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Dr Christmas posted:I’m thinking about the Trump tweet where he says he wants the transcript to get out because it’s “a perfect call” that’ll surprise everyone. “A perfect call” is just such a weird thing to say. Everything with him is “perfect” the “biggest” “most beautiful”.
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I'm a little puzzled at the continued criticism of Pelosi, she's finally doing what she needs to be doing. Nonetheless, here we are and the impeachment is finally happening. I mean I'm all still in favor of running her out of the party on a rail forever variety of reasons, not least of all her hesitation to begin impeachment, but that can wait until after we've dealt with Trump. Also I'm going to be cautiously optimistic here. The Senate might just vote to convict, based on how establishment Republicans are reacting. They're starting to switch over in to cover my rear end mode, because they're altar D at. Of them know just how far this investigation is going to go. (But they know exactly where they'd like it to stop- right before it reaches their personal doorstep). No one believes the Trump crew can handle this competently, I mean look at how quickly they are falling apart now that they are facing real opposition. The opportunistic Psychopaths that make up the bulk of the upper echelons of the Republican Party can spot when they're on the decks of the Titanic- and I do believe they're going to try their damnedest to make sure they get their slot on the lifeboats. The rage-a-thon we are about to witness from Trump is going to be unlike anything we've seen so far- we might even get some sort of profanity-laden breakdown on live television. (If not that, then Trump's going to come mighty fuckin close to something like that.)
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evilweasel posted:nixon is still pretty much considered a failure despite a reasonably successful presidential term ignoring the one minor issue I mean there was a fair amount of rehabilitation of said issue, such in that people started wondering what Nixon ever really did wrong in the first place.
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evilweasel posted:Mitch can desperately want Trump to resign all he wants. Doesn't mean he has the power to do it when his only threat - that he'll get a third of his caucus to stab dear leader in the front - is hollow and everyone knows it. Its craven self interest, hollow or not. How many Senators could be taken out by a thorough House investigation when transcripts really start flowing? Anyone that's been trying to help Trump is vulnerable. He absolutely has the power to do it. He's the only one who does. His move now is to prove to his caucus that stabbing Trump will do nothing, if but help his caucus. I think McConnell himself is under threat here, considering his wife has been working in the Trump admin supposedly strong arming Senators. BlueBlazer fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Sep 25, 2019 |
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The real problem is that when he kicks it he gets to lie in state and everyone will insist we mourn and eulogize him
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Sep 25, 2019 18:56
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The GOP knows they are the party of Trump now. The Senate will never vote to remove him, any thinking beyond that is delusional.
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He's just quoting people that are regurgitating the talking points that he told them to say.
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Prester Jane posted:I'm a little puzzled at the continued criticism of Pelosi, she's finally doing what she needs to be doing. Nonetheless, here we are and the impeachment is finally happening. It's because a lot of folks on twitter and other places are lauding her as a brave hero for finally being dragged kicking and screaming into taking action. I don't think there are too many people here lionizing her, which is good, but still, she sucks.
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RE: GOP Senators on the actual vote to impeach, I'm thinking back to poker strategy. The whole point of playing good poker isn't necessarily to always make the right call in close situations but rather to constantly put your opponents in positions where they had to make tough calls. I'm thinking the Dem philosophy on impeachment should be just that, force the GOP to take a tough vote that no matter how they decide will likely be a net negative for them.
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ShutteredIn posted:The GOP knows they are the party of Trump now. The Senate will never vote to remove him, any thinking beyond that is delusional. Why? The best he has over them is "if I go down we all go down", which is pretty much overthrown if they flip on him.
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BlueBlazer posted:Its craven self interest, hollow or not. How many Senators could be taken out by a thorough House investigation when transcripts really start flowing? zero, especially as the house has no jurisdiction to investigate the senate at the end of the day trump is beloved by enough of the republican base that if you go against him enough he comes out against you you're likely to lose your primary, and that's on matters much more minor than actually deposing him
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So one Republican talking point I've seen is that the whistleblower didn't have firsthand information on the calls/content. This seems to back that up a bit: https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1176914168823332864?s=20 But at this point, I'm not sure it matters. It does seem to call into question whether the whistleblower protections can/should apply though, based on that thread. Does it matter that the complainant only seems to have heard about the calls from "white house officials?"
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Sep 25, 2019 18:58
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Majorian posted:because a lot of folks on twitter and other places Who gives a poo poo
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evilweasel posted:there's not. 25th amendment, section 2. Mick mulvaney, acting Vice President
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evilweasel posted:zero, especially as the house has no jurisdiction to investigate the senate I mean, Trump-backed candidates haven't exactly been winning primaries either, much less full electoins.
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evilweasel posted:nixon is still pretty much considered a failure despite a reasonably successful presidential term ignoring the one minor issue its actually fluxuated through the years. right now he is hated again because of trump and various really good books and various stuff from his library becoming public. Prester Jane posted:I'm a little puzzled at the continued criticism of Pelosi, she's finally doing what she needs to be doing. Nonetheless, here we are and the impeachment is finally happening. yeah. i think she bent the knee to pressure and is doing the right thing. as long as she keeps doing said right thing. i am fine. i kinda figured the senate might start thinking of loving over trump(they might/might not) but i am surprised how fast shits happening and whats being said/inferred/not said.
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Spiritus Nox posted:Who gives a poo poo PJ asked where the criticism was coming from, I explained it.  FizFashizzle posted:Mick mulvaney, acting Vice President Seems like that would be a demotion for him at this point.
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Majorian posted:It's because a lot of folks on twitter and other places are lauding her as a brave hero for finally being dragged kicking and screaming into taking action. I don't think there are too many people here lionizing her, which is good, but still, she sucks. Maj-o I like your posting but the point of politics isn't to correctly identify who the good people and the bad people are and put them on the good person list and the bad person list. Pelosi just did what you wanted at an extremely opportune time to do so. The fact that there existed a universe where she never did what you wanted does not seem to be an important thing to discuss?
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CuddleCryptid posted:Why? The best he has over them is "if I go down we all go down", which is pretty much overthrown if they flip on him. At least a couple of them have said "off the record" to reporters that they genuinely fear Trump will tell his supporters to murder them if they don't play ball
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I really think Trump is going to shut the government down again to try and hold it hostage to stop the investigations.
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sean10mm posted:The point is that Pence is so incompetent that he had 40% approval as a Republican in this place: Sure, but only people in Indiana know this. After impeachment and removal, Pence would come in with at least a 60% national approval rate for not being Trump. His honeymoon period goes right into the election. The Decorum Dems in congress will work with him. As long as he doesn't step on his dick in an outrageously unexpected way, his competence will be graded on a curve with one end of it being motherfucking Trump. I know reliable Dem voters who say things like "at least Pence wouldn't be _____" fill in the blank with anything from "embarrassing" to "accidentally starting a war with Uruguay in a 3AM poop tweet", and those people won't vote for him but uninformed "likely dem" voters will mostly see him as another interchangeable suit and their energy and turnout will be bad, which is all that's needed for him to win. I'm not prognosticating here, but I do think it's a credible threat. If the dems in general were really excited about progressive causes, Biden wouldn't be anywhere near the lead, let alone in it. The motivation right now is Trump ouster >>>>>>> specific policies. I also think it doesn't matter because the Senate won't remove Trump, just to be clear.
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Prester Jane posted:I'm a little puzzled at the continued criticism of Pelosi, she's finally doing what she needs to be doing. Nonetheless, here we are and the impeachment is finally happening. How do these paragraphs coexist
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CuddleCryptid posted:Why? The best he has over them is "if I go down we all go down", which is pretty much overthrown if they flip on him. a trump who has been kicked out of office has way more time to go around campaigning against every senator who impeached him in favor of any other primary candidate at all
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As laughable as a conviction by the Senate is, I find the idea of Trump resigning so impossible I can’t imagine what would even cause it.
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evilweasel posted:a trump who has been kicked out of office has way more time to go around campaigning against every senator who impeached him in favor of any other primary candidate at all Imagine how much he will tweet when he doesn't even have to pretend to be busy
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I really think Trump is going to shut the government down again to try and hold it hostage to stop the investigations. That's pretty much a certainty at this point. I'm eager to see how he shoots himself in the foot from here in out trying to stop the investigation. This will be like Russia times ten.
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The Bloop posted:Sure, but only people in Indiana know this.
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Why would any Republican vote against Trump? They instantly lose all of the conservatives, and are all so deep in Trump poo poo that they won’t stem any of the anti-Trump vote against them. Not even Olympia Snowe will cave.
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evilweasel posted:a trump who has been kicked out of office has way more time to go around campaigning against every senator who impeached him in favor of any other primary candidate at all Oh God, post presidency Trump us going to be loving awful.
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evilweasel posted:zero, especially as the house has no jurisdiction to investigate the senate Then whats with the border emergency declaration? That's like the one important thing to Trumps base he can point to, why would McConnell allow that to come to vote?
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theflyingorc posted:Maj-o I like your posting but the point of politics isn't to correctly identify who the good people and the bad people are and put them on the good person list and the bad person list. I'm glad she did this now, but as I said earlier, I don't buy that she couldn't have launched impeachment-related investigations. We could have gotten to this point a lot sooner, and our political system would be a lot healthier for it.
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Majorian posted:It's because a lot of folks on twitter and other places are lauding her as a brave hero for finally being dragged kicking and screaming into taking action. I don't think there are too many people here lionizing her, which is good, but still, she sucks. I mean yeah, she sucks. But as long as she zealously pursues impeachment against Trump there's really no reason to get too upset with her at the moment. Let the cheerleaders cheer for now imo: as a leader Pelosi can be a focal point for the people's outrage and channel that into useful momentum, and although she is a very flawed a prism for this sort of moment- she's the prism in position at the moment. What I'm saying is we can have the leftist infight another day, you don't necessarily have to cheer for Pelosi and certainly don't overlook her many flaws, but for the moment I think the centrist cheer section does more good than harm.* *for this brief, singular moment in history, Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Sep 25, 2019 |
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Edmund Lava posted:As laughable as a conviction by the Senate is, I find the idea of Trump resigning so impossible I can’t imagine what would even cause it. yeah I think this is flatly impossible, Trump will never resign.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Oh God, post presidency Trump us going to be loving awful. He was going to be a nightmare since the very moment he won the Republican nomination.
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TyrantWD posted:Why would any Republican vote against Trump? They instantly lose all of the conservatives, and are all so deep in Trump poo poo that they won’t stem any of the anti-Trump vote against them. She’s in so deep that she won’t vote to remove even despite not being in Congress anymore
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evilweasel posted:a trump who has been kicked out of office has way more time to go around campaigning against every senator who impeached him in favor of any other primary candidate at all I feel like trump strokes out or literally ends up in a care home within weeks of leaving office. With how utterly out of it he's been in all of his live appearances lately it's hard to see how he'd even campaign for himself, much less against others.
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TyrantWD posted:Why would any Republican vote against Trump? They instantly lose all of the conservatives, and are all so deep in Trump poo poo that they won’t stem any of the anti-Trump vote against them. the issue with republicans who need to care about the general isn't so much if they'll successfully be flipped - doesn't matter, there's not enough of them - but that they're placed in a no-win situation so it doesn't really matter what vote they take, it hurts them badly in their next election
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He is going to be exactly the same as he was before. He'll go back to his tower and his TV shows and his idiotic tweets like nothing ever happened.
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