriculture down to effectively 0...we're still at 90% of emissions. If we all start walking everywhere instead of using personal vehicles, we're at like...70%. Which is a big difference, but also does not solve the problem. The long term trick is making it so that modern society's needs come from sources that don't spew carbon. Yes, we need to do everything. I'm not arguing against government action, I was at last Friday's protest. I'm arguing that the collective action of individuals does make a difference.
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theflyingorc posted:By your own numbers, if we managed to knock Agriculture down to effectively 0...we're still at 90% of emissions. If we all start walking everywhere instead of using personal vehicles, we're at like...70%. Which is a big difference, but also does not solve the problem. The long term trick is making it so that modern society's needs come from sources that don't spew carbon. Yeah. Just to put this into perspective, Greta Thunberg is 16 years old right now. Our best shot at preventing potentially catastrophic warming is for us to stop all CO2 emissions globally before she even turns 25. If we do that, then we'll still have warmed the planet up and we'll still be facing serious issues. That means no natural gas, no coal, no oil, no airplanes, no container ships, nothing... by 2028ish. We'll never pull that off, but even slightly more realistic plans for aggressive action will mean a world that's going to be drastically different by 2030. This is a problem that can't be solved by consumer action.
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sexpig by night posted:I know it's not news but as usual Trump's UN speech is full fash Are they laughing at him again?
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mcmagic posted:I think the best argument for impeachment is to make them have to make that vote and in extension make every republican member of congress have to vote up or down on Trump before 2020 which really nationalizes the election. However I could also see McConnell just never bringing it up for a vote in the senate too. I think what McConnell will PROBABLY do is slam the vote through in 20 minutes, dismissing it as partisan nonsense. He tries to not do things that draw attention to himself, and I think that not hearing impeachment will catch public attention much more than not hearing judges. ColdPie posted:Yes, we need to do everything. I'm not arguing against government action, I was at last Friday's protest. I'm arguing that the collective action of individuals does make a difference. theflyingorc fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Sep 24, 2019 |
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sexpig by night posted:I know it's not news but as usual Trump's UN speech is full fash He sounds so...tired? I listened to a clip of it and he sounds like he just finished running a loving marathon. Hopefully this means his health is failing. I'm trying to listen to it and he sounds like my 85 year old Accounting 101 professor. I'm falling asleep. Here is a rough transcript of his speech Sources...say...sigh...people wait in line for...groceries...sometimes hours at a time...in socialist...vene..zue..la..gargle...burp.. Ironic considering he called Hillary "low energy" WRT Climate Change and Individual action. Individual action DOES matter. Do what you can. However, do not get mad at the person who decides to eat a T-bone steak after a poo poo day at work, or the family that wants to fly to visit grandma during Thanksgiving. Direct your anger to the corporations and governments that have wrecked our planet. Remember, just 100 companies are responsible for nearly 2/3 of gobal carbon output https://www.theguardian.com/sustain...-climate-change Solaris 2.0 fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Sep 24, 2019 |
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sexpig by night posted:I know it's not news but as usual Trump's UN speech is full fash how bad is it?
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Are they laughing at him again? no he's just rambling real low energy about how socialism is evil, social justice is bad, Iran is evil, we must keep people out, etc. He's super boring because he's not getting applause but he's just kinda trudging through his fascist bullshit
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it's going great https://twitter.com/DustinGiebel/status/1176505148690092034?s=20 https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1176505268890406915?s=20
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Trump can't deflect this to Pompeo. It's literally him on the phone; he can't claim some reagan-esque "I have no loving clue what happens here" in this case because it's what he was doing personally. Which isn't to say he won't try to pull down everyone around him as he goes, but on this behavior it's unambiguous, undenied, and easily verified to be Trump. It's also well within the established wanna-be mob boss behavior pattern Trump follows. That's why this could finally galvanize even Pelosi into doing a thing: it's splattered all over the windshield, and she can't simply claim that the road is merely bumpy this time.
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