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rscott posted:It ain't all bad: lol forever at goddamn Yang beating the rest of the no hopers.
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no enough do better, berno
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lmao I had seen this quote before but I didn't know there was footage https://twitter.com/jackallisonLOL/status/1176511664885075968?s=20
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Sep 24, 2019 18:12
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Lol, Warren is going to win and they'll use her getting her rear end best by Trump as a cudgel against anything to the left of Reagan for a hundred years. This is some "please no Biden" monkey pass stuff.
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Gripweed posted:lmao I had seen this quote before but I didn't know there was footage 
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Sep 24, 2019 18:19
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Gripweed posted:lmao I had seen this quote before but I didn't know there was footage lol, remember our racist president? he's gonna loving WRECK warren with his racist attacks.
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Sep 24, 2019 18:29
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He probably will. In other news, Sanders is about to announce his own impeachment preferences. https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/1176549324441948161
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Sep 24, 2019 18:32
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Groovelord Neato posted:time to double my donation.
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Sep 24, 2019 18:34
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Groovelord Neato posted:rip the dream is dead. was nice knowing you america. That might be premature: https://twitter.com/argumentwinner/status/1176533631919169536 And, of course... https://twitter.com/anim0rphine/status/1176539344548630528
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Sep 24, 2019 18:37
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Old people are who show up to vote in primaries. We keep hoping young people will save us but they’ve given no indication of doing so
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Sep 24, 2019 18:38
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HootTheOwl posted:Lol, Warren is going to win and they'll use her getting her rear end best by Trump as a cudgel against anything to the left of Reagan for a hundred years. That polls is 70% olds. Relax. I think she has a surge, but not that big. goethe.cx posted:Old people are who show up to vote in primaries. We keep hoping young people will save us but they’ve given no indication of doing so Young people are a lot more engaged during Republican administrations.
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Sep 24, 2019 18:40
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goethe.cx posted:Old people are who show up to vote in primaries. We keep hoping young people will save us but they’ve given no indication of doing so I feel like you might have slept through the 2016 primaries, particularly Michigan...
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Hey guys, I know we get pretty hot in here stanning/making GBS threads on Elizabeth Warren, but I just want to stop everyone for a minute so we can re-appreciate the local-personal-injury-attorney slogan that Kamala Harris adopted for her campaign slogan. Kamala Harris: For the People
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Sep 24, 2019 18:41
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Majorian posted:I feel like you might have slept through the 2016 primaries, particularly Michigan... I remember Michigan. But sanders didn’t win the primary, did he
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Sep 24, 2019 18:42
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Maybe Tulsi, now that she has qualified for the next debate, will knife Warren if Bernie is unwilling to do the needful?
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Sep 24, 2019 18:42
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https://twitter.com/Vespa2Vespa/status/1176191943463854083 Somebody figured out Nate, and while this is concerning a British reporter reminder the british media are literally ALL Nates.
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Sep 24, 2019 18:43
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Chilichimp posted:lol, remember our racist president? he's gonna loving WRECK warren with his racist attacks. He's gonna portray Warren as an out of touch Harvard egghead who cheated her way to where she is by way of Affirmative Action and the chuds are gonna eat it up. Meanwhile Warren's support base mainly consists of people who would have voted Dem anyway and are concentrated in places where Dems are going to win anyway. The only matchup that would be better for Trump would be Biden on account of Gropey Joe's brain being such mush that it's basically leaking out of his ears at this point.
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Cerebral Bore posted:He's gonna portray Warren as an out of touch Harvard egghead who cheated her way to where she is by way of Affirmative Action and the chuds are gonna eat it up. ""portray""
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Nonsense posted:He probably will. Careful Bernie, the Secret Service take threats very seriously. Don't do anything more than having The Coup playing as you come out.
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goethe.cx posted:I remember Michigan. But sanders didn’t win the primary, did he No, but he overperformed dramatically in a lot of states, and won in several where the polls showed Clinton with an insurmountable lead. Polls also dramatically underestimated younger voters in 2007-2008. Clinton had a 20-something point national lead over Obama at this point in the race. So your assumption that young people aren't going to turn out is kind of unfounded - particularly when they defied the assumption that young people don't turn out for midterms less than a year ago.
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i think nate had hillary at 99 percent in michigan for the primary. 2016 was the first time i voted in a primary.TrixR4kids posted:I was actually going to do this but couldn't figure out how. Do you have to cancel your current recurring donation and then start a new one for a different amount? it looks like it. i'm having a hard time finding a way to alter it otherwise. Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Sep 24, 2019 |
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Gyges posted:Careful Bernie, the Secret Service take threats very seriously. Don't do anything more than having The Coup playing as you come out. Bernie comes out jamming to “Five Million Ways to Kill a CEO” mouthing the lyrics
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Sep 24, 2019 18:57
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goethe.cx posted:I remember Michigan. But sanders didn’t win the primary, did he How accurate were the polls in September 2015 in predicting the final popular vote tally in the primaries
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Groovelord Neato posted:i think nate had hillary at 99 percent in michigan for the primary. 2016 was the first time i voted in a primary. But he had a 1% chance of her losing the primary, thus he wasn't wrong.
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Sep 24, 2019 19:04
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I think Warren is running a serious campaign and probably has surged from getting all the fading Harris votes, but I also don't think anything is permanent. Weren't something like 75% of Iowa Democrats still undecided?
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exquisite tea posted:I think Warren is running a serious campaign and probably has surged from getting all the fading Harris votes, but I also don't think anything is permanent. Weren't something like 75% of Iowa Democrats still undecided? Something like that, yeah. Plus these primary narratives are always cyclical. Warren's been extremely lucky so far, in that she hasn't had too many bad media cycles, beyond her completely self-inflicted DNA cockup. But even if the corporate media wants her to be the nominee, Warren will have her share of bad days, particularly as she gets more under the microscope. It happened with Harris, it happened with Buttigieg, and it will happen with Liz as well. Hopefully it will happen sooner rather than later.
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Given that >45 makes up the significant majority of that poll, the biggest takeaway I can see is that Biden is bleeding too much olds support to Warren to maintain a viable campaign. Old people (and black people) are his base. Warren's support is relatively flat across the spectrum, but if Biden wants to win he needs a significant lead among the oldest (ie most conservative) primary voters. Warren leading NH in an old-heavy poll is the gong sounding for him. The hope for Bernie is that as the rest of Biden's vote collapses, they flock to him rather than Warren, as in Biden's current voters Just Don't Like Her For Some Reason and aren't particularly ideological along policy issues. At this point its silly to hold the belief that, as the race stand, he's got a silent majority waiting in the wings to lift him to a double digit victory and that all polling is 20+ points biased/flawed. He needs to actually do something other than Being 2016 Bernie, because this isn't the 2016 field and the converts aren't coming yet.
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Now I'm not paid six figures to be wrong about everything like most political pundits, but the way I see it, your faith in the polls at this point kind of relies on whether or not you believe they're consistently undervaluing the new people Sanders is going to bring into the race. All I know is there's something incongruous about a man who has gotten 1mil individual donations faster than any presidential candidate in history versus what the polls are saying, and both might be true, but if there's anything the post-2016 world has taught me it's that the predictive value of "experts" on cable news counts for very, very little. I do think Warren is a serious candidate, certainly not a total joke like Beto or Harris, but she hasn't really been scrutinized yet.
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Still waiting on Bernie's plan to deal with the rise of fascism in America, that he teased recently also would like a plan to prosecute members of the Trump, Bush, and Obama admin for war crimes/crimes against humanity
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Majorian posted:Something like that, yeah. Plus these primary narratives are always cyclical. Warren's been extremely lucky so far, in that she hasn't had too many bad media cycles, beyond her completely self-inflicted DNA cockup. But even if the corporate media wants her to be the nominee, Warren will have her share of bad days, particularly as she gets more under the microscope. It happened with Harris, it happened with Buttigieg, and it will happen with Liz as well. Hopefully it will happen sooner rather than later. The more Warren speaks the more cognitive dissonance her supporters get when the progressive brand smashes into the right-wing reality
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Judakel posted:That polls is 70% olds. Relax. I think she has a surge, but not that big. I will not stop panicking until the day Bernie the convention. And if he wins I will immediately begin worrying Trump will win again. It's terrible on my heart, but cheaper than Prednisone so...
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HootTheOwl posted:I will not stop panicking until the day Bernie the convention. And if he wins I will immediately begin worrying Trump will win again. It's terrible on my heart, but cheaper than Prednisone so... i'll be worried sick until bernie wins the nom but when he does it'll float away.
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Ya'll realize that more than half of all "olds" are women, right?
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What is Sanders... doesn't win?
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rscott posted:It ain't all bad: Yang getting at least one delegate at some point during the primary is gonna be the thing I remember fifty years from now
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Brony Car posted:What is Sanders... doesn't win? The answer to this question is entirely subjective. The question I'm more interested in is... What if Biden wins?
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Pander posted:Given that >45 makes up the significant majority of that poll, the biggest takeaway I can see is that Biden is bleeding too much olds support to Warren to maintain a viable campaign. Old people (and black people) are his base. Warren's support is relatively flat across the spectrum, but if Biden wants to win he needs a significant lead among the oldest (ie most conservative) primary voters. Warren leading NH in an old-heavy poll is the gong sounding for him. Biden is in no real danger. The only real route to being on a ticket for Warren is to have a contested convention and join a ticket with Biden.
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i suppose the warren supporters know her and her history well, so I have a question for you all: what positive examples of racial and social justice can warren point to in her history? we all know she was part of an explicitly and extremely racist party until the 90s, and she left that party because of differences in economic policy, but the warren supporters in the thread have something they can point to that shows she's actually become better on that front right? I ask cause it just came up recently that warren was telling people that transgender inmates getting critical sex change treatments was a waste of taxpayer money when she was running as a democrat, which really loving pisses me off. I hope the warren supporters in thread are supporting her based on her history and not just because of "plans"
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Monmouth falls all over themselves to apologize when Bernie moves up a couple points into a lead. Puts out a poll where Warren literally triples her past numbers with no comment.
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Brony Car posted:What is Sanders... doesn't win? Then I'll die of treatable illness so who cares.
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