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theflyingorc posted:actually you'll find this exonerates him a whole lot Dunno if insanity plea will be viable at this point.
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Sep 25, 2019 16:20
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Imagine, we're going to have months and months of days with info releases just like today when impeachment happens. Not to mention all the new bullshit Trump will pull out of frustration. It's getting me positively giddy.
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Sep 25, 2019 16:20
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Idk seems like the manuscript makes things look pretty ok for Trump. No direct demand for exchange of aid for an investigation. Not great. Unlikely criminal. You guys dying for a Trump comeuppance will likely be disappointed... again
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DandyLion posted:Ha, here we see Trump trying to wiggle his way out of this one! The change being this is now an official investigation. And this paper is even more damning than people thought he'd release. hobbez posted:Not great. Unlikely criminal. .....uhhhhh....
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hobbez posted:Idk seems like the manuscript makes things look pretty ok for Trump. No direct demand for exchange of aid for an investigation. 
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Sep 25, 2019 16:22
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Uhhhh is not a counter argument
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hobbez posted:Idk seems like the manuscript makes things look pretty ok for Trump. No direct demand for exchange of aid for an investigation. Lindsey Graham sockpuppet account spotted.
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Sep 25, 2019 16:22
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Neither is this
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Sep 25, 2019 16:23
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hobbez posted:Idk seems like the manuscript makes things look pretty ok for Trump. No direct demand for exchange of aid for an investigation. Hey genius, care to chime in on why you think they squashed the whistleblower's complaint?
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Sep 25, 2019 16:23
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I remember this being mentionned in the past, but reading through the "transcript", it's particularly clear: Being a stenographer on a Trump phone call must be hellishly difficult.
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Sep 25, 2019 16:23
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Didn’t the Ukraine stop cooperating with the Mueller investigation after they got javelin missiles? Probably not the first time Trump has had this interaction.
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Sep 25, 2019 16:23
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DandyLion posted:Ha, here we see Trump trying to wiggle his way out of this one! You know there is no law you have to repeat every tweet you saw every chance you get, right? Like it was just some joke some guy made not some weird propoganda slogan you need to chant to make sure no one talks about anything.
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Sep 25, 2019 16:23
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hobbez posted:Neither is this "Work with my PERSONAL LAWYER to investigate my opponents" is incredibly loving illegal This Intelligence guy didn't blow the whistle for nothing.
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Sep 25, 2019 16:24
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Guze posted:He was right about this surprising people.
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Sep 25, 2019 16:25
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hobbez posted:Uhhhh is not a counter argument 2. It's an obvious shakedown 3. This is literally their best defense, there are multiple other phone calls 4. Pelosi ALREADY SAID she doesn't care about whether or not there is quid pro quo 5. This is an abuse of power no matter what 6. Ukraine is dependent on the US in many, many ways. Your post is like saying "it wasn't an abuse of power that he slept with an employee he manages! He never actually said he'd fire her if she refused!"
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Sep 25, 2019 16:25
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scopes posted:Hey genius, care to chime in on why you think they squashed the whistleblower's complaint? Such anger and animosity. I mean we’ll see. It will probably come out. When it does, well see if there’s more that we’re unaware of at this point. It’s possible the administrations story is true and the they didn’t find it warranted further follow up, falling under the umbrella of presidential discretion
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hobbez posted:Uhhhh is not a counter argument a counter argument requires an argument instead of a nutbar shouting the sky is green
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I honestly doubt the average American cares about Trump trying to get Biden's dipshit son investigated for obvious corruption, even if he broke the law in asking.
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Sep 25, 2019 16:26
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hobbez posted:Idk seems like the manuscript makes things look pretty ok for Trump. No direct demand for exchange of aid for an investigation. Yeah and some people just really love talking about snow and expressing the worry that nice stores will be set on fire.
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Mantis42 posted:I honestly doubt the average American cares about Trump trying to get Biden's dipshit son investigated for obvious corruption, even if he broke the law in asking. That's why they're going to let a bunch of other investigations play out between now and either a vote on articles of impeachment or the election, whichever comes first.
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Sep 25, 2019 16:27
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Mantis42 posted:I honestly doubt the average American cares about Trump trying to get Biden's dipshit son investigated for obvious corruption, even if he broke the law in asking.
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Sep 25, 2019 16:27
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Dems need to drag Rudy’s old rear end in front of this committee ASAP
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Mantis42 posted:I honestly doubt the average American cares about Trump trying to get Biden's dipshit son investigated for obvious corruption, even if he broke the law in asking. Focusing on any one crime, even one as easily understood as this one, for impeachment would be a mistake imo, and that's why I'm happy that's not what Pelosi seems to be doing (in that she has the six committee members each gathering their own lists of relevant crimes). The goal should be to surround Trump with a miasma of lawlessness, not just focus on the one bad thing.
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Mantis42 posted:I honestly doubt the average American cares about Trump trying to get Biden's dipshit son investigated for obvious corruption, even if he broke the law in asking. the allegations of corruption have been definitively, repeatedly disproven so much so that even the post and the NYT don't both-sides them
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Sep 25, 2019 16:28
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hobbez posted:Such anger and animosity. Gotta love the classics.
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Sep 25, 2019 16:28
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Good to see the forums’ chuds are making their way into the thread to try to play down the transcripts and exonerate big orange daddy. Weird they’re getting nervous.
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Sep 25, 2019 16:29
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hobbez posted:Such anger and animosity. Guess what? That's part of the problem! Whistleblowers do NOT GO THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATION! That's part of the entire problem. Trump doesn't get to decide when he did and did not overstep his bounds, that's the entire point of the Whistleblower system. The Senate and Congress are the endpoints of the Whistleblower laws, not the President.
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Arist posted:Focusing on any one crime, even one as easily understood as this one, for impeachment would be a mistake imo, and that's why I'm happy that's not what Pelosi seems to be doing (in that she has the six committee members each gathering their own lists of relevant crimes). The goal should be to surround Trump with a miasma of lawlessness. you need one simple, easy to understand crime to serve as the tentpole of the impeachment effort that doesn't mean you don't throw all the other criminality in, it just means you need to make sure you get that simple bullet-point crime across loud and clear
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evilweasel posted:you need one simple, easy to understand crime to serve as the tentpole of the impeachment effort Yeah fair. I wasn't trying to say we shouldn't have a tentpole, just that we shouldn't ignore all the other poo poo.
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DC Murderverse posted:yeah as an Iowan who's been following this story from the outset, the racist tweets were a pair of dumb jokes made 7 years ago when the dude was 16 that were based off of Tosh.0 jokes. He made a very good public apology where he basically said "yeah those jokes were gross and the stuff I thought was funny back then makes me sick, since then I've learned why those are wrong and I strive to do better," which sorta bears out with the whole "helped raise over a million dollars for a children's hospital" thing. i forgive him. people are capable of great change.
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even if the "transcript" hadn't been insane the could and should impeach him for blocking the whistleblower complaint. same thing with the constant obstruction of the mueller investigation.
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theflyingorc posted:1. Impeachment does not require a criminal offense, "high crimes and misdemeanors" is vague on purpose Right, I’m familiar with the qualifications for impeachment. I guess it depends on how far you think this goes wrt crimes and misdemeanors. And, I mean, I don’t want to go “but BIDEN”, but wasn’t his involvement in the firing of the prosecutor a little sketchy? Didn’t it directly benefit Hunter? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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hobbez posted:Such anger and animosity. When was the last time Trump told the truth about something? Point to it. Why do you think he has any capacity for truth telling?
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hobbez posted:And, I mean, I don’t want to go “but BIDEN”, but wasn’t his involvement in the firing of the prosecutor a little sketchy? Didn’t it directly benefit Hunter? The investigation was already over when he suggested they fire him. But way to shift those goal posts away from a sitting US President suggesting a country work with his personal lawyer to investigate his political rivals in order to receive funding.
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hobbez posted:
The prosecutor was fired because he wasn't investigating anyone, a broad coalition of countries wanted this guy gone. There was never an investigation into Hunter, you're stupid.
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The echo chamber in here is incredible. Just a little diversity of opinion. I can be convinced I’m incorrect (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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https://twitter.com/cushbomb/status/1176875845711011841 https://twitter.com/cushbomb/status/1176879813300228096
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hobbez posted:The echo chamber in here is incredible. Just a little diversity of opinion. I can be convinced I’m incorrect You have not demonstrated that.
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hobbez posted:And, I mean, I don’t want to go “but BIDEN”, but wasn’t his involvement in the firing of the prosecutor a little sketchy? Didn’t it directly benefit Hunter? not in the least, because the corrupt prosecutor dropped the investigation a year before biden (on behalf of the President and the entire EU) pushed for the corrupt prosecutor to be fired there's loads more reasons why the claim has been utterly discredited but i'm going to keep it simple: you don't fire the corrupt prosecutor who didn't prosecute your kid in order to protect your kid
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