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One thing I really like about IR is how it's balanced so it doesn't use sheer quantity of resources as an obstacle for higher tech as much... I'm getting into red belts now, and I was surprised at how cheap they were. In vanilla you've gotta set up a whole iron production chain just to feed that, and then you've gotta do like 3 times that for blue belts. Same with science, everything's locked behind more logistical challenges or the newest ore processing thing or whatever, but I haven't felt like "oh god I'm gonna need like 3 new mines to run all this stuff" or like I'm constantly running out, the way I often do in vanilla, so I've spent way more time factory building instead of the more tedious parts of building huge resource throughput
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Magus42 posted:Didn't quite realize just how much slower IR is until I played a few hours last night. I build little ad-hoc groups of machines to build things while my hand crafting is going on. I also leave it crafting a big queue whenever I can (hence the screensaver comment). Making a mall base for this stuff is going to be a must later but it'll need to be separate purely due to space concerns. Automate pipes and belts early though and save time. I keep meaning to do inserters too but that's a bigger chain. Also start making landfill ASAP, it's super slow unless you throw a bunch of machines at it.
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super fart shooter posted:One thing I really like about IR is how it's balanced so it doesn't use sheer quantity of resources as an obstacle for higher tech as much... I'm getting into red belts now, and I was surprised at how cheap they were. In vanilla you've gotta set up a whole iron production chain just to feed that, and then you've gotta do like 3 times that for blue belts. Same with science, everything's locked behind more logistical challenges or the newest ore processing thing or whatever, but I haven't felt like "oh god I'm gonna need like 3 new mines to run all this stuff" or like I'm constantly running out, the way I often do in vanilla, so I've spent way more time factory building instead of the more tedious parts of building huge resource throughput This sold me on playing IR despite my misgivings re the extended burner period.
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Breetai posted:This sold me on playing IR despite my misgivings re the extended burner period. The burner phase is just long enough to be interesting. You don't need a lot of production early on, so splitting belts 50/50 with coal everywhere is fine. You can also just handfeed your inserters/assemblers because the coal lasts quite a long time. Another nice thing is that the components are the exact same for all the ore types. You make plates and rods, which go into stuff like gear wheels or cable, these are the same for copper, tin, iron, gold, etc. Once you've made one of these setups you can just copy it for the next ingot.
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super fart shooter posted:One thing I really like about IR is how it's balanced so it doesn't use sheer quantity of resources as an obstacle for higher tech as much... I'm getting into red belts now, and I was surprised at how cheap they were. In vanilla you've gotta set up a whole iron production chain just to feed that, and then you've gotta do like 3 times that for blue belts. Same with science, everything's locked behind more logistical challenges or the newest ore processing thing or whatever, but I haven't felt like "oh god I'm gonna need like 3 new mines to run all this stuff" or like I'm constantly running out, the way I often do in vanilla, so I've spent way more time factory building instead of the more tedious parts of building huge resource throughput I was thinking about this yesterday. To me the enjoyable parts of the game are in order: 1) Automating stuff 2) Resource extraction 3) Biter hunting I find only a small portion of my game is actually spent on automation. Lately I've been seizing territory from biters (which requires frequent trips back home to collect more bullets and walls), getting more iron and copper, and trying to keep my solar/accumulator setup ahead of my power use. I'll soon devote a session to getting a modern mall with red belts up and running, and to automate bot construction, and to try and get my yellow science up to par. This stuff is the meat of the game, the rest kinda feels like chores.
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Sep 27, 2019 12:13
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Are there any mods yet that make enemies actually be interesting outside of a minor nuisance?
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Sep 27, 2019 20:03
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I've started an IR/Krastorio game and I'm very early in but I'm definitely finding it fun, tearing around in this ridiculous wee monowheel thing is great But woo boy is that starting pistol a bag of shite gat dang
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I too have just started an IR/Krastorio game. What's your approach to busses? Are you bussing plates and rods? Or ingots?
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Nalesh posted:Are there any mods yet that make enemies actually be interesting outside of a minor nuisance? Rampant or Bob's Enemies are the ones I see mentioned the most often.
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anchorite posted:I too have just started an IR/Krastorio game. What's your approach to busses? Are you bussing plates and rods? Or ingots? Some things still use ingots, so you'd have to bus all three. Plus I think rods are are 2:1 with ingots... I just stick to ingots, which means I probably have a lot of redundant assemblers down the line, but whatever. I guess if you were really good at planning ahead you could put items with similar ingredients around another sub-bus. I also couldn't get any sense of how many rods or plates and stuff I would want to bus anyway, so it's easier to go all ingot and worry about it later
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I got too sick of waiting for inserters to craft, borrowed some from elsewhere and cobbled something together to make them The motors and circuits can split off to share but first I need enough parts to actually make things. Once I get a mall base built I can clean up all these horrible growths.
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Does anybody have a link to the graphical tutorial on Factorio/OpenTTD signalling? It was drawn and mostly black-and-white and had happy trains 
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GotLag posted:Does anybody have a link to the graphical tutorial on Factorio/OpenTTD signalling? It was drawn and mostly black-and-white and had happy trains The second post here
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Freaksaus posted:The burner phase is just long enough to be interesting. You don't need a lot of production early on, so splitting belts 50/50 with coal everywhere is fine. You can also just handfeed your inserters/assemblers because the coal lasts quite a long time. Another nice thing is that the components are the exact same for all the ore types. You make plates and rods, which go into stuff like gear wheels or cable, these are the same for copper, tin, iron, gold, etc. Once you've made one of these setups you can just copy it for the next ingot. Handfeed? Nah 
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Sep 28, 2019 21:27
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I had fun figuring out how to automate burner-everything in IR, but then I lost interest when I got into the iron age and my standard solution for vanilla production of everything seemed to work perfectly there as well. Maybe things get more interesting with oil and beyond, though. 
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Is there some mechanic in the mod that makes having a single tile separating each belt make sense? Or are you just a monster? 
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I' m guessing to make room for expanding the bus later on
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Nth Doctor posted:Is there some mechanic in the mod that makes having a single tile separating each belt make sense? Or are you just a monster? You want some separation because it makes peeling off with a splitter easier. You (might) want less separation because it makes running around faster. (I usually go with three or four spaces.)
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It makes splitting off a little simpler, it lets you put down lamps in the middle with less work if you ever want to do that, it looks nicer in the map view, and I'm a monster. I did it without the spaces at first, and that does feel more pleasing.
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Just fuckin' lol if any of your initial bus layouts don't include two-belt pushes with two spaces between them to they can be upgraded to four belts as needed, and three empty spaces between each push to allow not just room for linked undergrounds to cross the bus but that third tile for running liquids or single-belt pushes for odd ingredients (red chips backwards to inserter/splitter assemblies, raw stone for rails, coal for plastics and explosives, etc).
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Just fuckin' lol if your layouts have any sort of recognizable structure.
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That's a thing of beauty.
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Those pumps and pipes.
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lmao if your busses don't look like this
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Dr. Stab posted:lmao if your busses don't look like this Good lord
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Arrath posted:Those pumps and pipes.  And this is the core. Everything purple is a consumer of water, everything green outputs water.  So i just said gently caress it and have a gigantic base-wide water pipe system and if it flags anywhere i just add more pumps until it does the thing. Most other liquids are also on singular base-wide systems.  Edit: I also have a huge patch where some tailing ponds overflowed and according to the mod developer this is flammable:  Dr. Stab posted:lmao if your busses don't look like this 
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Mithaldu posted:Edit:     
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That owns What mod is that? Just IR?
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Lemur Crisis posted:It makes splitting off a little simpler, it lets you put down lamps in the middle with less work if you ever want to do that, it looks nicer in the map view, and I'm a monster. I did it without the spaces at first, and that does feel more pleasing. I like the V pattern of the expanding bus but you should consider having columns of four belts with two spaces between rows. That way you can easily run underground belts across the bus.
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tak posted:That owns
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It doesn't look like much: But this is my first factory in years, and it took me a bit to get over the paralysis of "what do I build next?" My favorite part of this game has always been building little spaghetti factories, so forget the bus, that's what I'm doing. My other goal is to keep this small and proportionate, so everything roughly follows ratios -- in this case, I wanted just enough resources to saturate 1 assembler of each science.
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I'm about to start loving around with nuclear power stuff for the first time in vanilla since they added nukes to the base game, so I updated Reactor Interface to 0.17
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Solumin posted:It doesn't look like much: Even with a bus you still get to build spaghetti factories. If you start producing stuff off site and want to put it on the bus, you can end up with ridiculous braided belts to get there as you add things one at a time. Not to mention every actual build location is it's own beautiful disaster.
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I've been playing IR and building way too much poo poo without putting up adequate defenses. It took so long for any red to show up on the map (chose largest starting area and biters have a minimum of an hour between sending out settling parties) that I got complacent and now they're sending big biters/spitters. I actually reverted to an auto-save last night because I was trying to get rid of a nest to my south-west and they corpse camped me. It was my first time trying to go after them so I underestimated their power and I had a ton of stuff on my corpse  I have the explosives that create water tiles mod enabled, it's very tempting to moat myself or at least "wall" two of my four sides so I can focus on protecting the other two. They've started sending attack parties and destroying stuff before I can get to them. I really should have tweaked the evolution or something on map creation. Edit: That may also explain things- my play time on this save is 40:15:31. I didn't realize I'd been playing that long already
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Mr. Powers posted:Even with a bus you still get to build spaghetti factories. If you start producing stuff off site and want to put it on the bus, you can end up with ridiculous braided belts to get there as you add things one at a time. Not to mention every actual build location is it's own beautiful disaster. For me, the bus always leads to really orderly, well-spaced factories. I just can't spaghetti the bus at all. Go figure.
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Sep 29, 2019 19:59
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The trick to spaghetti is to give yourself not quite enough space to do things in an orderly fashion
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Nah the trick to spaghetti is just never picking things back up if it seems like your original concept of how to make it doesn't work. Just work around it and you'll end up with something glorious.
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Spaghetti starts at the edge of the bus where material feeds are being split, merged, and connected to the production installations, which are themselves slightly more orderly only because they need to be relatively straightforward to expand.
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Honestly in something like IR you're better off embracing the spaghetti in the early game, if you try to set up an orderly bus right from the outset you'll be running belt for days before you can even produce anything interesting.
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