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Zip! posted:I worry I'm doing a similar thing to whoever the guy going on about non-optimum play was, but the omission of coning tower armor on most of the ships seems like something that should be fixed. Direct CT hits are less than .2% chance per 100 rounds fired per gun within the IZ of the Skopa.* *quick math 5% of 5% 5% accuracy which is very good accuracy and conditions 5% (which is extremely generous, it's more like 2%) chance to hit CT. 2" protects from splinters so it requires a direct hit from AP to destroy the CT and low caliber guns fire HE at B/BB/BC, which 2" is proof against. No CT armor is a terrible idea but 2" works fine in practice. Because the odds of taking a direct hit to the CT that you could have reasonably armored against (CT equal to belt) is quite low at range, and if you are taking fire that your belt cannot stop odds are the CT wouldn't be immune either.
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Guess I'll vote for Potemkin.
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Infidelicious posted:Single mount 3" is the first DP Heavy AA caliber you get. The manual posted:The AA fire sequence (I don't disagree with adding 3" tertiaries to prepare for DP HAA, though. If anything, HAA is even more of a key capability than Infidelicious described, one that you will need eventually, and there's not much point in leaving free tonnage to add it later instead of just throwing the tertiaries on there now.)
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Plus, you know, there were the former complaints about not having enough small calibre guns to dissaude destroyer attacks.
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IIRC towards the end of WWII destroyers and Battleships were basically floating AAA batteries.
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 January 1923  That was an old destroyer. February 1923  We are no longer allied to Britain, but at least we have a new fighter on the way. March 1923  After twenty years of service, our spy has decided her golden bikini is getting a bit cold, so this guy has stepped up.  Our light cruisers can now fit as many guns as our battleships. April 1923  The Garpun can only make 22 knots – but its interesting to note the US are rebuilding to a CVL. We seem to have the edge on tech here! May 1923  Parliament want to improve society, not the fleet.  We are getting lots of reports on enemy tech levels. June 1923  The Germans have the improved director. July 1923  The new floatplane scout is ready. August 1923  The French Navy? Hah!  I wasn't given a file for the Potemkin, so I rebuilt her as best I could. September 1923  The US take control of Cuba, and a re surprised to find camels there. October 1923  We make sure to keep the Balkans stable.... November 1923  We of course go for the win. December 1923  More money and a slew of new inventions.  So much new tech.  The Potemkin is laid down.  I will admit to misjudging our funds a little bit.  Our fleet grows.  Just as well, as tensions are rising once more.  France and Austria-Hungary do not look like much of a threat however. We are punching above our weight for the smallest naval budget in the world.  Here are our current planes.  And, finally, our research levels.
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I think we can take France. Austria-Hunagry is never a threat.
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Those five Austrian battlecruisers might be concerning--sure, a couple of them are pretty lovely battlecruisers, but we don't have anything that could catch and kill them right now.
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Okay! PRoposals. Alliances Alliances should be pursued as best can be with powers that have low tensions with and that operate in the European theatre with substantial fleets. Priority is given to Britain, secondly to Germany if feasible. Only one great power should be allied with. Lab Mad Research alliances should be pursued with any nations that are willing to engage with them AND technology should always be bought/sold so long as A) It would not negatively effect the budget and B) Are with nations that do not have Yellow or Above Tension level pending the discretion of the Admiralty.
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wedgekree posted:Lab Mad Seconded.
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wedgekree posted:Okay! PRoposals. Seconded
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Didn’t we propose legislation after the last update? I thought it was every two updates?
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If we are allowing legislation: Quarter-Century Act All ships originally completed in 1899 should be scrapped. Rossiya and Pamyat Asova are exempted for up to two years if the admiralty deems that it is currently unable to replace them in Northeast Asia.
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Zikan posted:Didn’t we propose legislation after the last update? I thought it was every two updates? Its every year. Every update in peacetime, every four updates in wartime.
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The Far East Fleet Modernization Act A run of four additional Proyekt 11117 destroyers are to be ordered and dispatched to Vladivostok to replace the eight desperately obsolete destroyers currently stationed there, which will be scrapped once the new ships arrive. The Elbrus will be dispatched to Vladivostok immediately to serve as the flagship for the Far East Fleet. One Pamyat Azova is to be scrapped upon her arrival. In addition, a new armored cruiser will be designed and laid down to replace the remaining two Pamyat Azovas. Designers are to prioritize cost effectiveness, long-range operations, and raiding ability. One of these ships will be ordered to replace the cruisers of the Pamyat Asova class, which will be scrapped once the new ship arrives at Vladivostok. A second ship of this class may (or may not) be ordered later, with a separate piece of legislation, once the budget situation improves. Mister Bates fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Sep 29, 2019 |
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Mister Bates posted:The Far East Fleet Modernization Act Seconded
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Scrapping any DD is throwing away a perfectly good Trade Protection hull; transferring them back to where they can be mothballed is less wasteful.
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wedgekree posted:Okay! PRoposals. Mister Bates posted:The Far East Fleet Modernization Act Only three this time.....
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Yeaaaa boooix3.
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Yay Yay Yay Can I vot efor my own proposals or that considered poor form?
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Sep 29, 2019 05:19
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Yeah Yeah Nah Why waste perfectly good decoys?
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Alliances - Aye Lab Mad - Aye Far East Modernization - Nay - there's no point scrapping obsolete destroyers, might as well just put them on trade protection and not have to build corvettes. And considering our budget situation and current requirement to build another battleship once we free up the funds, we really don't have the money for a new cruiser line. Better to wait a year or two, let the budget stabilize, then worry about designing new cruisers.
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Ayes all around.
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Good points made about the destroyer hulls. Aye Aye Nay
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AYE AYE NAY
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vyelkin posted:Alliances - Aye NEQ
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 ***PRIORITETY ISSLEDOVANIYE 01 JAN 1924 ST PETERSBURG*** YEGO IMPYERATORSKOGO VYELICHYESTVA (NIKOLAYA II [VTOROGO]) pre:Research Area Last research Priority Levels Machinery development Reduction gears Medium 12 Armour development Impr armour testing Medium 11 Hull construction Imp design calculations Medium 12 Fire control Synthetic fire control LOW 16 Subdivision and damage control Diesel generators HIGH 6 Turrets and gun mountings Double gun mounts on CL Medium 10 Ship design AON armour Medium 12 AP Projectiles Improved ballistic cap HIGH 7 Light forces and torpedo warfare Quadruple torp tubes Medium 11 Torpedo technology TNT warhead Medium 10 Submarines Minelaying submarine LOW 12 ASW technology Imp Depth charges HIGH 8 Explosive shells Enh explosive filler Medium 10 Fleet tactics Smoke Floats Medium 8 Anti Aircraft artillery 20mm automatic cannon Medium 3 Naval aviation, lighter than air Aircraft carrying blimp HIGH 4 Naval Aviation, heavier than air Early air launch torps Medium 3 Shipboard aircraft operation Purpose built CVLs Medium 4 Amphibious operations Elpidifor boats Medium 2 Naval guns 16 inch guns LOW THE TSAR HAS NOT HAD AN 'EPISODE' NOR HAS HE 'DIED' OR 'GONE CRAZY' OR ANY SUCH THING STOP OUR BELOVED EMPEROR HAS BEEN ON A LONG HOLIDAY, THAT'S ALL STOP WE REMIND NAVAL OFFICERS AND STAFF THAT SPREADING RUMORS IS TREASON STOP MEANWHILE WE IMAGINE THE TSAR WOULD LIKE IMPROVED AIRSHIPS AND DAMAGE CONTROL AND MINES END  ATTN: BY ORDER YEGO IMPYERATORSKOGO VYELICHYESTVA (NIKOLAYA II [VTOROGO]) The bureau of ordnance is pleased to announce a request for proposals for a new Russian torpedo bomber model of aircraft! As the pace of aeronautical development quickens internationally, our country must keep up with its rivals overseas. New Request: 1923: Torpedo bomber to be named the Dostavka Kolbasy (доставка колбасы) or "Sausage Delivery" Prioritization of qualities: 1. Bomb Load 2. Speed Open requests: 1919 order: Bomber pukayushchiy al'batros or "Farting Albatross" Prioritization of qualities: 1. Bomb Load 2. Toughness PENDING AIRCRAFT RENAMING: WE HAVE ABANDONED ALL HOPE OF RENAMING FIGHTERS AND ACCEPT THAT IT MUST BE IMPOSSIBLE
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January 1924 quote:Alliances  We get a new battleship, and now we see the air force getting upgraded. February 1924  We have a aircraft carrier, and the Tsar demands his second yacht in two years.  We improve our lighter than air tech. March 1924  Rebellion! The last of these lead to war.  It looks like the Austro-Hungarians are attempting to use the same tricks.  They also ramp up their budget – they are ready for war. April 1924  For now, I work on reducing the rebels.  May 1924  Industry improves, and we stand up proud against France.  We seem to have them in a panic as they increase budget!  Not to be outdone, I lay down the second Potemkin class. June 1924  I buy an improved range finder, and Britain deploys some new destroyers. July 1924  Lets hope we can get those torpedo bombers out before the war starts! August 1924  The Austrians are replacing their corvettes. September 1924  The Rebellion continues, and we buy longer torpedoes. October 1924  It seems Japan has forgotten the drubbing we gave them.  Better 10” guns will be useful on heavy cruisers. November 1924  The Americans get an aircraft carrier. December 1924  Lots of intel reports this month.  The new torpedo bomber goes into production.  The Potemkins progress.  The fleet slumbers.  War looks likely in the next year, and I'm going to have to pause one of the battleships soon.  Research continues under BUORDS watchful eye. Over to you guys. This may well be your last chance to do anything in the next few updates!
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Fortifications All colonies in areas expected to be combat zones in the coming year are prioritized for increase in fortifications. This can include (but is not limited to) building of additional coastal batteries, port capacity. Each 'zone' in turn should have at least one small level airbase that can handle zeppelins to be used for spotting if it does not have already. Those that are ready should have one squadron of zepelins assigned to them when available o an airbase, at least one per zone. The priority will be the Far East (Sakhain), then Asia, and if budget permits to Northern Europe/The Med. Discretion is given to the admiralty as to what level of fortifications are considered effective to build up within an efficient timespan. The Admiralty is also allowed to prioritize what they feel is the most effective buildup to use at their discretion (airbase/port/gun batteries).
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The Far East Squadron Rebasing Act While I was hoping to be able to propose a better version of my previous act that took into consideration the very good points people had against it, there's no way in hell we can afford to design new ships right now or even order a new run of destroyers. For now let's stick to the part of the bill that makes us money instead of losing it. The Elbrus and Grom will be redeployed to Vladivostok to replace the 19th-century-vintage Pamyat Azova armored cruisers. With war potentially looming, the Pamyat Azovas will not be scrapped at this time, but will be scrapped as soon as world tension has fallen to safe levels or the upcoming war has ended, freeing up their maintenance costs to be spent on more modern vessels. This will leave us with no armored cruisers in the Baltic, but one nearly-20-year-old ship will not be a huge loss, and in fact it might actually help us by ensuring the battle gen doesn't throw us into cruiser actions when we only have one cruiser. Mister Bates fucked around with this message at 06:13 on Oct 1, 2019 |
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