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Godholio posted:I read that as Iowas and I was about to get irrationally angry. Have you considered that in actuality slapping a nuclear reactor and stealth coating onto the Missouri is the future of warfare? Now it'll be able to travel too fast for the PLAN to keep track of so it can stealthily ram the entire PLAN before they know what hit them. Make Ramming Great Again 
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Don Gato posted:Make Ramming Great Again There's a joke in here somewhere about the coverup to the Iowa turret explosion
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Don Gato posted:Have you considered that in actuality slapping a nuclear reactor and stealth coating onto the Missouri is the future of warfare? Now it'll be able to travel too fast for the PLAN to keep track of so it can stealthily ram the entire PLAN before they know what hit them. Make Ramming Great Again Basically just paint it up to look like a Philippine fishing boat and hang out in international waters until Chinese ships sink themselves on it?
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Sep 25, 2019 03:17
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Warbadger posted:Basically just paint it up to look like a Philippine fishing boat and hang out in international waters until
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Sep 25, 2019 03:51
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No that would be disguised as a container ship
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Sep 25, 2019 03:55
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Fearless posted:I shudder to think what restarting production on 16" guns and their ammunition would cost. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSgxpZD2qRw "Each barrel is 68 feet long and weighs 120 tons."
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Mortabis posted:There are a few drones that can be launched out of subs. One is designed to be launched from the 3-inch countermeasure tubes and apparently the navy has it in inventory. I feel like everyone is skipping over this official navy slide suggesting that the trash chute should be used to launch a UAV.
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priznat posted:No that would be disguised as a container ship And a japanese fishing boat for the subs
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Sep 25, 2019 04:56
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Godholio posted:You know what's a sure cure for suicidal ideation? Talking to someone about it or asking for help and having your career openly or surreptitiously ruined, while you may or may not be poo poo on by your peers for it. Not emptyquoting. People who work in a job with a clearance - whether they're uniformed or not - are dis-incentivized from asking for help because if you're seen as a potential "Section 8" or security risk, you'll lose your job or be reassigned/blacklisted. Just what someone on the ledge needs - to be treated like a 'damaged unit' and shoved out of a major responsibility of their life into the equivalent of a broom closet, away from where they can hurt anything that matters.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Not emptyquoting. Yeah. Better to kill yourself than to risk potentially damaging one’s career.
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Sep 25, 2019 05:11
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priznat posted:No that would be disguised as a container ship Unless it was a sub Efb
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Sep 25, 2019 05:34
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Wasn't the Japanese ship the sub crashed into a fishing research ship full of students, several of whom died? fake e: Yep
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thesurlyspringKAA posted:Yeah. Better to kill yourself than to risk potentially damaging one’s career. Yup, this is the calculus they suggested was being made and not that career pressures could push depressed and/or suicidal people away from getting help, but lol, suicidal people?
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Holy shitballs, I knew that LHDs were quick to build, but not that fast! China Launches 1st Type 075 LHD for PLAN    
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priznat posted:Wasn't the Japanese ship the sub crashed into a fishing research ship full of students, several of whom died? Yeah, I considered mentioning the submarines but it'd have to be a Japanese fishing boat to attract those.
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Fearless posted:I shudder to think what restarting production on 16" guns and their ammunition would cost. Weren't the smart-shell Zumwalt cannon stuff estimating at like 1.25 mil per shot fired or something insane like that? thesurlyspringKAA posted:Yeah. Better to kill yourself than to risk potentially damaging one’s career. You're gross.
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That Works posted:Weren't the smart-shell Zumwalt cannon stuff estimating at like 1.25 mil per shot fired or something insane like that? The AGC is the most economical naval gun currently in service. 
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mlmp08 posted:"be sure of your target, and what's behind it" gets real hard with laser stuff. With lasers, a thick atmosphere and the curvature of the earth really help out in limiting collateral damage. Nebakenezzer posted:I...think the NYT said military personnel are a bunch of lucky duckies... So lucky to have access to Motrin horse pills and a return to duty profile. A.o.D. fucked around with this message at 13:52 on Sep 25, 2019 |
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That Works posted:Weren't the smart-shell Zumwalt cannon stuff estimating at like 1.25 mil per shot fired or something insane like that? They spent an enormous amount of money on development, then only built a few of them. Actual production cost was much lower.
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Blistex posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSgxpZD2qRw it is mind blowing to me that these barrels were only good for a couple hundred rounds could they be refurbished somehow after they were shot out, or was it to the scrapyard?
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bewbies posted:it is mind blowing to me that these barrels were only good for a couple hundred rounds Didn't they all have thin barrel liners and that was the only part that got replaced?
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bewbies posted:it is mind blowing to me that these barrels were only good for a couple hundred rounds They had a liner that could be separated and replaced. From https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a183947.pdf quote:A 16-inch gun barrel does not have to be scrapped when it is
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Gnoman posted:They spent an enormous amount of money on development, then only built a few of them. Actual production cost was much lower. Talkin about : quote:The Advanced Gun System (AGS) is a naval artillery system developed and produced by BAE Systems Armaments Systems for the Zumwalt-class destroyer of the United States Navy. Designated the 155 mm/62 (6.1") Mark 51 Advanced Gun System (AGS),[1] it was designed to provide long range naval gunfire support against shore-based targets. A total of six of the systems have been installed, two on each of the three Zumwalt-class ships. The Navy has no plans for additional Zumwalt-class ships,[2][3] and no plans to deploy AGS on any other ship. AGS can only use ammunition designed specifically for the system. Only one ammunition type was designed, and the Navy halted its procurement in November 2016 due to cost ($800,000 to $1 million per round), so the AGS has no ammunition and cannot be used.[4][5][1]
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n0tqu1tesane posted:They had a liner that could be separated and replaced. that is a relief but man that is still a massive undertaking That Works posted:Talkin about : The projected per unit cost was actually extremely cheap, which was one of the big advantages of the system over missiles and rocket artillery, but all of the economies of scale were lost when things got cancelled, as they do.
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bewbies posted:that is a relief but man that is still a massive undertaking Well, with a gun that big, I don't think any maintenance is anything but a massive undertaking. Here's a picture of a barrel separated into its components: 
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Not emptyquoting. This has greatly improved in recent years. Here's the current SF-86 question, asking if you have: quote:Had a court or administrative agency declare them mentally incompetent I've personally known people with clearances and depression, anxiety, medicated ADD, etc and I've never seen adverse consequences. Admittedly this is on the civilian side.
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n0tqu1tesane posted:Well, with a gun that big, I don't think any maintenance is anything but a massive undertaking.
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The Hired Goons mercenary LP is starting up again and is still accepting pilots for pre-95 military aircraft. Our airforce currently consists of:quote:6 - J-7II Fishbed No word on if we got to keep our navy: a sig-int boat and a diesel submarine. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?action=showpost&postid=498519569
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That Works posted:Talkin about : If something cost $1,000,000 to develop, and costs $1000 to manufacture, the unit cost on 10 of them is $ 101,000. That means that cutting the buy down to a small fraction of the original makes the unit cost shoot into the stratosphere.
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Russian mercs from Wagner group are apparently fighting in Libya, on the side of the rebel Haftar. He worked with I believe the french and CIA before he moved against the government, seems everybody likes this guy. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-25/-putin-s-chef-deploys-mercenaries-to-libya-in-latest-adventure Kinda interesting article actually, I wasn't aware there were so many foreigners involved in the current fighting in Libya, with Turkey wupporting the government side and UAE and Egypt on Haftar's side. Syncopated fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Sep 25, 2019 |
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Gnoman posted:If something cost $1,000,000 to develop, and costs $1000 to manufacture, the unit cost on 10 of them is $ 101,000. That means that cutting the buy down to a small fraction of the original makes the unit cost shoot into the stratosphere. What I've never been clear on is if that money was already spent. If the rounds were already developed, then the rounds are still only $1,000 to manufacture.
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Gnoman posted:If something cost $1,000,000 to develop, and costs $1000 to manufacture, the unit cost on 10 of them is $ 101,000. That means that cutting the buy down to a small fraction of the original makes the unit cost shoot into the stratosphere. I know how that works. I wasn't talking about that. My reply was to this: quote:I shudder to think what restarting production on 16" guns and their ammunition would cost. And well, I'd say the current million dollar shots area already a good metric for this.
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Captain von Trapp posted:This has greatly improved in recent years. Here's the current SF-86 question, asking if you have: Mil-side it depends a lot on your unit but I do know people currently being treated for depression who didn't lose their clearance.
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I'm too tired to type out my usual rant about the Iowa explosion so just imagine it
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Mortabis posted:What I've never been clear on is if that money was already spent. If the rounds were already developed, then the rounds are still only $1,000 to manufacture. Not if those $1000 are being spent in a single (or very few) congressional district(s).
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Dante80 posted:Holy shitballs, I knew that LHDs were quick to build, but not that fast! If you think about it, a LHD is a container ship with some odd decks on top of it
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Don Gato posted:Mil-side it depends a lot on your unit but I do know people currently being treated for depression who didn't lose their clearance. It varies, but of all the suicidal or depressed folk I’ve been in the chain for, the only ones who had clearances suspended had aggravating details such as being dishonest, financial liabilities, and substance abuse. That was a very small percentage of people over the years. That said, yeah, I’d still be reluctant to seek help unless it were really serious, despite all that. It’s dumb and mental health stigma sucks and it’s easily internalized.
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n0tqu1tesane posted:They had a liner that could be separated and replaced. I'm impressed that at the end of that section, the author mentions that we can now build a 16 inch cannon with monoblock construction. I cant even picture that. Material science is pretty impressive.
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Zhanism posted:I'm impressed that at the end of that section, the author mentions that we can now build a 16 inch cannon with monoblock construction. I cant even picture that. Material science is pretty impressive. I wonder how 30+ more years of materials science since that paper was published has changed how a barrel of that size would be constructed.
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n0tqu1tesane posted:I wonder how 30+ more years of materials science since that paper was published has changed how a barrel of that size would be constructed. Carbon Fiber Wire Wound(TM), Ceramic-Line Low Friction Velocity Enhancer (TM). In all seriousness, if we have to build a 16 inch rifle, I bet it wont be even rifled. Fin stabilized would probably be the better balance between ease of construction and performance.
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