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I’m not actually invested in Joel being dead, I just think it’s funny how mad it makes people (also he’s dead).
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enojy posted:I haven't really followed the hype -- why does everybody think Joel is dead/dies in TLOU2? The premise of him being a hallucination of Ellie's is a good one, since I'd imagine growing up the way that she did had some significant impact on her mental state. But he's in every trailer innit?? Joel wasn't in like, two of the trailers they showed beforehand and people have absolutely 0 object permanence and assumed that he was dead based on that. No one decided Tommy was dead despite him not being in the trailers up till not but Joel was definitely in the grave based on not making an appearance.
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Sep 25, 2019 13:36
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Donovan Trip posted:There's a rumor Disney is steamed off right now because Disney doesn't have faith in Brie Larsen carrying Captain Marvel by herself and planned to have Spiderman help carry the trilogy. Disney folks straight up saying Brie just isn't very likeable or whatever and they need a guy to lead the movies gently caress disney lmao. yeah this was invented whole cloth by some incel social media account that is still screaming about The Last Jedi
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Sep 25, 2019 13:38
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RareAcumen posted:Joel wasn't in like, two of the trailers they showed beforehand and people have absolutely 0 object permanence and assumed that he was dead based on that. Going to be surprised if most the game doesn't end up being you running around/fighting as Ellie with Joel due to his olde age filling in as the assistant character you have to find ladders and floating objects for constantly.
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Sep 25, 2019 13:42
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I'm actually a little curious how TLOU2's story ends up. With how popular deliberate misdirection is these days and the way the trailer was cut, I'm thinking they're gonna subvert people's expectations and Ellie's girlfriend doesn't die, but instead becomes the villain or something. It's super cliche, but fitting given how the first game started with Sarah dying in the most telegraphed way possible. The problem with that theory is that somebody else important to Ellie would then have to die to send her on a rampage and there's no way they'll kill Joel right at the start of the game. So maybe the misdirection is that there is no misdirection, who knows!
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Sep 25, 2019 14:00
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Ruflux posted:
I could see them doing something like with Rost in Horizon where they do it like a solid act into the game instead of the beginning. Or even something where he's still around but injured or otherwise incapacitated so he's not directly with you.
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Sep 25, 2019 14:13
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Tbh I'd be pretty dissapointed if they didnt have at least a level or two where you play as either one while the other is the companion NPC like in the original.
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Sep 25, 2019 14:20
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It's really the reveal trailer's fault. After murderizing a whole house of dudes, apparently by herself, Joel shows up and calmly asks her what she's doing. This doesn't make sense even as a rhetorical question because if they were together he would know what and why she's she's doing it. The whole thing just seems framed that way. The new trailer kind of contradicts him being a hallucination that she's aware of so at the very least he's not dead at the beginning.
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RareAcumen posted:Joel wasn't in like, two of the trailers they showed beforehand and people have absolutely 0 object permanence and assumed that he was dead based on that. Now now, gamers have object permanence. However the only objects, plot, characters, and gameplay that they believe exist are the ones that are explicitly in the trailer. Also see: basing Horizon's quality on a single quest in a gameplay video, worrying furtively if Aeris was going to be in FF7 due to not being in the very first trailer, and immediately believing Joel was dead because the TLOU2 - a game whose focus is entirely on Ellie - didn't have him in it.
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Sep 25, 2019 14:22
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Please change thread title to Sony PlayStation 4: Ellie, your girlfriend been fridged yo
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exquisite tea posted:Please change thread title to Sony PlayStation 4: Ellie, your girlfriend been fridged yo Yeah I'm worried about this happening to the point where I will be pleasantly surprised if it doesn't.
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Sep 25, 2019 14:23
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I think the games that use this script are AAA confort food 1: [scripted talking heads] [shot from cover gameplay] [scripted talking heads] [shot from cover gameplay] [epic setpiece] Goto 1
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Sep 25, 2019 14:26
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I actually don't think Ellie's gf is dead, too obvious and the gunshot sound could have easily been added as a misdirect. Instead she'll be captured + separated and TLOU2 will be a journey into the underworld narrative with your spirit guide Joel (who is a ghost).
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Sep 25, 2019 14:27
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Oh yeah also the girlfriend was revealed much later so there was literally nothing people could think of that would get Ellie so worked up besides Joel getting killed.
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exquisite tea posted:I actually don't think Ellie's gf is dead, too obvious and the gunshot sound could have easily been added as a misdirect. Instead she'll be captured + separated and TLOU2 will be a journey into the underworld narrative with your spirit guide Joel (who is a ghost). Ellblade
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Sep 25, 2019 14:40
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Yeah my working theory of "Joel is dead/GF is alive" is based almost entirely on my hypothesizing on what media Druckmann and co. have absorbed in the past decade and what they would consider good storytelling for their stated theme of Hatred
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Sep 25, 2019 14:48
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Yeah my working theory of "Joel is dead/GF is alive" is based almost entirely on my hypothesizing on what media Druckmann and co. have absorbed in the past decade and what they would consider good storytelling for their stated theme of Hatred Galaxy brain: GF killed Joel
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Sep 25, 2019 15:01
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Ellie, Joel, and Ellie's girlfriend are all the same person.
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Kraps posted:It's really the reveal trailer's fault. After murderizing a whole house of dudes, apparently by herself, Joel shows up and calmly asks her what she's doing. This doesn't make sense even as a rhetorical question because if they were together he would know what and why she's she's doing it. The whole thing just seems framed that way. The new trailer kind of contradicts him being a hallucination that she's aware of so at the very least he's not dead at the beginning. The reveal trailer should be completely ignored, as it was a scene made solely for that trailer, not actually a part of the game. Druckmann tweeted about it at some point but I'm too lazy to go find the relevant tweet right now. If that's what the Joel is dead theory hinges on then I would definitely not put any stock in it.
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Sep 25, 2019 15:03
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Joel turns into Ellie's girlfriend and it becomes the plot to that Detective Pikachu movie.
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Sep 25, 2019 15:26
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All humans died The zombies have evolved a new civilization that play videogames that recreate the life of the last survivors You play has a character in a videogame
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Sep 25, 2019 15:52
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Ruflux posted:I'm actually a little curious how TLOU2's story ends up. With how popular deliberate misdirection is these days and the way the trailer was cut, I'm thinking they're gonna subvert people's expectations and Ellie's girlfriend doesn't die, but instead becomes the villain or something. I had that thought as well, but I'm not sure if "girlfriend is actually evil" is much better than "girlfriend dies." Still seems pretty crappy to tease a fridging even if it is a fakeout, though.
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Sep 25, 2019 15:58
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At the end of the game, the camera zooms out into space and darkness fills the screen which is eventually revealed to be Joel’s pupil as he stares down the doctors in his final meditation on whether or not to save Ellie.
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Sep 25, 2019 15:59
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haveblue posted:People are try to set up "called it!" posts later because internet cred is more important than engaging with what the promo material is actually saying Oh god whatever.
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Sep 25, 2019 16:21
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bloodychill posted:At the end of the game, the camera zooms out into space and darkness fills the screen which is eventually revealed to be Joel’s pupil as he stares down the doctors in his final meditation on whether or not to save Ellie. At the end of the game, the camera zooms out revealing that the city is in a snowglobe and the entire series' events were the daydreams of a young boy with autism.
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Sep 25, 2019 16:33
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Joel is sled
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veni veni veni posted:Oh god whatever. I thought they kinda hit the nail on the head tbqh
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"There's no way Joel is dead" says increasingly nervous gamer for the third cinematic trailer this year.
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Sep 25, 2019 16:35
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Joel is neither alive nor dead because he's a fictional character.
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Serious answer for the guy who asked. Naughty Dog released an announcement trailer for TLOU 2 that invited a lot of speculation due to how it presented Joel. The trailer takes place after a bloody melee, Joel walks in from the sun looking like Jesus, clean and pristine while Ellie is beat up and covered in blood. It doesn’t really appear that he was involved at all. His face isn’t directly shown etc. This lead people to think that Joel is part of Ellie’s imagination in this scene and therefore dead. It’s just speculation based on some really suspect stuff in that trailer. No one knows for sure. But it isn’t baseless. But that is really all there is to it. For some reason people have a real bug up their rear end about people who didn’t just take the trailer at face value, leading them to make really dumb posts about it.
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Sep 25, 2019 16:41
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The people who are mad that some people think he is dead seem 100% more concerned with proving people wrong than the ones that do hth.
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Sep 25, 2019 16:42
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Oh no Ellie's girlfriend was the evil mastermind all along 
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Sep 25, 2019 16:43
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The Last of Us Part II is actually a remake of 13 Reasons Why Season 2.
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Sep 25, 2019 16:48
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The way he pops in the new trailer is also consistent with shows like Mr. Robot that have a similar psychological premise, and fact it happens right when she's panicking could be seen as "what do I do - what would Joel do - in this situation?".
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Sep 25, 2019 16:51
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In the final scene, right after Ellie kills the fungus queen and ends the plague, Joel will shout "psyche" and turn into a skeleton
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Sep 25, 2019 16:55
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haveblue posted:In the final scene, right after Ellie kills the fungus queen and ends the plague, Joel will shout "psyche" and turn into a skeleton Grimly looking upon her charred remains, Joel somberly remarks, "there must always be a Fungus Queen" as he transforms into a dark but beautiful plague enchantress.
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Joel is Ellie's conscience and at the end she shoots herself to kill him and accept her role as the true villian of the series. See you in Part lll.
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Sep 25, 2019 17:01
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It ends with Nathan Drake waking up in bed and telling Elena about his horrible nightmare.
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veni veni veni posted:Serious answer for the guy who asked. Naughty Dog released an announcement trailer for TLOU 2 that invited a lot of speculation due to how it presented Joel. The trailer takes place after a bloody melee, Joel walks in from the sun looking like Jesus, clean and pristine while Ellie is beat up and covered in blood. It doesn’t really appear that he was involved at all. His face isn’t directly shown etc. This lead people to think that Joel is part of Ellie’s imagination in this scene and therefore dead. It’s just speculation based on some really suspect stuff in that trailer. No one knows for sure. But it isn’t baseless. But that is really all there is to it. Well see Ellie has survived a series of increasingly improbable scenarios, which means that she clearly is already dead all along, all the facts point towards this. Hector Delgado posted:It ends with Nathan Drake waking up in bed and telling Elena about his horrible nightmare. TLOU is actually another game that the girl at the end of Uncharted 4 is playing, which will be revealed after the game is finished.
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Joel actually died in Winter and Ellie is still with David's group.
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