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US law gets harder to avoid the more money they make. The actual owners of IP can sue, but actual damages has to do with how much money they lost due to the plaintiff's actions. If the people running the server are barely breaking even, it makes that case harder. It gets harder to understand with regards to Abandonware, but it they turned a one million dollar profit tomorrow, a cease and desist would immediately show up. Disclaimer: not a lawyer, but I am pretty sure that is how the case would work.
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There's also the potential issue that if you buy Influence with money, then Influence technically has value and could be considered taxable income. Same thing applies to like getting a car as a gift; you technically have to pay taxes on the value of the car. There's no guarantee that this would actually be an issue, but it could be and it's better to avoid that can of worms
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They don't even accept donations past a specific set goal each month to cover server operating costs, I don't think they're going to be monetizing anything.
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Sea Lily posted:They don't even accept donations past a specific set goal each month to cover server operating costs, I don't think they're going to be monetizing anything. Which, I think, is damned fantastic.
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Sea Lily posted:They don't even accept donations past a specific set goal each month to cover server operating costs, I don't think they're going to be monetizing anything. ...and there are so many people donating that they need to set a donation window. It gets filled within hours.
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Gynovore posted:...and there are so many people donating that they need to set a donation window. It gets filled within hours. Actually the Aug 31st donation got filled within 7 minutes. People were getting mad that they would just do it randomly and they weren't able to donate, so now they post about it first, and it fills relatively instantly. e: i was wrong, to quote GM Widower "The official time for this month's donations is 3 minutes and 47.78 seconds. People like City of Heroes, apparently." https://forums.homecomingservers.com/topic/9464-september-2019-donations-finances/?do=findComment&comment=84305 OgNar fucked around with this message at 05:52 on Sep 24, 2019 |
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From a technical standpoint, I don't know what a partnership with NCSoft could bring to the table, unless I'm missing something. We are getting new classes, power tweaks and all that. I guess they can't make anything new wholecloth, right? Given what a mess the codebase was, I dunno what they'd gain from having NC dump the prime build/tools on them.
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Also why not the most obvious reason to not offer inf for real money: It would totally gently caress up the in-game economy and piss everyone off?
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Inzombiac posted:Given what a mess the codebase was, I dunno what they'd gain from having NC dump the prime build/tools on them. Nothing, because they already have said tools.
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Pooquote:@everyone Hello!
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This just popped up on homecoming discord:Homecoming posted:Hello! e:fb
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Sep 25, 2019 00:43
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I hope my Jack Donaghy cosplay character survives 
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They better not have touched Vegeta Weedlord 420.
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i swear to god if they ban Handsome Piccolo
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I JUST rolled Cyloque actually the policy when the game was up, iirc, was that if you could establish the character as a parody by changing it somehow, then it was fine. hopefully these guys get that, or at least they don't recognize Venture 2099 as a Spider-Man 2099 villain and I can keep him
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Ive had a Ruby Rose character from 2004 or 2005 and its my main on Homecoming. I really hope I dont get hit over this from that drat anime RWBY. THAT drat thing is years younger than my character.
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Is there a goon villain SG I can join on the homecoming server Indomitable?
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welp there goes 90% of my characters
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Aww rats. I had an Architect arc on the old servers that got delisted because it had characters called "hobgoblins." I was all excited that I'd get to remake it in Homecoming. *kicks rock*
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i'm actually very upset, this loving sucks rear end
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I'm legitimately curious if this has to do with the NCSoft stuff. Like, if they weren't planning on going "legit," some players functionally using the character creator to make fanart would be the least of their concerns, I'd imagine. If Marvel or DC aren't coming down on fan artists on Twitter and Tumblr and poo poo, why would they care about players some relatively small private server for a dead MMO? Nobody's making money off their characters or anything like that.
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Knightsoul posted:Is there a goon villain SG I can join on the homecoming server Indomitable? no but you should join the channel goonsquad. /chanjoin goonsquad iirc
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Harrow posted:I'm legitimately curious if this has to do with the NCSoft stuff. Like, if they weren't planning on going "legit," some players functionally using the character creator to make fanart would be the least of their concerns, I'd imagine. If Marvel or DC aren't coming down on fan artists on Twitter and Tumblr and poo poo, why would they care about players some relatively small private server for a dead MMO? Nobody's making money off their characters or anything like that. Probably just taking care of a future headache
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Harrow posted:I'm legitimately curious if this has to do with the NCSoft stuff. Like, if they weren't planning on going "legit," some players functionally using the character creator to make fanart would be the least of their concerns, I'd imagine. If Marvel or DC aren't coming down on fan artists on Twitter and Tumblr and poo poo, why would they care about players some relatively small private server for a dead MMO? Nobody's making money off their characters or anything like that. I think when you're in a fairly precarious legal position as it is, you want to take the proper precautions and not tempt fate.
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i.e. the only break one law at a time rule. If you've got your car doors stuffed full of Mary J, check that your lights work and don't break the speed limit.
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Mirage posted:Aww rats. I had an Architect arc on the old servers that got delisted because it had characters called "hobgoblins." I was all excited that I'd get to remake it in Homecoming. *kicks rock* Maybe I'm ignorant as to the existence of a comic character by that name, but hobgoblin is a long established term from medieval folklore just like troll, orc, and goblin. That should have been fine.
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hes a...maybe major is too strong a word, but hes been a spidey foe for like 25 years
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tooterfish posted:i.e. the only break one law at a time rule. For a moment I thought "Did... did they fridge Peter's girlfriend in a way I was unaware of? "I grew up with hippies, I should instinctively recognize weed names.
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site posted:hes a...maybe major is too strong a word, but hes been a spidey foe for like 25 years I knew about Green Goblin, but Hobgoblin is news to me. Still, as long as they didn't look like the Marvel version, I can't see how they'd have a case against it.
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That's what irks me about this policy. The term "hobgoblin" has existed in folklore for a very long time, but because it gets applied to a moderately-known comic book character, now it's off-limits. Hypothetically. Depending on GM judgment. So who knows. And that's without getting into situations like Thor.
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The original version of the policy was an overly stringent, blanket ban on that stuff to the point where the architect had all sorts of dumb stuff you weren't allowed to put in your arcs if it was too Marvel. But that filter is gone and I doubt Homecoming is going to reinstate it. My hope is that since Homecoming is a comparatively smaller operation, with fellow players behind the scenes and such, that they'll be a lot more evenhanded about enforcing it. They know there's a difference between knock-off characters and stuff that simply shares the same language. People always get really nervous when stuff like this comes around but 99% of the characters getting generic'd are guaranteed to be the endless xXtEhWolferine420Xx types.
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Yeah I would hope if somebody made Thor Odinson as a warhammer / elec armor guy with a generic viking outfit and no references to being in the Avengers or beating up the Wrecking Crew they wouldn't try to nail him with a "no Marvel characters" ban. That character would even be pretty thematically appropriate for the CoH world!
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Dareon posted:For a moment I thought "Did... did they fridge Peter's girlfriend in a way I was unaware of?
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I'm going to miss ThiccThor. Not even my character, I just grouped with him a few days ago. All he wanted to do was sneak around, but he's dummy thicc and the clap of his asscheeks kept altering the nazi guards and getting our team wiped.John Murdoch posted:The original version of the policy was an overly stringent, blanket ban on that stuff to the point where the architect had all sorts of dumb stuff you weren't allowed to put in your arcs if it was too Marvel. But that filter is gone and I doubt Homecoming is going to reinstate it. Don't fool yourself. These people are paranoid as hell and now they want a paycheck. This is a recipe for a bunch of dumb bullshit nobody wants.
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Freakazoid_ posted:Don't fool yourself. These people are paranoid as hell and now they want a paycheck. This is a recipe for a bunch of dumb bullshit nobody wants. 
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i wonder if they are going through every character name manually or something because i just checked and none of my marvel characters have been hit yet. or maybe they just arent big enough names to warrant it
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It's also entirely possible that they made the announcement and did some quick bans so that if Marvel/DC comes knocking in the future, they can point to it and say "We tried, the users are just too sneaky!", and have no real plans to continue to enforce this stuff. Copyright law is a lot of shadow theater. It's is less about ACTUALLY keeping anyone from using your stuff ever, and more about being able to say that you tried to protect it so nobody can claim you abandoned it.
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I skimmed the announcement thread and they've already made it clear it'll work largely the same as it did on live: You need to be actually reported to the GMs for anyone to pay attention. They're neither automating things nor manually looking through each and every character that exists. What they are doing is establishing a system to help GMs avoid giving conflicting opinions on the same character.
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oh lol okay. all of my marvel characters are women so i doubt most of the playerbase will even know they are real characters to report em
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