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trump suing so he could ignore subpoenas is inarguably impeachable and they didn't start it up. poo poo like not immediately handing over the tax returns shoulda done it alone. it's good they're finally doing it but there was a lot worse before this.
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CommieGIR posted:https://www.thenation.com/article/mike-pence-is-still-to-blame-for-an-hiv-outbreak-in-indiana-but-for-new-reasons/ Also a whole bunch of HIV preventative funding goes into constantly testing the homeless population. When I was homeless in San Antonio the local health department was constantly going into homeless shelters and offering anyone and everyone a $10 Walmart gift card to get a 20-minute on-the-spot test done. (They would also occasionally set up shop at the more popular feedings.)
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I really think Trump is going to shut the government down again to try and hold it hostage to stop the investigations. I have to think that this is part of the reason why there was a delay in the process. When he still had a debt ceiling threat, Trump could have held the world economy hostage in a way a shutdown cannot. You had to find a way to defuse that issue without letting him know how much leverage it gave him.
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The fact that the democrats didn't immediately go on to punitive measures when trump officials were ignoring subpoena's is reason enough to continually give pelosi poo poo.
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Angry_Ed posted:weird how it's not in the article, something that could easily be updated, then. you've cracked the ca....oh quote:House Democrats are coalescing around a strategy to narrow the focus of their impeachment inquiry to President Donald Trump's interactions with Ukraine's leader, an issue that has unified the party in outrage and motivated some Democrats to seek expedited action. he tweeted the info, then he went to update the article
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evilweasel posted:senate rules have a lot of "must" and "shall" about actually immediately holding the trial. also, Justice Roberts theoretically presides, though I don't know what precise powers he will have. Thanks! Looking into it a bit, apparently "the Senate Will Duly Inform the House of Representatives When Ready for the Trial." So, if the Senate is just too gosh darned busy with elections coming up, they could just delay taking it up till after the election then?
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Solaris 2.0 posted:When does the government run out of money? I know I posted a link earlier that said "November 21st" but can someone confirm? Doing that would basically be an admission of guilt, and make things even worse for his re-election hopes. He is probably going to go around offering a big infrastructure plan and then say he can’t work with the Democrats to make it official because of the investigation. There definitely won’t be any shutdowns a year out from the election. The GOP are idiots, but they probably learned that lesson.
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Dick Trauma posted:He is going to be exactly the same as he was before. He'll go back to his tower and his TV shows and his idiotic tweets like nothing ever happened. There is the chance that Twitter bans him once he's no longer president. Remote, but possible. Shimrra Jamaane posted:I really think Trump is going to shut the government down again to try and hold it hostage to stop the investigations. "I'm using my official powers to block funding until you do what benefits me personally" might be the worst possible way for Trump to respond to this. So that's almost guaranteed to happen.
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Monaghan posted:The fact that the democrats didn't immediately go on to punitive measures when trump officials were ignoring subpoena's is reason enough to continually give pelosi poo poo. iirc that's mostly on the committee chairmen/women and i thought i recalled her saying that nadler should have locked up lendowski last week
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Willo567 posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1176888945940074497 “HOW STUPID ARE YOU, YOU CANT VOTE ON IMPEACHMENT WITHOUT INVESTIGATING FIRST” followed immediately by “STOP INVESTIGATING VOTE VOTE VOTE” certainly doesn’t sound like someone desperate to find something, anything that sticks as defense
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evilweasel posted:you've cracked the ca....oh Yeah I already edited my post because they updated the article without even saying that they did. That information was not there in the initial release. However, that still doesn't say what you want it to say. "some democrats" doesn't equal a majority of democrats, or "an increasing number of democrats" and hey you even left off the part where Ted Lieu says that yes, we should focus on the Ukraine call, but not hastily. Angry_Ed fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Sep 25, 2019 |
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Solaris 2.0 posted:When does the government run out of money? I know I posted a link earlier that said "November 21st" but can someone confirm? Congress is able to function just fine in a government shutdown.
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TyrantWD posted:Doing that would basically be an admission of guilt, and make things even worse for his re-election hopes. Uh They don't have control of him He caused the last one
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evilweasel posted:my personal view is not holding a trial at all would be more damaging than holding an immediate acquittal vote Yeah EW I have the same thought. It makes it way more damaging for the GOP because it so obviously looks like they're hiding something. "If he's innocent, why won't they hold the trial" would be the talking point of the day.
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Sep 25, 2019 19:21
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Dipshit is sitting down with the Ukrainian President right now. https://youtu.be/LotFcKcRHcU
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Sep 25, 2019 19:21
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lol https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/1176924146128818178
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TyrantWD posted:Doing that would basically be an admission of guilt, and make things even worse for his re-election hopes. i believe that he's using this as the reason he's officially killing the gun background checks which also strikes me as ... not a wise move
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Man, he really can't stop talking about shady poo poo in front of cameras.
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Sep 25, 2019 19:22
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https://twitter.com/cd_hooks/status/1176923211281420295 Ha
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Sep 25, 2019 19:22
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Man I don't envy Zelensky right now. His national defense hinges on this decidedly unhinged wannabe mobster moron with a mayfly's attention span and negative tact. What is he supposed to say? I would have loved to be a fly on the wall for whatever meeting he had last night leading up to this.
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Sep 25, 2019 19:23
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Beto really needs to drop out of the presidential race and run against this wizened crank already.
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theflyingorc posted:Uh There’s a remote possibility that McConnel walks into the Oval Office and promises Trump a “Yea” vote on impeachment and his swift removal from office, as well as a VP that will refuse to pardon him for his many, many, many crimes. Extremely remote, but could be possible.
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Sep 25, 2019 19:24
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Cornyn also said impeaching would be nullifying the popular will of the voters in 2016, which is hilariously stupid for several reasons
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Sep 25, 2019 19:24
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certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices
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https://twitter.com/cd_hooks/status/1176923743911862288 as a reminder the prescription drugs thing was basically trump looking at the democrats plan and going "that sounds good lets do that, people will love that" and republicans going NO NO NO STOP
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Groovelord Neato posted:trump suing so he could ignore subpoenas is inarguably impeachable and they didn't start it up. poo poo like not immediately handing over the tax returns shoulda done it alone. The politics of this particular crime (getting a foreign power to help you out in an election) suggests that most people think you are wrong. Its why the GOP immediately panicked and started screaming that the Russia stuff was not true, the alternative of trying to argue that its not that bad and who cares if its true is not a viable strategy outside a few nutters. Ukraine is a lot worse than Russia and seen as a lot worse than anything else Trump has done to this point (whether we agree on that or not) because this time instead of Putin helping candidate Trump on his own because he hated Hillary and Trump happily accepting, he is now allegedly using his office to bully another country into being forced to help him in 2020. I doubt he'll be removed from office because the redacted memo isn't clear enough for most people, but if we had theoretically an audio of Trump berating Ukraine for not going after Biden and holding military aid over his head in a direct threat, that would be game over, I think. Rigel fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Sep 25, 2019 |
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Groovelord Neato posted:this is stupid. Yeah this feels like another standard Democrat AW DARN moment in the making.
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Rigel posted:The politics of this particular crime (getting a foreign power to help you out in an election) suggests that most people think you are wrong. Its why the GOP immediately panicked and started screaming that the Russia stuff was not true, the alternative of trying to argue that its not that bad and who cares if its true is not a viable strategy outside a few nutters. as a reminder, we still don't have the paper trail showing exactly why the ukraine aid was withheld (we know why, but we don't have the paper showing how it was done) and that is...well, gonna be something
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In any sane reality the emoluments case against Trump alone is so incontrovertibly strong that it would be enough to sink him, but we live in hell and so these fucks happily taunt Democrats by flaunting the fact that they're staying at Trump properties.
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Trump press conference at 4pm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZoZmo97E-c
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https://twitter.com/Jim_Jordan/status/1176896624385302528?s=20 urge to tweet 'shut the gently caress up, gym jordan' rising
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evilweasel posted:you joke but actually yes, it was pelosi's office itself they sent it to (possibly among others) Just more proof Pelosi is part of the Controlled Opposition 
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Flesh Forge posted:Yeah this feels like another standard Democrat AW DARN moment in the making. https://twitter.com/rachaelmbade/status/1176921328030494720
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Really looking forward to the full tally of how much taxpayer money Trump will have paid himself, for every weekend he and his entourage spent at one of his properties. I bet it's going to be more money than he had before going into office 
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Apparently trump is using more mob pressure tactics to get Zalensky to exonerate him. Amazing. https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1176926850179842048
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Wow that sure sounds like consensus to me...said nobody ever. There's still no timetable given so this still doesn't mean anything yet.
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So now he's doubling down on the server being in Ukraine? Or who knows it's just glossolalia at this point.
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Sep 25, 2019 19:31
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Time at the receptionist at my House Rep's office
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