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I haven't gone there yet so will stay clear away. Shame it isn't set up like the Tower Of The Hand that you indicate which books you've read and it auto filters out relevant spoilers. S02E01: Wow! Through all of season one I felt the Mumbari were passive, reserved, and mystical and couldn't understand how they were at war with humans so recently. Not now. Nice to get some of the mysteries answered (seemingly) without dragging out for ages.
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TraderStav posted:S02E01: Wow! Through all of season one I felt the Mumbari were passive, reserved, and mystical and couldn't understand how they were at war with humans so recently. Not now. Yeah, you've mostly been seeing members of the Religious Caste, people like Delenn and Lennier. They have other castes. Not to say that Delenn is actually a peaceful person.
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CainFortea posted:The openers and how they evolve over time makes b5 openers some of the best ones for television. IT FAILED
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sebmojo posted:IT FAILED ughhhh I'm extremely horny for how effective that is
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Sep 24, 2019 04:36
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sebmojo posted:IT FAILED That is my favorite opening.
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Babylon 5 is portrayed as some kind of hub of commerce in addition to all the embassies and the space-UN, and places like that tend to grow out into big cities all on their own. Programs to let people return to wherever they came from after they've hit hard times might help, but if they don't pay attention to the specifics of each person's case, it may just be shifting the homeless around. That's why Hawaii's program to do something similar has to vet each candidate. Might be cool to see space-social workers on the show though. I feel like there's been a huge surge against immigration in the real world over the last 30 years, and if Babylon 5 was made now, Garibaldi would be demanding to see everybody's visa all the time and threatening to deport repeat offenders, but back then they felt more comfortable being loose about things. There even seems to be a bit of like American colonial influence on how humans live off of Earth. Vavrek posted:Yeah, the Lurker's Guide isn't something I'd show to a newbie. It's a nice compilation of episode-per-episode JMS usenet posts to read along with a rewatch. Ah, the internet kind of lurker. This thread is drawing me into doing a rewatch, I might try checking that out.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Babylon 5 is portrayed as some kind of hub of commerce in addition to all the embassies and the space-UN, and places like that tend to grow out into big cities all on their own. Programs to let people return to wherever they came from after they've hit hard times might help, but if they don't pay attention to the specifics of each person's case, it may just be shifting the homeless around. That's why Hawaii's program to do something similar has to vet each candidate. Might be cool to see space-social workers on the show though. lurkers guide is also a plot summary, things you may have missed, unanswered questions and show trivia, it's a fantastic resource to look at after each episode.
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CainFortea posted:The openers and how they evolve over time makes b5 openers some of the best ones for television. lol but posted:DAWN OF THE THIRD AGE DREAM GIVEN FORM WE ARE IN SPAAAAAAACE
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sebmojo posted:IT FAILED Bump-bump-BAH, bump-bump-BAH! Ahh, good times.
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Vavrek posted:Yeah, the Lurker's Guide isn't something I'd show to a newbie. It's a nice compilation of episode-per-episode JMS usenet posts to read along with a rewatch. Yep. Save it to read when you eventually rewatch. E: S3 is best intro. Though now I watch it and am mentally saying "dead, dead, dead..." in G'Kar voice as actors pop up. 
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Halfway through Legacies right now and wow this works really well with having had TKO immediately before. You get to have Ivanova grieve and deal with her emotions, and grow closer with Sinclair and let him have an appreciation for what she's gone through. Then, next episode, she goes to him for help/approval in dealing with the young telepath, and it's clear they're at that same interpersonal level they were last episode. Having Grail and Eyes sandwiched between those moments would just be weird, and having Legacies not be near the end of the season feels similarly odd. I'm liking this variant order a lot, now that I'm actually following it. edit: Talia: "Just because your mother didn't cooperate—" Ivanova: "Like your friend Ironheart? Talia: "You leave him out of this." Young telepath girl: "JUST gently caress ALREADY." edit2: Theodore Bikel, who played Rabbi Koslov in TKO, died in 2015. I am declaring this to not be an instance of the Babylon curse, because he was 91 years old. Vavrek fucked around with this message at 07:22 on Sep 24, 2019 |
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Y'all forgot the intro Giants in the playground NOW GET THE HELL OUT OF OUR GALAXY
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Iymarra posted:Y'all forgot the intro Giants in the playground NOW GET THE HELL OUT OF OUR GALAXY The actual best intro.
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sebmojo posted:lurkers guide is also a plot summary, things you may have missed, unanswered questions and show trivia, it's a fantastic resource to look at after each episode. Not only is it possibly the greatest of that sort of companion, but the show itself has a wealth of trivia and allusions and behind-the-scenes stuff going on that makes everything fantastic to learn. The only other shows I've seen that've had anything remotely similar were: Rome, going through it Wikipedia's entries from actual history buffs that tell you how and why various things worked the way they did, and then Buffy+Angel with their intricacies laid out some. I think JMS gets into it only a little bit on Usenet when the show was ongoing, the key period most of the Lurker's Guide material was compiled from, but I would be so loving goddamned interested for JMS to eventually make a screenwriter's guide for TV where he uses his Babylon 5 outline/bible and explains each of the potential backdoors for characters due to actor leaving/dying/etc., and alternate plotline paths.
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Oh, I like the technomages. Love some cyberpunk! Plus an extremely ominous message for Londo at the end. Season 2 is kicking rear end so far.
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My favorite thing about that might be Michael Ansara's voice. It's not that there's nothing else to recommend the episode, but that he just had such a great voice.
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CainFortea posted:The openers and how they evolve over time makes b5 openers some of the best ones for television. I'm two episodes into S04 this week, and wow do I miss the grandeur that was the S03 opening music.
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Vavrek posted:My favorite thing about that might be Michael Ansara's voice. It's not that there's nothing else to recommend the episode, but that he just had such a great voice. I love his speech with Sheridan at the end about the nature of magic.
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TraderStav posted:Oh, I like the technomages. most hardcore roleplayers the galaxy's got
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Vavrek posted:My favorite thing about that might be Michael Ansara's voice. It's not that there's nothing else to recommend the episode, but that he just had such a great voice. Other great guest voices: Robin Sachs, John Vickery
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Other great guest voices: Robin Sachs, John Vickery And the second Draal.
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Jedit posted:And the second Draal. aw man i love that guy. also draal 1 did a funny dick joke one time so he is cool too
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oh but seriously I posted:aw man i love that guy. also draal 1 did a funny dick joke one time so he is cool too I actually prefer Draal 1 because he seemed more of a tired old minbari and Draal 2 is a huge difference. I know he’s supposed to be younger, but that’s like Brian Blessed turning into Ian McKellen in his old age. I still like Draal 2 don’t get me wrong. It’s just kind of jarring.
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Draal 1's actor also played Brother Theo. Unrelated: I clipped a bit of a CGI composite shot from Legacies, that shows a view out some windows. The set the camera's panning down into is the same used for the commander's office, the council chambers, and the mess hall. Just imagine it! Windows, in all those rooms! The show normally has such an indoor look that I never even expect windows. Except that one time a lurker looks out a porthole in the floor.
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Thanks to this thread I am on a rewatch right now and I got a question: Do they ever explain why Station security is not run by Earth Force? At least to me, it always came across like Garibaldi being fundamentally a civilian, with his "rank" being Chief and him not being part of the usual chain of command. He mentioned being a former ground pounder, but it doesn't seem like he is part of the military as the show is taking place, asides from being a commanding officer of Babylon 5. Like Ivanova seem to be responsible for the entire shipping and commerce on the station, which seem to me like much more of an area they might hand to a civilian third party , but something as security sensitive as the internal defense of the station, they handed to some shady guy Sinclair knew
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I always took "Chief" to mean something like "Chief Warrant Officer," and ascribed the rest to the fact that JMS never really got the military right.
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Wikipedia has him as "Chief Warrant Officer" And his uniform has the earth force pin on the collar, and the uniform is the same just a different color.
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e X posted:Thanks to this thread I am on a rewatch right now and I got a question: Do they ever explain why Station security is not run by Earth Force? At least to me, it always came across like Garibaldi being fundamentally a civilian, with his "rank" being Chief and him not being part of the usual chain of command. He mentioned being a former ground pounder, but it doesn't seem like he is part of the military as the show is taking place, asides from being a commanding officer of Babylon 5. Like Ivanova seem to be responsible for the entire shipping and commerce on the station, which seem to me like much more of an area they might hand to a civilian third party , but something as security sensitive as the internal defense of the station, they handed to some shady guy Sinclair knew You got the wrong impression because station security is EarthForce and so is Garibaldi. My guess is that Garibaldi is on the "command staff" by dint of being the most senior enlisted person on the station (and of course, he's in that position because of Sinclair). Don't get too hung up on different rank structures, insignia, and uniform colors though, because the show's kind of goofy about mixing them up. We meet a handful of majors and generals in both blue and brown (gold?), and there's a couple of verbal references to the existence of admirals in the early seasons but then never again. I think someone (whether JMS or someone else) was trying to imply that EarthForce is a "combined service" but either nobody sat down and wrote it all out or otherwise some people just didn't get the memo.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:You got the wrong impression because station security is EarthForce and so is Garibaldi. S4/5: Ivanova is promoted to Admiral by the time of Sleeping in Light. The official line from JMS is that the Navy and Air Force merged and the Army atrophied into the Marines. Also you're only half right about Station Security: Garibaldi is a serving Earthforce NCO with the rank of Warrant Officer W-4, but most of the rest of security are civilian staff. This is why Garibaldi is the only member of security to wear an Earthforce uniform, badge and rank bar, while everyone else wears the grey uniform with the B5 badge and a security logo.
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Jedit posted:S4/5: Ivanova is promoted to Admiral by the time of Sleeping in Light. S4/5: Are you sure? I thought she was referred to as a general.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:S4/5: Are you sure? I thought she was referred to as a general. Correct
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Correct I'm 100% sure otherwise, but it's been a long time so I'll accept the correction.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:You got the wrong impression because station security is EarthForce and so is Garibaldi. Jedit posted:S4/5: Ivanova is promoted to Admiral by the time of Sleeping in Light. Okay, thanks, that makes sense. I mean, besides that I'd still think it is weird that security isn't handled by EarthForce personal directly when everything else is, but I guess you could come up with a reasonable explanation for that (in universe). And I know that most creators tend to play it fast an loose with ranks when it comes to their fictional military, it just always bugged me because Garibaldi is so un-Officer like, but him being an NCO makes sense.
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e X posted:Okay, thanks, that makes sense. I mean, besides that I'd still think it is weird that security isn't handled by EarthForce personal directly when everything else is, but I guess you could come up with a reasonable explanation for that (in universe). And I know that most creators tend to play it fast an loose with ranks when it comes to their fictional military, it just always bugged me because Garibaldi is so un-Officer like, but him being an NCO makes sense. Well, Warrant Officers aren't NCOs. But they're promoted out of the NCO cadre. As far as why the other security forces aren't military I just figured it's a diplomatic station, having the every day cops be military kind of goes against having B5 be the last best hope for peace.
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Jedit posted:I'm 100% sure otherwise, but it's been a long time so I'll accept the correction. Script-book says "Admiral”.
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I just pulled up the episode: "But General, you're an important person." Edit: Oh hey, also this: spoilers! don't look! Farmer Crack-Ass fucked around with this message at 08:17 on Sep 28, 2019 |
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Maybe they didn’t want her to be too specific. 
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Seems consistent with other flag officers like Generals Franklin and Hague.
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It vaguely makes sense if you assume space forces grew out of the (US) air force structure which uses generals instead of the navy structure which uses admirals.
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Soylent Pudding posted:It vaguely makes sense if you assume space forces grew out of the (US) air force structure which uses generals instead of the navy structure which uses admirals. I mean then you're also kind of assuming America conquers all of Earth in the back story (which granted does explain why 99% of people Earth in a position of authority seem to be American)...
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