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Grouchio posted:Was there more or less excitement on the forums here when Mueller began his investigations - compared to now? Everyone was going nuts over that one guy getting shitfaced and calling all the news channels while his lawyers tried to break down his door
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VH4Ever posted:My fear though is and has always been the political calculus. Trump was right, he could shoot someone and his base will stick by him. This is what they voted for, they want a mob boss. Does that handcuff any potential congressional remedy? Maybe. The Senate remains a problem. His base doesn't loving matter by itself. If he only has his base he's totally hosed.
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Lote posted:If Pence is heavily involved, then impeaching Trump and removing him from office means Pence gets removed too. So you get President Pelosi which would make all diehard Republicans’ heads melt. It would never ever happen but President Pelosi would probably make a ton of boomers drop dead immediately. There is 0% chance of Pence being impeached if he becomes President, no matter how much Trump implicates him. Even if there's evidence that Pence also strong armed Ukraine (which isn't really his style I don't think) there's no way Mitch would ever let it happen.
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Shifty Pony posted:IMO The most pressing threat is Trump and co baiting the media into giving the appearance that he had a legitimate reason for wanting Biden investigated by the Ukrainians and letting Fox spin up a "ends justify the means" narrative that gives the GOP cover to back Trump and makes Independents think it is all just politics instead of the worst abuse of presidential power in living memory. i don't think that will happen. trump is mad and won't think and just wants blood. he will make this worse for himself.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i don't think that will happen. trump is mad and won't think and just wants blood. he will make this worse for himself. I don't either. Senate Republicans' radio silence (at least for now) seems like a tell to me. I know it's early and that some were pointing out that they may have the talking points more developed by early next week, but I don't foresee this getting any better for Trump. Could be wrong, but if even Fox News is thinking about dropping him like a hot potato, that's not a good sign for him.
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Lmao he doesn't think this is a threat. He's out of his loving mind
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he is scared. that makes me happy and worried. F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I don't either. Senate Republicans' radio silence (at least for now) seems like a tell to me. I know it's early and that some were pointing out that they may have the talking points more developed by early next week, but I don't foresee this getting any better for Trump. Could be wrong, but if even Fox News is thinking about dropping him like a hot potato, that's not a good sign for him. yeah. but i feel like we got their talking points. they sent them to pelosi. its just the senate realizes this is to biggly bad to do anything about.
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VH4Ever posted:So The Mattering may actually be upon us. My question: what fucks this up? Because this rear end in a top hat should have been impeached a dozen scandals ago at least. What will make this one stick? Easy to digest, unambiguous bad behavior by the President. This isn’t something that requires a diagram or a Live Aid parody to understand.
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Grouchio posted:Was there more or less excitement on the forums here when Mueller began his investigations - compared to now? shouldn't you have been here then to answer that question yourself
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I don't either. Senate Republicans' radio silence (at least for now) seems like a tell to me. I know it's early and that some were pointing out that they may have the talking points more developed by early next week, but I don't foresee this getting any better for Trump. Could be wrong, but if even Fox News is thinking about dropping him like a hot potato, that's not a good sign for him. Cuomo had a republican congressperson on a bit ago and attempted false equivalence between Biden and Trump; and also said it’s not a problem that trump is asking for dirt from a foreign power.
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mistaya posted:I honestly think it's sticking because literally everyone knows what a mob shakedown sounds like. It's not some difficult to understand need to read multiple pages report about obstruction of justice something something maybe Russia did help Trump but it's not like you can prove that Trump colluded... I think this is it. The offense is as simple and easy to understand as you could ever hope for. You can fully and accurately describe what happened in one sentence, and what happened was on its face (to anybody who isn't already a Trumpist) hugely immoral and, perhaps even worse, cheating. e: also makes him look weak, and incompetent.
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I swear 3/4ths of the posts in this thread are near-identical repeats and it’s getting worse; maybe with this thread being so new and under extraordinary circumstances it should be remade with a new OP filled with “yes here is how impeachment works in the Senate”, “this does seem to be sticking differently, mob boss metaphors”, “here is the same list of no-comment congresscritters”
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if the republican base is starting to sour on trump it's because of angry ranting like this. one of his big weaknesses is that he sounds like a crazy rear end in a top hat. if you're tuned in to politics and reading his twitter feed it's obvious, but if you're not paying active attention and don't spend all day On-Line then it's easier to rationalize or dismiss how nuts trump is. putting tantrum video on the news puts his bad behavior front and center and it reminds squishy republicans of the obvious, that the president is deranged
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Dammerung posted:It was collusion again against a potential political rival that is far more readily accessible and intelligible than the Russia stuff turned out to be. As for what fucks it up or makes it stick, well... Your guess is as good as mine at this point! It is both a blessing and a curse to live in interesting times. And hopefully we can dig up all the rest of the poo poo too, now that they've bigly opened the door.
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Rabble posted:Cuomo had a republican congressperson on a bit ago and attempted false equivalence between Biden and Trump; and also said it’s not a problem that trump is asking for dirt from a foreign power. house types don't count. they will stick to the end. its the senators that are quiet. Fojar38 posted:It'd be great if the papers ran this with the older style headlines i feel like this will blow up.
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vseslav.botkin posted:Hold on, we have Trump asking for a favor, and we know Trump shut down funds, but there isn't an explicit causal link between the two yet, right? I feel like that's the lifeline that the Republicans will hold on to during all this. Even here, the administration runs into the problem that A) there is no other plausible reason for aid to have been cut off, and B) from how hard they were apparently pressing Ukraine, it's a very clear A-B connection for the public and media to make even if wasn't explicit.
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Grouchio posted:Was there more or less excitement on the forums here when Mueller began his investigations - compared to now? Honestly the biggest forum thing, besides the pee tape, was probably Flynn getting poo poo canned.
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luxury handset posted:if the republican base is starting to sour on trump it's because of angry ranting like this. one of his big weaknesses is that he sounds like a crazy rear end in a top hat. if you're tuned in to politics and reading his twitter feed it's obvious, but if you're not paying active attention and don't spend all day On-Line then it's easier to rationalize or dismiss how nuts trump is. putting tantrum video on the news puts his bad behavior front and center and it reminds squishy republicans of the obvious, that the president is deranged How has no one been able to convince Trump that a 24/7 reality show about what totally good brained president he is would be in his best interest?
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FizFashizzle posted:Oh my god Rudy is so hosed. Could have sworn we talked about how hosed Rudie In previous scandals.
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Edmund Lava posted:Easy to digest, unambiguous bad behavior by the President. This isn’t something that requires a diagram or a Live Aid parody to understand. It's Watergate except instead of burglars and a hotel, it's a Ukrainian president.
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.. And that was “So many lies” by Sleepy Joe and the Do Nothing Democrats! Coming up next, the new single by Kid Rock, after a word from our sponsor! You’re listening to 102.5 K-CHUD FM
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ryde posted:Could have sworn we talked about how hosed Rudie In previous scandals. yeah in the last few days. which seems possible.
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Recordings reveal Richard Nixon's paranoia ""Never forget," he tells national security advisers Henry Kissinger, above, and Alexander Haig in a conversation on December 14 1972, "the press is the enemy, the press is the enemy. The establishment is the enemy, the professors are the enemy, the professors are the enemy. Write that on a blackboard 100 times."' Note: Past performance is no guarantee of future results. Edit: but just imagine the jowls, and how they probably shooook when he said that. Otteration fucked around with this message at 03:00 on Sep 27, 2019 |
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Martytoof posted:.. And that was “So many lies” by Sleepy Joe and the Do Nothing Democrats! Coming up next, the new single by Kid Rock, after a word from our sponsor! You’re listening to 102.5 K-CHUD FM 
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Fojar38 posted:It'd be great if the papers ran this with the older style headlines Or, if this were a UK-style tabloid PREZ PROCLAIMS WAR ON WHISTLEBLOWERS Trump slams "sicko" spy snitch
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Dapper_Swindler posted:what hannity say? 
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PEE-PEE DOO-DOO He is a bad President
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ryde posted:Could have sworn we talked about how hosed Rudie In previous scandals. Rudy is gonna get his subpoena later. For now, they are letting him do his thing (confess on camera).
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