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I don't really know anything about recent monitors but I have to pick up a new one soon because the capacitors on my secondary monitor are dying and it's not much longer for this world. I'm only using a 970 so I don't really care about anything higher than 1080p, but I do like high refresh rates/low response time and I would like something that has actual HDR? My current primary monitor is a VG48 (I think this model) so I figure I'd find something that's an upgrade to that (it's TN) and relegate that to secondary status. My problem, though, is budget: I would like to spend under $400 but can stretch a bit higher if need be (especially if it ends up being an early christmas/birthday present) but anything $600+ is really out there. I imagine the HDR is what'll kill me on price even if I don't really care about going above 1080p, but at the very least some basic support + not being a TN panel should still be an upgrade? edit: am I missing anything or does this monitor do everything I want? what about this one? flatluigi fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Sep 20, 2019 |
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HDR is dumb and you shouldn't bother with it. Also I don't think I've seen a 1080p display with real HDR yet, or even 1440p one for that matter. I'd say the minimum benchmark for HDR is a display that can pass the HDR1000 mark, and the only ones that do that are the 2160p 27" screens that cost $2000 a piece and they make a lot of compromises to get there. So again, you shouldn't bother with HDR.
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thank you for all your alternative suggestions and feedback on the two monitors I linked
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Partly depends on how long you intend to keep the GPU. Freesync only works on 10 series and newer GPUs, although that's not a huge deal unless you never intend to upgrade. I'm not a fan of buying anything above budget monitors in the 1080p space. You don't need bright HDR on a monitor, it's pointless. They all produce far more brightness than you actually want. You sit a lot closer, so while 1000 nits might do something on a TV, on a monitor it serves no purpose but blinding you. Also, contrast ratios are garbage on LCDs and there's no good solution to that yet. The 1440p monitor is a decent deal at that price, but a lot of newer games will not be a great experience with that GPU. If you don't plan on upgrading any time soon and money is a real concern, why not just buy a $100 1080p 60hz IPS monitor? Use it for your desktop stuff, and use the high refresh monitor for games.
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K8.0 posted:Partly depends on how long you intend to keep the GPU. Freesync only works on 10 series and newer GPUs, although that's not a huge deal unless you never intend to upgrade. I'm not a fan of buying anything above budget monitors in the 1080p space. The budget stuff is really just because most of what I was looking at/getting recommendations elsewhere was going into the 700-1000 range and that's just really not happening for me. A GPU upgrade is not out of my future, no, and it'd be what I'd be getting if the monitor wasn't dying; if I hadn't been thinking of a GPU update for a while I would just get a cheapo secondary monitor instead of looking for something better than my current primary.
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I recently bought a 144hz Freesync monitor, but I'm a bit confused as to what graphics settings I should use to get the most use out of it while playing games. I originally thought that that Vsync should always be disabled when Freesync was active, but after doing some Googling it doesn't seem that to be that simple. I've found a lot of posts saying the best method is to leave V-sync enabled and set the target frame rate to a few FPS below the refresh rate of the monitor (141 in this case). Does that sound accurate? I've also read in a few places that it's better to set V-sync in the graphics card control panel instead of enabling it with in-game settings. Does that make sense?
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The capping at 141 FPS is a bunch of extra work that varies per game about what you should use to accomplish it (in-game cap vs rivatuner frame rate limiter vs something else), but depending on your system may reduce peak input latency by frame or two (and only when your framerate would otherwise be over 144 FPS where you hit vsync). It is also worth noting that two frames of additional latency at >144 Hz is still less time than one frame of additional latency at 60 Hz. So unless you are literally getting paid to win at video games just set forced vsync on in your driver control panel so you don't have to check in-game/per-game settings, enable freesync, and forget everything else. Also if you haven't already, set your windows desktop to 144 Hz.
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VRR only works if your framerate is below the max refresh rate of your monitor - or to be more accurate, if the interval between frames is longer than the refresh interval. Any time that's exceeded, you get standard vsync/no sync behavior, meaning either a bunch of latency or tearing. While VRR is active, vsync doesn't do much other than change the behavior of some buggy games. In general, leave vsync default on in control panel and in game. In practice, some games like Fallout 4 are very sensitive to vsync settings, so if you're seeing weird behavior google that game and find out if you need to force particular settings for it. Assuming you have an Nvidia GPU, use RTSS (comes with Afterburner) to cap your frame rate to 140. The timing method RTSS uses will max out a single core while you're gaming, but it's not actually putting any significant load on the system and doesn't really cost you performance. There are other ways to cap your framerate, but aside from a handful of games with well-implemented limiters, RTSS is going to give you significantly lower latency than any other option and it's a one stop shop that takes about 10 seconds to turn on. If you want to optimize a bit, you can google if the limiter is good for the game you want to play, and if it is, use the in-game one and create an RTSS profile that disables the limiter for that game.
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Gray Matter posted:Just pulled the trigger on a Viewsonic XG2402 from Newegg through eBay while they have the 10% eBay bucks promo and before they start charging sales tax to my state next month. Best 1080p TN gaming monitor in the price range by all accounts, now I just pray there's no screwy pixels. 144hz is remarkedly smoother and pleasing to use than 60hz, although not quite the caliber of earth-shattering experience I was led to believe. One thing I didn't expect to like as much as I do are the ergonomic features. Coming from a fixed stand, it feels so good to raise/lower and tilt the monitor to where I want it just so. I was concerned about dropping from my 27" to a 24" when monitor shopping, but I haven't noticed the loss in size at all, this one just feels so much better and sharper to look at. Strongly recommend it if you're looking for a 1080p display in 2019 with games in mind.
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Despite what you read online, modern TNs aren't entirely garbage after all and in fact are totally fine for a lot of purposes.
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Friends don't let friends buy TN panels
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VostokProgram posted:Friends don't let friends buy TN panels e: Samsung CF398 and Acer SB220Q, neither are ancient tech Gray Matter fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Sep 23, 2019 |
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Gray Matter posted:I mean, this is empirically better than both the VA panel I had and my secondary IPS monitor, sooooo... Yeah even "terrible" panels today can be better than expensive panels from yesteryear. Different strokes for different folks
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I guess YMMV but I liked my VA (Samsung U32H850) much more than this TN panel that's on the Alienware 2518HF. The viewing angles are atrocious and both color and contrast changes when you're even slightly off axis but that's not exactly a revelatory statement.
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Is it possible for monitors to develop 'burn in' as they get older? I have a Dell monitor which is about 7 years old now and just recently has started to 'burn in' Discord labels after a few hours. Shutting down my computer for the night seems to make the ghost images disappear for now but it's still annoying. I'm wondering what changed recently that I'm just now seeing this behavior.
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I've noticed the same thing on my Dell U2713HM's.
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For LCD's it's called image persistence and is almost always temporary. To be honest I haven't experienced it (knock on wood) on any of my newer monitors. But it used to happen to my 4:3 15" monitor, so you can imagine how old those could have been.
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Quickly forming image retention is usually a sign your monitor is starting to go.
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Aphrodite posted:Quickly forming image retention is usually a sign your monitor is starting to go. That’s a shame. I was expecting to get a bit more life out of this thing but i guess 7 years isn’t bad.
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Just an anecdote, but my Dell 2005FPW had strong image retention for things like the Firefox logo or the Start button within the first few years I owned it, 2007ish, to the point that I ran the "Electric Sheep" screen saver as a way to keep it cycling colors and even back out when I wasn't using it. That monitor is still operational as my server monitor right now and has no permanent retention. I had to replace a few capacitors in the power supply a few years back but the panel itself is still great.
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Yeah I won't be replacing it until the condition gets worse. If it stays at this level it's tolerable.
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MikeC posted:The LG 32 inch VA panel seems to have been well reviewed by Hardware unboxed and most reviews seem to indicate that the black to grey transitions aren't too bad. So the LG 32gk650f arrived late Thursday night and I dropped my new RX 5700xt into my ancient 2500k rig and have spent a good portion of the weekend swapping games on and off my SSDs and putting the new equipment through its paces. First off, 31.5 inches feels huge on my desk. I was playing games on what now feels like a puny 24 inch display and it is awesome. I loaded up a wanabe taticool shooter called Squad and pixel hunting for enemy soldiers feels much more immersive with the huge screen. Warhammer Total War 2 battles look incredible. VRR and 144 Hz has also been game-changing. Going from a Vsync'd 60Hz monitor to this makes everything feel so much better in games. No more having to decide between micro stuttering and imaging tearing is great. The image sharpness looks better in games than my old 1080p monitor which doesn't make much sense since from what I understand 1440p at 32 inches is pretty much the same as 1080p at 24 inches but maybe that is this image sharpening thing that the new video card has. Colours and depth of images look fantastic. There is very clearly angle issue deficiency from IPS panels I saw in stores. Sitting between 28 and 32 inches away from the screen, I have to be pretty much dead on center or brightness will start to drop off from sides of the screen. Vertically, I don't have this issue as I can slouch a bit and still not notice anything. This issue is much less noticeable than with my old Asus TN panel though. With respect to the black to dark/grey transitions. I know its there and it exists in reality and can find it but I can't see it in practical terms when I set the overdrive mode to the fastest setting. I mean I can go to blurbusters and run their UFO tests and it tells me very clearly that there is this nasty black smear trailing the UFO but I am unable to spot it games I have tested with darker visual graphics like XCOM2, Witcher 3 during evenings and nights, and World of Warcraft dungeons. Either the pixel transitions occur at very certain ranges that are rare and thus they don't happen often enough for me to spot them, or I am simply incapable of spotting them when they are as part of an overall moving image not designed specifically to test for and highlight this particular deficiency and thus I am not focused enough to see it. There is a "black light stabilizer mode" that actually "eliminates" this entire issue but it feels like a joke. From what I can tell it simply tells the monitor make its deepest black half as black as it should be, and then rescale the colours and brightness to this new setting. I guess if you don't have any black to begin with you can't have any bad black to grey transitions  . I have no idea who would actually use that mode but I am not bothered since I don't need that feature.Overall I am super happy with the purchase. I am going to put more time in with the Witcher this week and I have GTA 5 downloading right now to try it and see if I can pay attention and find how the slow transitions really affect image quality. But given that Walmart.ca has upped the price back from 499 to 649 it is unlikely I'll be returning it without another sensible option presenting itself before the 2 week return policy kicks in. It is a shame I can't just as easily take the ASUS VG27AQ for a spin, try it out and return it if I don't like it for don't feel it is worth the extra 80 bucks. The store in my region that has it in stock is quite a drive away even if they have a good return policy. Does anyone have any recommendation on games I should try where I will likely feel pissed off with the VA panel that I haven't tried already so far?
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MikeC posted:So the LG 32gk650f arrived late Thursday night and I dropped my new RX 5700xt into my ancient 2500k rig and have spent a good portion of the weekend swapping games on and off my SSDs and putting the new equipment through its paces. I just bought this same monitor on Saturday, in the states it’s at Microcenter for $300. To be honest I was afraid a 32” monitor that’s not an ultra wide would seem ridiculously big but I just pushed it further away from me on my ergotron arm and it’s not severe overkill like I thought it might be coming from my 27” monitor of the same res. Part of the reason I went with this size despite my reservations was that it was one of the few high refresh monitors that wasn’t curved(which I feared would gently caress with any art stuff I tried to do on it). Also the bezels are small enough it doesn’t look clunky compared to my old debezelled monitor. My color calibrator is at a friends house so I haven’t been able to calibrate it yet but just using the windows calibrate thing it’s looking pretty good already. I am not expecting the color space to be as good as my apple monitor was but it seems far from bad. Also the default brightness on this thing was eye searingly bright. I think the only thing that might bug me at all is that it is a slightly matte screen and I am used to having the glossiest displays possible. There was one stuck pixel on the one I got but after running a test video a few times it seemed to go away. My gtx 1070/i5 3570k combo isn’t quite enough to drive new stuff at 144 FPS and 1440p but counter strike looked really nice and smooth. And you’re right about the transitions, if I drag stuff around on a dark desktop I can tell but actually playing cs:go I didn’t notice at all really. I might just be desensitized from years of playing fps’s on ips/va panels. Response time seems good too, I have it set to the fast (but not fastest I think?) setting. So far it seems really good for the price. I am interested to try playing wolfenstein again on this, before when I played it the screen tearing was so bad even with vsync on it was barely playable.
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So I'm finally going above 60 Hz and I'm either going to get an Asus PG279QZ or the Gigabyte AD27QD. Does anybody have a reason to lean one way or the other? I understand HDR is worthless bullshit in this case and I'm not super concerned about being stuck with gsync because I splurged on a 1080ti a while ago. I've spent the last ~5 years with Dell ultrasharps from ebay so this whole variable refresh rate thing is new to me. Is there actually a difference between gsync and freesync other than the latter being better for supporting more cards? e: I see this basically came up a buncha fuckin' times in the last 10 pages. I will prob get the Asus or the Nixeus EDG-27s e2: yet another wrinkle, I see the PG279QZ is just a slight redesign of the PG279Q with absolutely negligible differences. Am I more likely to win the panel lottery with the QZ? Yerok fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Sep 24, 2019 |
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G-sync and Freesync have some fundamental differences in how they work under the hood, but to the end user there's pretty much no meaningful difference. Assuming you buy one of the nice >=144Hz Freesync monitors that is, there's a lot of lovely Freesync implementations on cheaper monitors. The PG279QZ is strictly speaking a better monitor than either the AD27QD or the EDG-27S, but the difference is small enough that depending on the price difference where you are it might not be worth the extra money (upgrading from 60 Hz fixed to 144 Hz with VRR is a giant leap, while the differences between three monitors discussed are only "probably noticeable if you pay attention"). You could also consider the LG 27GL850, which is even better than the PG279QZ in some ways, but beware of the lovely contrast. Yerok posted:e2: yet another wrinkle, I see the PG279QZ is just a slight redesign of the PG279Q with absolutely negligible differences. Am I more likely to win the panel lottery with the QZ? Hard to say. If you're concerned about panel uniformity/IPS glow/other QC issues, LG is probably a somewhat better bet, but they're not perfect either. TheFluff fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Sep 24, 2019 |
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Alright, I'm gonna get the asus as soon as I figure out if there's an actual reason to get the Q or the QZ. I guess there's no way the QC on the panels has improved so it probably doesn't matter, right?
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For the money I think I'd rather buy the LG than the PG279QZ. LG definitely has superior panel QC and the monitor is overall better (plus I like the muted aesthetics). Also these days, even on Nvidia good Freesync monitors seem to be less buggy than good Gsync monitors, because the drat FPGA is such a mess.
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So the LG has faster response time and whatever the gently caress "nano IPS" amounts to, worse contrast ratio than the Asus, and freesync vs gsync doesn't matter, plus I'm slightly less likely to have to return the first monitor I buy. This decision isn't getting easier. Also the LG is sold out on Amazon which is the easiest way to play the panel lottery. e: the LG is sold out literally everywhere as everyone probably already knows Yerok fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Sep 25, 2019 |
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K8.0 posted:4k monitor development is mostly at 27" and some at 32". Don't expect many (good) options to come along at larger sizes. Why is that? I was hoping for gaming 4k monitors to come in larger sizes (34"/38") eventually.
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Deskability. Even though those sizes are clearly more useable in terms of "no scaling necessary" they just don't fit desks as well, the depth (viewing distance) dimension in particular.
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Seamonster posted:Deskability. Even though those sizes are clearly more useable in terms of "no scaling necessary" they just don't fit desks as well, the depth (viewing distance) dimension in particular. I have 2 desktops. One desktop has both DisplayPort and HDMI outputs, and the second desktop has only Displayport outputs. I have 2 Dell U2415 monitors and I would like to be able two switch between the two desktops outputting to both monitors. From my research, it seems like I need either a) a 2 DisplayPort input, one DisplayPort output plain switch and then have to take care of the keyboard/mouse switching separately), or b) a 2 DisplayPort input, one DisplayPort output KVM switch. Does this reasoning seem right? If so, are there any thoughts on whether to get a switch or a KVM, and recommendations for either of those options? I was looking at this IOGEAR KVM switch, but it only has one USB input. If I also buy a USB hub like this one, will I be able to plug and both my mouse and keyboard into the USB hub and connect the hub to the KVM switch and have everything work?
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I don't know poo poo about KVMs, but I do wonder if you actually need one or if you would be better off with some kind of software solution, since in most two-desktop situations the second one is typically being used as a compute machine rather than an interactive thing.Yerok posted:So the LG has faster response time and whatever the gently caress "nano IPS" amounts to, worse contrast ratio than the Asus, and freesync vs gsync doesn't matter, plus I'm slightly less likely to have to return the first monitor I buy. This decision isn't getting easier. You could also consider the VG27AQ, which has a nice feature set including strobing that works with Freesync and a solid $430 price point. Bonus of being actually available.
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Yeah, is there any actual benefit to your 2nd desktop being physically plugged in to the 2 monitors and I/O? Can't you just remote in to the weaker machine? Also, the KVM you linked looks like it has 2 inputs, so you should be good there.
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Jose Cuervo posted:I have 2 desktops. One desktop has both DisplayPort and HDMI outputs, and the second desktop has only Displayport outputs. I have 2 Dell U2415 monitors and I would like to be able two switch between the two desktops outputting to both monitors. A KVM with only one video out isn't going to achieve what you want. You can probably find one that does two video at once but they get quite expensive past the basic level. I have one that supports high refresh/g-sync and it cost around £150. Also, be aware if you have a fancy keyboard or mouse they might not work 100% with a KVM since some emulate rather than just pass through so you aren't disconnecting/reconnecting every time you hit the button. You will want the KVM to emulate the monitor when disconnected though or your windows will constantly get rearranged. Most, if not all will do this. Read up on experiences of people trying to do exactly what you are doing before you buy.
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K8.0 posted:I don't know poo poo about KVMs, but I do wonder if you actually need one or if you would be better off with some kind of software solution, since in most two-desktop situations the second one is typically being used as a compute machine rather than an interactive thing. I ended up getting a PG279QZ from Amazon so if it turned out to be a shitshow I could easily return it. I don't see any issues with color uniformity or backlight bleed but I have a single black (so almost certainly dead) pixel up almost at the top left of the screen. I'm trying to decide how lucky I feel as far as a return. (also I can't believe I waited this long to get a high refresh rate monitor wtf is wrong with me)
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You can try to do a replacement via Amazon and if I remember correctly they'll ship out the replacement and just give you a due date to send the old one back. That way you can likely compare which one to keep.
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Constellation I posted:You can try to do a replacement via Amazon and if I remember correctly they'll ship out the replacement and just give you a due date to send the old one back. That way you can likely compare which one to keep. I totally forgot about this. Time to roll the dice again.
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Are there any 60hz 4k monitors @ 32 in size that aren't garbage these days? Looking to maybe add one to my desktop. Gaming will still be done on my 27in 144hz gsync monitor, but it might be nice to have a 32 incher for multimedia/etc. edit: so hard to find accurate reviews of random monitors without ending up on shady sites i've never heard of that may or may not have my best interests in mind. Is there any reputable site that has accurate, up to date comparisons? BabyRyoga fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Sep 27, 2019 |
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