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Yeah, everyone should listen to the Electability and Pundit Brain episode’s of Citations Needed. I think we all need the understanding that “electability” is bullshit. Pellisworth, I’m honestly a bit confused by your stance because I think the Chapo’s have explained their feelings articulately over the last month or so of why Warren is a problem. I agree with them and I’m someone who post-2016 called Warren’s DC and MA offices once a week to have her run. (I stopped around the end of 2017.) I didn’t think Bernie would, so she would be the next closest thing. I even donated to her campaign once a few months ago, but I wouldn’t do any of that now. She’s made it clear she’s willing to start in a compromise position, a la Obama, and she’ll get nuked. It’s come up on Chapo but if you’re going to compromise, then you should start from the position you want most. Not what you think will work, because what works now is bullshit neoliberal policy that appeals to Republicans. EDIT: do you agree or relate to any of the stuff people are telling you here? I know some of it’s pretty snarky but I think they’re bringing up good points. The fact that only Bernie can stand alone on M4A and say “everyone is covered,” puts him football fields ahead of everyone else in this race. Boywhiz88 fucked around with this message at 10:18 on Sep 25, 2019 |
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MadJackal posted:The weirdest thing about Chapo-Sanders supporters is the insistence that somehow every single Democratic candidate other than Bernie will magically be worse than the Trump. weeks ago we literally saw pollsters admit that they throw out numbers they don't like to get ones they do. polls are rigged and fake and you should stop being such a moron lol also listen to the trillbillies' newest episode for a good take on warren
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Serf posted:weeks ago we literally saw pollsters admit that they throw out numbers they don't like to get ones they do. polls are rigged and fake and you should stop being such a moron lol not just any pollster, it was john anzalone the guy in charge of internal polling for the biden campaign
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Sep 25, 2019 11:00
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theres no reason to support her over bernie but i think warren would have an ok shot at the general jsut because hillary almost won while running maybe the worst campaign of all time
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Sep 25, 2019 11:18
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Farm Frenzy posted:theres no reason to support her over bernie but i think warren would have an ok shot at the general jsut because hillary almost won while running maybe the worst campaign of all time I would think similarly except that the Republicans have been spending the last few years really cranking up their voter-suppression stuff. 
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Farm Frenzy posted:theres no reason to support her over bernie but i think warren would have an ok shot at the general jsut because hillary almost won while running maybe the worst campaign of all time Yeah, I'm not convinced she would automatically lose to Trump. But from the very beginning of her campaign she's talked about Medicare for All as an eventual goal and that we should have private insurers match the quality and cost of Medicare in the meantime, somehow. Ady Barkan, who had pointed questions for everyone who has been evasive on Medicare for All, also pressed Warren on this. Her slogan is about her plans, and her healthcare plan makes no mention of "single payer," makes no mention of cost-sharing (whether or not there will be premiums, copays, deductibles), and it seems to carve out mental health as the domain of private insurance. Healthcare is probably the single biggest domestic issue, and all this prevarication is a major red flag. We've seen this movie before with Obama. Bernie is the only choice.
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Farm Frenzy posted:theres no reason to support her over bernie but i think warren would have an ok shot at the general jsut because hillary almost won while running maybe the worst campaign of all time Nah, Trump's gonna get a much stronger turnout this time. A bunch of chuds stayed home in 2016 because everyone knew it was her turn. They're all showing up this time.
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Sep 25, 2019 12:33
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Stringent posted:Nah, Trump's gonna get a much stronger turnout this time. A bunch of chuds stayed home in 2016 because everyone knew it was her turn. They're all showing up this time. every chud on earth came out to vote against clinton. trump topped bush's turnout record from 2004 by nearly a million people and got like 2-3 million more votes than either romney or mccain
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Sep 25, 2019 13:26
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The Muppets On PCP posted:every chud on earth came out to vote against clinton. trump topped bush's turnout record from 2004 by nearly a million people and got like 2-3 million more votes than either romney or mccain 2004 was after the Iraq invasion and lol @ Romney and McCain, but we'll see I guess. I think we should approach the election with an expectation of the worst possible case and prepare for that.
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MadJackal posted:At best Sanders has stayed as stagnant as Biden while Warren has gone from 5% to 20%. For all the talk about how Bernie's policies are more popular than Marvel movies if americans actually voted based on what policies polling shows they prefer we'd have been a social democracy ages ago. The Muppets On PCP posted:every chud on earth came out to vote against clinton. trump topped bush's turnout record from 2004 by nearly a million people and got like 2-3 million more votes than either romney or mccain yeah trump maxed out what a gop candidate could get in an election at this point (though he got a lower share of the vote than romney). Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 13:56 on Sep 25, 2019 |
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Sep 25, 2019 13:54
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Primary polling is garbage thanks to low turnouts. I wouldn’t put much stock in it, especially this far out.
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The Rod Dreher stuff is pure gold.
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Sep 25, 2019 13:59
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FlamingLiberal posted:Primary polling is garbage thanks to low turnouts. I wouldn’t put much stock in it, especially this far out. at this point in 2007 obama was behind clinton 16 points and had been stagnant (and would slightly drop in october). for the gop mccain was in third - nearly 8 points behind fred thompson and nearly 13 points behind rudy.
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Serf posted:weeks ago we literally saw pollsters admit that they throw out numbers they don't like to get ones they do. polls are rigged and fake and you should stop being such a moron lol “Polling isn’t real” I assure myself as I close my eyes and plow my lovely campaign into a third place finish in Iowa.
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Groovelord Neato posted:at this point in 2007 obama was behind clinton 16 points and had been stagnant (and would slightly drop in october). for the gop mccain was in third - nearly 8 points behind fred thompson and nearly 13 points behind rudy. Also the whole enthusiasm thing that nobody has for Biden
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MadJackal posted:“Polling isn’t real” I assure myself as I close my eyes and plow my lovely campaign into a third place finish in Iowa. lmao shut the gently caress up liberal
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MadJackal posted:“Polling isn’t real” I assure myself as I close my eyes and plow my lovely campaign into a third place finish in Iowa. d&d is a few subforums up, Nate
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MadJackal posted:“Polling isn’t real” I assure myself as I close my eyes and plow my lovely campaign into a third place finish in Iowa. I mean, the chapos literally talked just this week about how sanders' core base is a traditionally unpolled coalition of youths and first time/lapsed voters so, yea?
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Stringent posted:2004 was after the Iraq invasion and lol @ Romney and McCain, but we'll see I guess. I think we should approach the election with an expectation of the worst possible case and prepare for that. exactly, bush was at the height of his popularity and actually did a ton of work boosting turnout especially with hispanic outreach. trump has near-universal approval among conservatives and still only got about a million more votes a decade later. meanwhile the average age of republican voters has gone up a lot faster than the overall electorate. something like 60% of them were over 50 in 2016 the 62-63 million mark is probably the ceiling for republican turnout or close enough to it. i'd agree that barring a major recession trump probably won't see a huge dropoff in turnout next year, but i don't think there'll be an increase
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Pellisworth posted:also for what it's worth I would vote for Bernie in the primary over Warren though it won't matter because I live in South Dakota. my objection is with Chapo's hatred for Warren when I perceive her to not be that much different from Sanders. she's okay, she's fine, she's sure as hell a lot better than Biden or Harris I understand that a lot of affluent educated liberals prefer Warren to Sanders because they, like Warren, are essentially conservatives who realize that the system needs some mild reform. But as someone who says they're for Bernie, I'm just baffled that you can think Warren is anything other than a fake, dishonest substitute for Sanders, put forth by the donor class.
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Stringent posted:I think we should approach the election with an expectation of the worst possible case and prepare for that. Biden/Kamala ticket wins with Republican supermajority in both chambers
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Lmao wrong thread
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Stringent posted:Nah, Trump's gonna get a much stronger turnout this time. A bunch of chuds stayed home in 2016 because everyone knew it was her turn. They're all showing up this time. Stringent posted:I think we should approach the election with an expectation of the worst possible case and prepare for that.
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Pellisworth posted:So then why should I vote for Bernie over Warren, if stated policy positions don't matter? he wasn't a republican until 1996 and doesn't have that massive blood test debacle hanging over his head
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:he wasn't a republican until 1996 and doesn't have that massive blood test debacle hanging over his head Plus, it would kick so much rear end having almost-Larry David as the president. 
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i will say Warren is significantly better than any other non-Bernie candidate in the field but she's significantly worse than Bernie himself.
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MadJackal posted:“Polling isn’t real” I assure myself as I close my eyes and plow my lovely campaign into a third place finish in Iowa. Stop posting. kill yourself
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https://twitter.com/cushbomb/status/1176875845711011841 https://twitter.com/cushbomb/status/1176879813300228096
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I'd fund a separate Patreon forcing Matt to watch the View and provide continual commentary.
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MadJackal posted:“Polling isn’t real” I assure myself as I close my eyes and plow my lovely campaign into a third place finish in Iowa. Donald Trump is president
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Chexoid posted:Will introducing a game he really loves on the newest Left Trigger is very pure and adorable. smh at Will saying they didn't do a remake of the first one 
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Well I guess it was inevitable that they would decide that Warren is now Hillary Clinton 2.0 but also a Manchurian candidate reactionary. Neat.
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Where's the lie
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supporting warren is looking back on all the mistakes hillary supporters made in 2016 and deciding to copy it. even if warren is not some exact clone of clinton, it’s like poetry, it rhymes
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lmao she's literally sucking up to democrat power figures with hand-written notes
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Weird but true Bernie has never hand written a note
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TheLoquid posted:Well I guess it was inevitable that they would decide that Warren is now Hillary Clinton 2.0 but also a Manchurian candidate reactionary. Neat. Hillary Clinton 1.0 was a Manchurian candidate reactionary.
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MadJackal posted:“Polling isn’t real” I assure myself as I close my eyes and plow my lovely campaign into a third place finish in Iowa. Hillary won the polls and lost the election you loving dumbshit lmao
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TheLoquid posted:Weird but true Bernie has never hand written a note bernie doesn't know how to read or write
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Is today international carry water for warren for no real reason day or something?
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