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Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo
I assume all military acquisitions go exactly as represented in Sgt Bilko

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Zipperelli.
Apr 3, 2011



Nap Ghost

Azhais posted:

I assume all military acquisitions go exactly as represented in Sgt Bilko

I imagine all military schools are like Major Payne.

Taerkar
Dec 7, 2002

kind of into it, really

Pissed Ape Sexist posted:

It's like half-serious Sea Patrol, wow

Don't worry... He's completely serious.

Maxwells Demon
Jan 15, 2007


chitoryu12 posted:

There was a really good effortpost in the milhist thread breaking down how The Pentagon Wars was actually full of poo poo and not close to reality.

You're a dick for not posting it. I assume it's this one:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3872282&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=450#post496717943

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Spatial posted:

The Bradley is pretty OSHA in itself. Someone published a book years ago called The Pentagon Wars about the stupid poo poo they got up to during development, like doing survivability testing with water-filled fuel tanks and intentionally weak explosives. Even got made into a movie.

It's also a pretty poo poo movie that has one famous scene but is a serious mispresentation of things. Friend of mine wrote a serious history of the Bradley program and had this to say about the film:

https://yarchive.net/mil/bradley.html

quote:

It's a bit like the F35 in that it's three amazing vehicles in one. A tank with aluminium armour, a troop transport that moves 6 people at a time, and a scout 10 feet tall with a top speed of 35 mph.

It's not a tank.

An actual armor expert over on the milhist thread has a very good takedown of the film as well:

quote:

Pentagon Wars fictionalizes the somewhat troubled development that led to the M2 Bradley IFV and M3 Bradley CFV, and in doing so misrepresents not only the actual, historical process, but also presents entirely reasonable compromises and design choices as wrongheaded. There's a team of generals who are presented as buffons and a put-upon lead designer who has to struggle under their unreasonable demands, but, in fact, the generals are reasonable and the lead designer is an idiot who couldn't design his way out of a paper bag.

...


Then we skip ahead in time and the Greek chorus comments that has aluminium skin, and "anything an enemy tank fires at it is going to go through it like a hot knife through butter". You know. As opposed to all those other APCs. A suggestion is floated to change the material to steel and aaargh it wouldn't help. This is the late 70s. Soviet tanks fire projectiles that can penetrate a foot of armour steel. No APC that wasn't built out of a spare tank hull can take direct hits from a tank's main gun. The armour is there to protect against heavy machine guns and grenade fragments, like those from 155 mm howitzers and Soviet APCs. Which it could, despite the aluminium armour. This isn't an issue.

Then the buffoon generals are presented as unreasonable for wanting the Bradley to be able to kill tanks, which is actually probably it's best feature and pretty excellent because tanks and other armoured vehicles are a huge issue and giving every mechanized squad the ability to kill them from several kilometers away is, uh, good, actually? It's exactly the kind of thing you want on an infantry fighting vehicle.

"A troop transport that can't carry troops. A reconnaissance vehicle that's too conspicuous to do reconnaissance. And a quasi-tank that has less armour than a snowblower, but has enough ammo to take out half of D.C."

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh.

The first part is maybe, maybe true. It's perfectly adequate as a reconnaissance vehicle because it's the reconnassiance vehicle of a mechanized battalion designed to fight in the Fulda Gap, it does reconnaissance by force, it doesn't have to be sneaky and mounting the optics on top of a tall superstructure is actually super useful. At the time of its arrival there was maybe one infantry carrier in all of NATO that was more armoured than it, and it's one of the most capable and well-equipped IFVs ever built. It's an excellent vehicle and Pentagon War's portrayal of it is a travesty.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

LatwPIAT is right, though Pentagon Wars is still hilarious and people should watch it

d3lness
Feb 19, 2011

Unicorns are metal. Gundanium alloy to be exact...


Pro click right there.

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



Who gives a poo poo the military sucks

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

PittTheElder posted:

LatwPIAT is right, though Pentagon Wars is still hilarious and people should watch it

Makes me laugh that certain movies are just posted in full on youtube and no-one cares.

SardonicTyrant
Feb 26, 2016

BTICH IM A NEWT
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走り出せ振り向くことなく
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LifeSunDeath posted:

Makes me laugh that certain movies are just posted in full on youtube and no-one cares.
Before youtube started selling movies I'd watched Streets of Fire nonstop on it.

Kibayasu
Mar 28, 2010

Someone had uploaded Megaforce (in several parts of course) at some point but it came down after I watched it a few times over the years.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

This is why I get annoying about accuracy in dramatizations. Sometimes it’s just minor poo poo, sometimes a lot of regular people walk away with completely wrong ideas about the history that they start telling everyone about and it’s a pain in the rear end to reverse course.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
Mad, Bad, and Dangerous to know
Nothing wrong with people walking away feeling like the military isn't using their $$$ wisely and instead are using it for bloated pork projects.

We can't even audit the Pentagon because... "it's too complicated" *throws papers into the air*

Drone_Fragger
May 9, 2007


Now the F-35 though. That thing is a tire fire bought about by the navies armies airforce which for some reason entered the project like 59% of the way into it and started screaming about Svotl capability like a bunch of buffoons, ruining the project irreparably.

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin

Drone_Fragger posted:

the navies armies airforce

This gave me a hearty chuckle, thank you.

madeintaipei
Jul 13, 2012

Memento posted:

This gave me a hearty chuckle, thank you.

People's Liberation Army Navy Naval Airforce.

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

Doesn't the Navy's Army's Airforce have its own Navy as well? (to launch the planes from) We can have an infinite ouroboros!

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

The Marines and the Navy should have the same relationship as the Army and the Air Force: the Marines get helicopters, the Navy gets fixed-wing.

Also the main reason the f-35 sucks is because Lockheed got permission to do an incredibly stupid business ~innovation~ where they designed, tested, and manufactured the aircraft all at the same time.

If that doesn't make sense to you -- like you say "wait, how can you build the aircraft before you're done designing it?" congratulations you are smarter than every lockheed manager and the entire department of defense

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Sagebrush posted:

If that doesn't make sense to you -- like you say "wait, how can you build the aircraft before you're done designing it?" congratulations you are smarter than every lockheed manager and the entire department of defense

Now, now, the idea worked out really well for Lockheed.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

`Nemesis
Dec 30, 2000

railroad graffiti

Weird, I don't see any Swift or CRST logos

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

KoRMaK posted:

Who gives a poo poo the military sucks

As a veteran, I agree.

shovelbum
Oct 21, 2010

Fun Shoe

Sagebrush posted:

Also the main reason the f-35 sucks is because Lockheed got permission to do an incredibly stupid business ~innovation~ where they designed, tested, and manufactured the aircraft all at the same time.

If that doesn't make sense to you -- like you say "wait, how can you build the aircraft before you're done designing it?" congratulations you are smarter than every lockheed manager and the entire department of defense

I forget what industry but I saw an ad for doing this as a DISRUPTIVE BUSINESS INNOVATION literally yesterday lmao

bring back old gbs
Feb 28, 2007

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Phanatic posted:

Now, now, the idea worked out really well for Lockheed.

lmao

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009




putting the wheeeeeeeeeeeee in wheelchair

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

Powershift posted:



putting the wheeeeeeeeeeeee in wheelchair

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUwzWHD3Htg

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

https://twitter.com/danhett/status/1176116886301487105?s=20

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



Cojawfee posted:

As a veteran, I agree.
o7

drunkill
Sep 25, 2007

me @ ur posting
Fallen Rib
This kills the substation




A few thousand homes without power.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/...925-p52uxi.html

drunkill fucked around with this message at 12:15 on Sep 25, 2019

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa
Australians should learn to hard disable the automatic levelling system if the crane you're using was built in northern hemisphere!

sharkytm
Oct 9, 2003

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Sharkytm doot doo do doot do doo


Fallen Rib

Nenonen posted:

Australians should learn to hard disable the automatic levelling system if the crane you're using was built in northern hemisphere!

I was trying to come up with a joke, but yours is perfect.

Alternately, couple thousand homes must be half the country.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


drunkill posted:

This kills the substation




A few thousand homes without power.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/...925-p52uxi.html

Just wait til they do that again in summer in South Australia! They all gonna die! (from heat due to no Aircons)

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos

drunkill posted:

This kills the substation




A few thousand homes without power.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/...925-p52uxi.html
Squirel: hold my beer

https://www.wbrz.com/news/power-restored-after-squirrel-causes-morning-outage-in-downtown-baton-rouge/

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?

Humphreys posted:

The Pentagon Wars needs to be a permanent sticky on each page as the posterboy for what happens when too many people with different mindsets get involved in a specific task. And Yes the Sequel is going to be about the F35

Excuse me, but the never-to-be-completed airport BER actually needs to be stickied instead of the Bradley as soon as we get a good parody movie about it.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

I'm terrified of getting stuck in an elevator, but I've always wondered why they don't all come with a little panel you can pop out along with a hand-crank or something. At most you're only ever going to be moving a half floor. Just crank and slowly descend to the nearest floor then manually open the door. Save people from spending hours or actually starving to death in forgotten broken elevators.

Serephina
Nov 8, 2005

恐竜戦隊
ジュウレンジャー
I... those elevators are powered by engines not even located on the compartment. When the power goes out, the brakes clamp down. I cannot imagine disengaging breaks to try and hold the thing in place by hand is going to result in anything but a darwin award.

I'm sure an actual technician can correct, but common sense says you're out of your mind.

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


Remember, elevators want to fall up because of the counterweight. You'd be releasing the brakes to let gravity move the car up, and in a fault condition you probably don't want to mess with the brakes without someone knowing what they're doing.

Most urban areas in the US are going to require that have emergency backup power - at the very least battery lowering to a lobby level - so if a car is stalled it is going to almost always be because of 1) a possible unsafe condition is detected, in which case the best thing to do is to immediately stop and sit still, 2) a heat detector in the machine room indicates a fire, in which case the car stops with brakes engaged since you're about to spray water on the controls and destroy them, or 3) something is truly broken, in which case who knows what and whether it's a good idea to move the car.

But don't worry, you're very safe sitting in the car and most well populated places will also require that there be a phone connection for each car that let you call out for help, including automatically giving your location and elevator car number so help can find you. Doesn't mean you won't be trapped in a claustrophonic space for an hour or two, but you're safe there. As a building engineer I've been trapped in many elevators!

shovelbum
Oct 21, 2010

Fun Shoe
They should have a hatch and ladder like in action movies obviously

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haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Disengage the brakes, then jump when the display shows the lowest floor

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