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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-23/hong-kong-protesters-trample-chinese-flag-dump-it-in-a-river/11537126 Where is the chinese Rick Monday to save the day
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Sep 25, 2019 14:46
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Frijolero posted:What countries are "leftist" op? Laos. Laos is the only non-revisionist country left.
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Sep 25, 2019 14:58
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/KingLuddLives/status/1168855041882677249 With all due respect to Castro, his examples of how Cuba might be perceived as non-socialist are pretty silly. Does any socialist except the most thoroughly Stalinist object to farmers controlling the means of their own production? Further, the average size of the small family farm in America is (apparently) 231 acres. Now, I'm sure most "family farms" in the US employ workers, but if farm sizes in Cuba max out at less than half of the US average, it's entirely conceivable that Cuban farms could be considered personal, not private, property. Same with owning one's own home, the textbook definition of personal property.
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Sep 25, 2019 15:54
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Norton the First posted:With all due respect to Castro, his examples of how Cuba might be perceived as non-socialist are pretty silly. Does any socialist except the most thoroughly Stalinist object to farmers controlling the means of their own production? Further, the average size of the small family farm in America is (apparently) 231 acres. Now, I'm sure most "family farms" in the US employ workers, but if farm sizes in Cuba max out at less than half of the US average, it's entirely conceivable that Cuban farms could be considered personal, not private, property. Same with owning one's own home, the textbook definition of personal property. All property that is an integral part of production of society's needs that one party can prevent the rest of society from using is private property in the strict marxist meaning of the term. Your house is indeed fully personal property and if you do some hobbyist gardening on your yard that is personal property too. But if you make your living through producing goods and selling a surplus on that land, and society relies on the productive potential of that land for part of its consumption (which includes your own consumption), the land you have a title to is obviously private property. You could arbitrarily deny society part of its needs by not working that land as productively as the average person could. Consequently all communists have to object to farmers owning the means of their own production and the results of their production. The aim of socialism has to be to upset peasant lifestyles and make farmers employees of society that have reasonable direct control over how they work but not the general production and distribution systems their work is part of: they have to negotiate as average members of society over investment in the farm and the distribution of its products, and also be replaceable by social decision like other workers. Transforming individual/family private property into collective private property through producers' cooperatives is a logical first step on the road, and transforming those cooperatives into actual common property treated like any other industry is the next. Of course messing up that process through overzealousness is very bad, but rejecting the goal itself is anti-socialist. (BTW Stalin was initially far from zealous on this front, what happened is that he became afraid of the more wealthy peasants', whose surplus Soviet cities and international trade relied on, ability to shut down production or distribution based on what was advantageous to them in isolation. Initially the issue was that the upper layers of peasantry learned to speculate on grain prices within the monopsony-dominated market of the NEP: if the government lowered the buying price, they would store the grain, trusting enough of the others to do the same to force it to raise it again soon enough for the grain not to rot. And the grain traders, NEPmen, could buy grain for slightly more than the government in expectation of the government buying it for more later. Then, of course, he decided to escalate the struggle and to keep escalating in the face of escalating resistance, but that isn't some tenet of "stalinism".)
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Sep 25, 2019 18:52
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It's a sad day when it turns out Castro was wrong about something.
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Sep 25, 2019 19:35
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Norton the First posted:With all due respect to Castro, his examples of how Cuba might be perceived as non-socialist are pretty silly. I'm pretty sure that's his point. It's ridiculous anyway to try and grade countries as "socialist" or not-socialist according to some scale of private ownership in society. Was the Soviet Union not a socialist country during the NEP? Being socialist is more of a matter of being committed to the project of constructing socialism, and maybe eventually communism. In the meantime socialist countries still have to deal with the contradictions of existing in a world overwhelmingly controlled by private capital interests, and in which survival depends on negotiating with those interests. It's fundamentally a political issue. Certainly, a country with a peoples' democracy like Cuba is much further on the path to socialism than China. Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 20:48 on Sep 25, 2019 |
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Sep 25, 2019 20:41
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I'm pretty sure that's his point. Is it? Because he seems to be saying, "here are some silly objections you could make to Cuban socialism, and objections to socialism with Chinese characteristics are similarly silly." But differences of degree can be differences in kind. Ain't no (actually) Cuban billionaires I know of.
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Sep 25, 2019 21:04
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Sep 25, 2019 21:34
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/KingLuddLives/status/1168855041882677249 cuba certainly has it's issues and it might have been a couple decades since i visited but compared to what i saw in dominican or other parts of the caribbean they really seemed to be lacking the extreme poverty my friend from the dr was a p big castro supporter and at the time i was still under the brainwashing of my gusano family and staunch conservative father but looking back cuba didn't have the homeless beggars and entire communities made of sink housing that was everywhere you looked outside the rich downtown of santo domingo i see now the argument my dad and other conservatives are making is they'd rather have the excessive wealth available to a few shitheads living it up even if it means extreme poverty for a whole lot of others cuba lacks either extremes and while ya government officials do have nicer houses no one in cuba is on the streets begging just to eat that night
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Sep 25, 2019 21:48
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Norton the First posted:Is it? Because he seems to be saying, "here are some silly objections you could make to Cuban socialism, and objections to socialism with Chinese characteristics are similarly silly." But differences of degree can be differences in kind. Ain't no (actually) Cuban billionaires I know of. Castro is paraphrasing left wing criticisms of Cuba. Percelus posted:i see now the argument my dad and other conservatives are making is they'd rather have the excessive wealth available to a few shitheads living it up even if it means extreme poverty for a whole lot of others They'd rather retain the dream of becoming rich themselves than live in a society that can actually eliminate poverty. Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 21:53 on Sep 25, 2019 |
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Sep 25, 2019 21:51
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get that OUT of my face posted:it's lovely food no matter what the price
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Sep 25, 2019 22:20
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get that OUT of my face posted:lmao that homex/r. guy thinks he can bring people to the immortal science of xi thought by shitposting, one-word responses, and digging up posts. admittedly better than peven's outright blue lives matter and genocide support but that's a low bar i don't care about "converting" d&d psychopaths lol
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Sep 26, 2019 02:18
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the forums are a cool place to hang out and make friends be chill and post, that's my motto
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Sep 26, 2019 03:36
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i hope hong kong burns
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Sep 26, 2019 04:44
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Darkman Fanpage posted:i hope hong kong burns Sure, sure. Only some time after they make a sequel to Sleeping Dogs.
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Sep 26, 2019 05:02
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:the forums are a cool place to hang out and make friends
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Sep 26, 2019 05:19
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Darkman Fanpage posted:i hope hong kong burns That's one way to get rents under control.
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Sep 26, 2019 05:21
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Hong kongers need to go to Indonesia and learn how to properly protest.
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Sep 26, 2019 06:59
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they'd just end up waving dutch flags and asking trump to bring suharto back
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Sep 26, 2019 07:11
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Stocking posted:they'd just end up waving dutch flags and asking trump to bring suharto back
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Sep 26, 2019 07:14
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tino posted:Hong kongers need to go to Indonesia and learn how to properly protest. the Indonesian protests couldn't possibly be Western-backed because the government already is
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Sep 26, 2019 07:24
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Hong Kongers need to go to Indonesia, a country that historically loves Chinese people
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Sep 26, 2019 07:34
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sincx posted:An acquaintance attended an award reception in HK last night and got a photo w Carrie Lam. Her smile in the photo is strained and she looks exhausted. why would you celebrate the suffering of a staunch ally of the Chinese proletariat? R. Guyovich posted:i don't care about "converting" d&d psychopaths lol while i imagine you consider me a d&d psychopath I actually very much appreciate the rare occasions you post content Goatse James Bond has issued a correction as of 08:14 on Sep 26, 2019 |
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Sep 26, 2019 08:06
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Lady Galaga posted:Hong Kongers need to go to Indonesia, a country that historically loves Chinese people https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mw_kZ3qnsk
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Sep 26, 2019 08:33
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Sep 26, 2019 08:38
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good on putin for giving so many out-of-work background extras a job in this difficult economci climate i guess
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Sep 26, 2019 08:43
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:29 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Sep 26, 2019 08:54
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ah and how many pinocchios does it get dear sir
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Sep 26, 2019 08:54
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the redder the warning, the more anti-western hegemony and anti-imperialist the news is fit for commie consumption e: breitbart gets a green tick, lol
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Sep 26, 2019 09:05
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fascist cult's newspaper is fine apparently
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Sep 26, 2019 09:16
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Sep 26, 2019 09:38
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Stocking posted:fascist cult's newspaper is fine apparently Time to uninstall NewsGuard
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Sep 26, 2019 10:23
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tino posted:Time to uninstall NewsGuard i just wanted to put in a few winners and laugh at the green checkmarks
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Sep 26, 2019 11:46
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the real newsguard is the Crusader's shield on the Daily Express
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Sep 26, 2019 12:39
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cant believe putin got all those people to wave british and colonial hong kong flags!!!
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Sep 26, 2019 14:44
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:29 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Sep 26, 2019 20:26
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Rabelais D posted:My uni has been blanketed in graffiti and while I am against the defacement of public buildings it's pretty funny seeing our closeted mainland students get triggered wherever they look, saw a girl yesterday screaming 操你妈逼 at graffiti which read 全党死光光 while her friend desperately tried to comfort her. I would urge comrade students translate their anger into revolutionary fervor into action by writing their own "big character posters" denouncing anti china, anti-socialist rightist forces on campus!
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Sep 27, 2019 14:04
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Lady Galaga posted:go on then, list your sources
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Sep 27, 2019 15:54
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Sep 27, 2019 19:12
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   dude going ape
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